PipeChat Digest #5083 - Friday, January 14, 2005
Re: Some brief thoughts on Praise Music
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Sorabji
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Returned email.
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>

(back) Subject: Re: Some brief thoughts on Praise Music From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:32:13 -0000   Well Nathan, don't think that you're the only one having problems with = the syncopation of Praise songs.   I find that 50 years sight-reading is insufficient practice to prepare = for some of the scoring of Praise material. It's probably that computer print-outs of midi play-through are to = blame, with every little anticipatory hemi-demi-semi-quaver (Colonial = types may require the assistance of a dictionary here) being accurately = and pedantically recorded. Impossible to play at sight.   You need to a) concentrate on the melody and how it fits the words b) = get the feel of the accompaniment style c) tear up the music and go with = the flow, developing the music with the input of your particular = performance style (make it your own) and some help from the Spirit.   "Go Jerry, Go Jerry ...." Ooooops, getting carried-away there following = last Saturday's broadcast (BBC 2)   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman surprised that "Jerry Springer - The Opera" hasn't = featured in Pipechat - but now it might ?]     -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nathan Smith=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Some brief thoughts on Praise Music     The Praise music, with more lively, syncopated, and humanized = rhythms and melodies (and no music), are a bit tougher for a first = timer.=20 =20 =20  
(back) Subject: Re: Sorabji From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 00:24:14 -0800   Hmmm   I first heard the O.C (Opus Clavicembalisticum) back in 1988...   I must confess that I have never made it through the whole 4+ hours in one sitting   Same for the Organ Symphony (a mere 2 hours)   HOWever.... I _did_ find recently that some of his less formal piano pieces were enjoyable to me.... Bear in mind, that is 17 years later after hearing Sorabji for the first time.   I reall should pull the recordings of the OC and the symphony out again when I have 7 hours to kill and see if my tastes have changed.... I didn't like Messiaen back then either, and I've slowly started to develop a taste for that.   I think the music is so complex that it is more rewarding for the player than the listener. I have gained a much deeper appreciation for music like this after tearing it apart and performing it than I had just in listening.   One thing's for sure - he wrote what he wanted to write, and HE was satisfied with it. Guess that counts for something   <chuckle>   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Choral and Organ Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Returned email. From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:39:58 +0800   I don't know what goes on here but twice I have had returned from pipechat =   an email on the grounds that it appears to contain an enclosure. There = was no enclosure intended and none that I can see. My post was regarding the current discussion on "praise songs" in church services.   I recently attended a service in a church where there was a praise band = led by a young soprano. Her voice was pleasant enough but she was amplified to =   the extent of pain in my ears and I got out after about 15 minutes. The young set can deafen themselves with loud music if they like but they can count me out!   Noise is not "praise" as far as I am concerned; I like loud organ music within reason, and play some myself but when it comes to the threshold of pain in a workshop the employer would be fined for exceeding the limit of permissible noise. Why is the restraint not put on popular music? = Sometimes I can hear cars approaching with the sound of drums before I can see the car. The sides of the vehicle are positively pulsing with the level of sound. Surely the occupant, almost always young, is either deaf already, hence the need for loud sound, or else will be before very long. Noise at that level should have no place in a church.   I read one post about the quality of the music in one church. I play frequently for Saturday evening mass in a Catholic Church. With some of = the praise songs used I have to think hard to get away from the idea that the song is a boy singing to his girl friend about love, and not a hymn to the =   risen Saviour. This cloying sentimentality does nothing for me. Bob Elms.       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 12/01/2005