PipeChat Digest #5087 - Saturday, January 15, 2005
 
RE: Amy and BJ Thomas
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Colin is bi-lingual!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Amy and BJ Thomas
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
RE: Illegitimacy of double-talk
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Colin is bi-lingual!
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Wurlitzer Pipes
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Legitimacy of word usage....
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: The American gnostic heresy
  by "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net>
Re: "Praise Songs" as heard by those who don't like them
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Illegitimacy of double-talk
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: "Praise Songs" as heard by those who don't like them
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Legitimacy of word usage....
  by "Young Organists Online" <youngorganistsonline@hotmail.com>
Re: Illegitimacy of double-talk
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
The truth about Alex
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
obscure durufle works
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Wurlitzer Pipes
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: The American gnostic heresy
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Harmonic flutes, Part II...
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Alex's departure
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Colin is bi-lingual!
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: *ADMIN POST* re: Tonal Styles
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "so much good renewal music"
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
you light up my eyes while waiting like a lover
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: more on 16' open wood and a Quint available
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: you light up my eyes while waiting like a lover
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Harmonic flutes, Part II...
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: the American gnostic heresy
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Amy and BJ Thomas From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:19:44 -0600   Maybe Neil does not agree with me regarding Amy Grant and B.J. Thomas because he likes them. But my comment had nothing to do with liking the artists - they're perfectly OK. I warned that my post was 'tongue in cheek', and I don't care whether anyone likes praise music or not - "have at it", as we say in the South. But don't call me a liar.     When Amy sang 'gospel', I remember clearly (because my husband was engineer, news director and announcer at a Christian radio station) an album she released that became very popular and helped catapult her to stardom. The only piece I remember the title presently is "Her Father's Eyes". Not one reference to God was in it, and that was the pattern of the rest of the selections on the album.     And B.J. did a piece called - darn, it's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't remember - something about "You gave me _______ (is it hope?) when nobody gave me a prayer." During that time period he did several songs of this genre - again no reference that would signify that it is peculiarly of the Christian genre. It could have passed for pop music, and I think it did in fact cross over.     My comment had nothing to do with the quality of the artist or the initial sincerity of their message. It had to do with the ambiguity of the message's meaning and intended audience. When the music crosses over (and I don't think it did by accident in either case - in fact, just the opposite) and becomes secular and love songs, it ceases to be a message for me. If it's OK for you, fine.     Disagree with my opinion all you like - I'm a lawyer, and can handle it. Point out tactfully my factual errors all you like - I take responsibility for them. But denigrating my integrity results in pistols at 10 paces. In that regard I am NOT the quintessential lawyer.     Glenda Sutton   gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Innkawgneeto@cs.com   In a message dated 1/13/2005 9:38:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:       Amy Grant made her name doing the same thing - no one could tell from listening to the stuff that it was praising God at all. I think the term used for them back then was "crossover artist".       This is not accurate. Amy Grant was a gospel artist before she entered the popular scene. She took a LOT of grief over that, but she stood her ground.   Whether you like her music or not is fine. But, make sure your facts are accurate.   As for BJ Thomas, I think his conversion was genuine, BUT, perhaps a bit like the "seed that grows on rocky ground". Nevertheless, when I saw him perform in 1979 or whatever, it was a very fine concert (I shall never forget his trumpet player conducting the band with his foot).        
(back) Subject: Colin is bi-lingual! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:27:08 -0500   At 08:06 PM 1/14/2005, Colin wrote: >But if Alex is allowed back, I promise I will fly out >from the UK and personally kick his ass if he starts >throwing insults about!   Ass? Arse!   Colin, - we have got to try to keep our American cousins correctly informed, - otherwise they will never learn! There is only one English language and we have to help teach it to them!   Bob Conway   For our American friends, an ass is a sort of donkey, which I think is = what Christ rode into Jerusalem. Bob Conway  
(back) Subject: Re: Amy and BJ Thomas From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:29:52 EST   AS this is highly off topic....   Amy Grant had MANY gospel hits, including "Sing Your Praise to the Lord".   My point was, merely, that in THIS case, the artist was a Christian artist =   BEFORE crossing over (unlike Herr. Thomas).   No denigratin intended.   Neil  
(back) Subject: RE: Illegitimacy of double-talk From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:35:01 -0600   I'm sorry to hear you are spreading scoliosis. I thought better of you.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message-----   From: TubaMagna@aol.com   Let us move on to other nescient paralogism, or at best, sciolism.        
(back) Subject: Re: Colin is bi-lingual! From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:38:26 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   My Brit-speak had gotten corrupted when I was young.   That was the penalty for having an American partner at the time. I love it, because I can drop in and out of it at will, and say what you will Bob, there is a directness and vitality in America-speak which is often lacking in the mother tongue.   I sure like it anyways.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell (offshore & off the wall)   --- Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > > Colin, - we have got to try to keep our American > cousins correctly > informed, - otherwise they will never learn! > There is only one English language and we have to > help teach it to them!       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250  
(back) Subject: Wurlitzer Pipes From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:48:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Hi List,=0D =0D Are there any resources on the net that list the specifications for th= e standard Wurlitzer theatre organ pipes? Just curious...=0D =0D - Nathan
(back) Subject: Re: Legitimacy of word usage.... From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:48:34 EST   Landon:   He'll probably be let back on a trial basis. Only time will tell the tale. I don't think he was that bad, but I don't think he suffers fools too well. Youth is like a jagged boulder as it slides off the mountain side. As it falls the jagged edges are smoothed out. In middle and old age that boulder gets smoother and smoother until it's nearly round like a pond stone.   Ron   PS There's hope for us all.    
(back) Subject: Re: The American gnostic heresy From: "Stan Yoder" <vze2myh5@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:50:18 -0500   >> The hymn is all about "just me and my Savior." The church has no role = to play in that hymn.     In short, equating "personal" with "private."   Stan Yoder Pittsburgh    
(back) Subject: Re: "Praise Songs" as heard by those who don't like them From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 17:56:30 -0800 (PST)   Harry,   Prove it! We need sources!   The Norton Anthology claims that Gibbons wrote the words.   As for alluding to the Stewart Monarchy, this is quite possible, for the Swan was known as a "Royal bird", and Henry IV of France had made the comment that King James was "the wisest fool in Christendom."   Of course, in my total ignorance, I believed it to be the work of Shakespeare for years!   However, that's not so daft as one might think, for Shakespeare was known as "The Swan of Stratford" and did have an address in Silver Street somewhere near the Globe Theatre in London! (How's that for grasping at straws?)   Of course, this is utterly and totally off-topic! Nothing to do with organs at all!   So I'll end with a bit of Shakespeare:-   'I am the cygnet to this pale, frail swan, who chants a doleful hymn to his own death, And from the ORGAN PIPE of frailty sings, his soul and body to their lasting rest'   Phew! Back on topic!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           --- Harry Grove <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> wrote:     > > Wasn't not Orlando - the less than funky Gibbon - to > whom we owe this trendy > little ditty. > > And wasn't not composed as the classical euphamism > for the dour, uncouth, > ill-mannered and rank Scotish courtiers of James VI > - by then King James > 1st. of     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Illegitimacy of double-talk From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:57:20 EST   Alas, Glenda,   I am no linguistic thaumaturge, but rather an ingravescently = lexiphanic comiconomenclaturist.   That having been said, Ize gots to make sum din-dins, cuz Ize hungry. Maybe then I can get back to talking about organs.   Seb  
(back) Subject: Re: "Praise Songs" as heard by those who don't like them From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:58:42 -0600   I have a hearing problem and the way praise songs are performed they are TOO BLOODY LOUD for me.   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: Legitimacy of word usage.... From: "Young Organists Online" <youngorganistsonline@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:59:05 -0600   Exactly Ron,   He's no a bad person, that's what I've been trying to explain to Keith, = Seb, and David..... Just because he started out rough at DIYAPASON doesn't give =   David any reason not to forgive him or atleast not react so quickly, what = he said, I believe it was something about "nobody appreciates a smartallic" = is nothing compared to what other people have done on other lists I've been = on before.... He thinks very highly of you Ron, and your stances on Roman Catholic Music and liturgy....   Landon   >From: RonSeverin@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Re: Legitimacy of word usage.... >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:48:34 EST > >Landon: > >He'll probably be let back on a trial basis. Only time will tell the >tale. I don't think he was that bad, but I don't think he suffers fools >too well. Youth is like a jagged boulder as it slides off the mountain >side. As it falls the jagged edges are smoothed out. In middle and >old age that boulder gets smoother and smoother until it's nearly >round like a pond stone. > >Ron > >PS There's hope for us all. > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >   _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! =   http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: Illegitimacy of double-talk From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 18:00:46 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I thought you still were talking about organs Sebastian!!!!!!!!!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:     > > I am no linguistic thaumaturge, but rather an > ingravescently lexiphanic > comiconomenclaturist. > > That having been said, Ize gots to make sum > din-dins, cuz Ize hungry. > Maybe then I can get back to talking about organs.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: The truth about Alex From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:10:06 EST   Mr. Hendrickson's image would be less tarnished if he did not spread libel =   and slander about me, including re-posts of anti-Semitic tirades by Steve Bournias, on the internet.   Let's move on.  
(back) Subject: obscure durufle works From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:14:11 EST   is anyone familiar with three of durufle's very obscure works --   1. tryptique for piano, op. 1   2. chant donne (hommage to jean gallon)   3. meditation   i'm trying to find a source for the scores of these works. can anyone = help??   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Wurlitzer Pipes From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:49:14 EST   All you ever wanted to know about WurliTzers. _Click here: WurliTzer Opus List_ (http://theatreorgans.com/au/opus/)    
(back) Subject: Re: The American gnostic heresy From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:55:11 -0500   Yes, that's it.   Randy Runyon     On Jan 14, 2005, at 8:50 PM, Stan Yoder wrote:   >>> The hymn is all about "just me and my Savior." The church has no >>> role to play in that hymn. > > > In short, equating "personal" with "private." > > Stan Yoder > Pittsburgh > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: RE: Harmonic flutes, Part II... From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:02:59 +1300   >My understanding of harmonic anythings is that they prominently sound = the=20 second harmonic.=20   A harmonic open pipe will speak its 2nd harmonic, the octave. A stopped harmonic pipe will speak its 3rd harmonic, i.e. the twelfth.   >The 4' HF on the M=F6ller was at 4' length, so I'm not sure=20 what the encyclopedia is talking about. (To me, it is saying a 4' HF = should=20 be 8' in length, but in my experience, this has not been the case.)   This is easy to sort out. Because of the vast cost of materials and soundboard space, it is almost always the case that a 4ft harmonic flute will be of ordinary pipes from bottom B down. An 8ft is usually of = ordinary pipes from TenB down to TenC, and then often of stopped pipes from there = to bottom C. So, looking at the rank, you'll often see that an 8ft Harmonic Flute's bottom pipe is actually only 4ft long, whereas you might think = it should be 16ft! In your example of a 4ft Moller, without having seen a Moller organ in my life I'm prepared to say that it is about 99% likely = that its bottom octave is of non-harmonic type.=20   Ross       --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Alex's departure From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:37:17 +1300   Here is my first comment on Alex.   For my part, I think Alex needs to grow up a lot before he can take a = place on this List here. We've already wasted far too much time discussing the pros and cons, and he certainly needed to be tossed off that other List. Apart from his rudeness, his extraordinarily juvenile arrogance left me wondering how long he would last. If he is allowed back here, I would dare predict he wouldn't last long.   Just my 2c worth.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: Colin is bi-lingual! From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:41:13 +1300     >Ass? Arse!   >Colin, - we have got to try to keep our American cousins correctly informed, - >otherwise they will never learn! >There is only one English language and we have to help teach it to them!   Bob, I agree with you wholeheatedly (a new word to me that I'm borrowing from a posting the other day).   Ass =3D donkey Arse =3D bum   In "proper" English, the words are not only spelt differently, but are pronounced differently as well. The difference in meaning is clear.   :-) ;-) :-() & any other suitable expressions..........................   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: *ADMIN POST* re: Tonal Styles From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:56:17 +0000   On 1/13/05 7:32 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > Aw shucks! >=20 > Just when I had gone into killer mode! >=20 > Colin Mitchell UK >=20 Well, yeah. I=B9m sorry that I=B9ve been SO busy (but his tenure was so deservedly SHORT!) that I could not warn the Owners (and the rest of us); I know this kid from another list (where he was tossed out after about three weeks). =20   Now it=B9s too late. I haven=B9t the faintest argument with Tim=B9s and David=B9s action=8Bonly regret that I didn=B9t warn them sooner, when he first popped up here.   He=B9s 15, about three months younger than Jarle Fagerheim--but of a TOTALLY different personality, OBVIOUSLY. Alex is the rudest person I=B9ve seen on ANY list (and I=B9ve been to =B3you know where=B2). I=B9ve tried, personally, to counsel Alex. He is IMPERVIOUS to advice. As you=B9ve witnessed, he is totally NASTY. =20   Personally, I like the kid (he serves two small-town RC parishes in souther= n Illinois=8Bhis home parish for zero, the other one for $20 per week. He=B9s go= t his frustrations).=20   He and I remain friends. I genuinely DO like him, and would LOVE to shape him up. But a =B3group situation=B2 is not for him. (He=B9s home-schooled, and = I have my suspicions as to why.)   Lest you wonder: There=B9s a LOT more to this kid than you think. He=B9s BUILDING his own pipe organ (I=B9ve seen the photos) at home. He=B9s NOT an idiot. Just not socially adjusted yet. I=B9ll dig up his URL tomorrow or so= , so you can see his stuff in extenso, if you=B9d care to.   Tough case. =20   Alan            
(back) Subject: Re: "so much good renewal music" From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:24:50 EST   >OK Maybe the word "renewal" music is not correct. Let's say "fresh" Music =   that enriches >worship and may assist in diversifying styles and promote a =   worship setting to where there >might be retention.   >Check out the music of Mr. Glenn Burleigh www.glenmusik.com   I think that Glenn Burliegh would be happy that we are talking about his music on here, however I think that he would be offended that his music is = being classified as "renewal." It is far from that, being in the Gospel vein = with Classical undergirding. Glenn, although he is Baptist, regularly attends = an Episcopal church in Oklahoma City, OK, where he lives. He attends that = church because of the liturgy, the traditional music AND the pipe organ. Glenn is trained as a classical pianist and uses his knowledge of = classical structure and form melded with the gospel genre to come up with a = traditional style of Gospel music that appeals to those who want some Gospel music = with deeper substance. Gospel doesn't always just mean "jumpin' and jivin' for = Jesus."   The same holds true of the music of Diane White. I was working on my Bachelor's degree at the University of California, Santa Barbara, while = she was working on her graduate degree in composition. She is a contemporary = composer specialzing in atonal and 12 tone works, but then she can turn around and = belt out a Gospel song like nobody's business.   There are a handful of these musicians out there who are writing music for =   the contemporary church, but it's not "praise" music or "renewal" music. = These musicians are classically trained but work or were raised in evangelical churches and travel in both circles because they can speak both languages. = There are VERY few of us who can do this and do it well. Most people out there only do one style of music and get scared of the = other genre, but there is no reason that the two can't co-exist peacefully.   Regarding the conference at my church, it was in no way a "renewal" music conference, nor was it meant to be. None of the music there was "praise" = music. We sang traditional anthems, hymn based anthems, and gospel anthems. What = we taught was how to blend old and new styles together because some people = there had not ever experienced anything traditional and had never even seen or heard a pipe organ before. We introduced them to hymn singing. To some = of the "traditionalists," we introduced them to some gospel music that they had = never sung before.   For the final worship service, I played the Jongen "Choral" for the organ prelude. I'm not sure how much more traditional I could have gotten.   For this year's conference, Andre' Thomas and Rodney Eichenberger will be clinicians. I don't think that renewal music is on their agenda.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: you light up my eyes while waiting like a lover From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:12:14 -0800 (PST)   One of the songs that just curdled my liturgical blood was Debby Boone's = rendition of "You Light Up My Eyes." The song reads like any angst-filled = teen song about the depth of love for the loved one. When I heard on an = interview that she sang this as a love song to Jesus I about lost whatever = religion I had left. To say to Jesus that "it can't be wrong when it = feels so right" is to me the height of insulting Jesus by reducing him to = the status of a prospective lover (and I am not speaking of the higher = form of god-love either!). That's for what it's worth from my = perspective. I also took issue with a line from one of the hymns = published in Glory and Praise 2, "Here I Am." In this piece, Jesus is = presented as "Here I am, waiting like a lover." I'm sorry, but I am = totally unable to sing that with much of a straight face, even though the = rest of the song is really very effective. I simply don't want Jesus or = God or the Holy Spirit to be my buddy; I want them to be capable of saving me from my depravity and lifting me to much higher realms of = spiritual experience than just being my "lover" or living in a spiritual = relationship that is characterized as "it can't be wrong when it feels so = right." So there! Keeping this on a reasonably organ-centered thread, anyone know = any organ pieces based on "Here I Am"? Who knows but I may write one = myself. It's really a nice tune, very singable, and other than the = offending word, it's a great piece of music. Richard Hazelip       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: more on 16' open wood and a Quint available From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:15:22 -0500   Given that, I'd say free would be a good, fair price. Andy   On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:10:42 -0800, John Vanderlee wrote > Hello Pipechatters, > > Yesterday I inspected the 16' open wood mentioned earlier. Sadly it > was damaged by water infiltration. Although much of it appears > salvageable ( some pipes now in "kit" form) and many of the 32 notes > are ok.     A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: you light up my eyes while waiting like a lover From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:18:22 -0500     On Jan 15, 2005, at 12:12 AM, Richard Hazelip wrote:   > =A0 I also took issue with a line from one of the hymns published in=20=   > Glory and Praise 2, "Here I Am."=A0   That's not the same as Dan Schutte's hymn "Here I Am, Lord," is it?   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: Re: Harmonic flutes, Part II... From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:08:36 -0500   > says the pipes are double-length. The 4' HF on the M=F6ller was at 4' > length, so I'm not sure what the encyclopedia is talking about. (To > me, it is saying a 4' HF should be 8' in length, but in my > experience, this has not been the case.) > That's cuz the bottom octave was not harmonic to save space and money. = This is very common... in fact I've never seen otherwise. The bottom octave = was probably single-length open flutes. If it was an 8' stop, there very possibly might have been an octave of stopped flutes, then an octave of = open flutes, and then 3 octaves of harmonic. Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: the American gnostic heresy From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:11:07 EST     Regarding "In the Garden," I always thought of that refrain as -- "He = walks with me, and he talks with me, and he tells me that I am insane!" Though = it was one of the requests, my own father threatened to boycott a = presentation I did on hymn improvisations at the Presbyterian Home (where he is a = resident) if that drivel was played! For what it's worth! Steve in Skokie Steven Weyand Folkers