PipeChat Digest #5088 - Saturday, January 15, 2005
Re: "so much good renewal music"
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: "so much good...funny mispellings"
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Colin is bi-lingual!
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Questions given on Enrichment Music
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Amy Grant and B.J. Thomas
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
RE: "so much good...funny mispellings"
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Legitimacy of word usage....
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Amy and BJ Thomas (off-topic but on-thread)
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>

(back) Subject: Re: "so much good renewal music" From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:30:14 -0800 (PST)     RMB10@aol.com wrote: There are a handful of these musicians out there who are writing music for =   the contemporary church, but it's not "praise" music or "renewal" music. TDH lends: Disclaimer: As I said in a post after a question from another lister >>>OK Maybe the word "renewal" music is not correct. Let's say "fresh" = Music that enriches worship and may assist in diversifying styles and promote a worship setting to where there might be retention. When I uses the term "renewal" I am referring to anything that is given to = Sacred Music with a goal of freshening worsheping today's worship style. = So, I will from now on, use "fresh music", since "renewal" seems to only = be appropriate for items such as Maranatha Music, and other manufactured = Sacred Music. Hey...that's why I'm here: To learn and discuss among = colleagues about various issues in our field. A "mea culpa" is sent for = poor usage of a word. The primary reason for discussing this music was to say that it offers = very tasteful resources for enriching worship music in church today. My = mentor, the late James Dale Holloway, always told us to whom he was a = mentor, that if we offered the best of the new resources available in = Sacred Music, there probably would not be such wide spread of manufactured = music. He often encouraged us to look for the "classy" ways to enrich = Sacred Music. Maybe if pastors and congregations were to hear that = "classy" music by such composers, they might have a fresh idea for things. = Knowing what is available, IMHO, is what makes things happen. If the = people who want to "renew" worship know of more tasteful forms of music = out there, them maybe they would not be so quick to go grab the latest = Maranatha Hits book.       From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
(back) Subject: Re: "so much good...funny mispellings" From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:44:19 -0800 (PST)   Mea culpa for mispellings! Its Frid...no...Saturday at 2 AM after a long nap with displaced eye = makeup, and posting to the list. All in goodness TDH       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
(back) Subject: Re: Colin is bi-lingual! From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:46:21 +0800   So many ways to go on this...   ARSE: Americans for a Responsible Sanitary Experience in the Outdoors   ARSE: [syn: buttocks, nates, butt, backside, bum, buns, can, fundament, hin= dquarters, hind end, keister, posterior, prat, rear, rear end, rump, stern,= seat, tail, tail end, tooshie, tush, bottom, behind, derriere, fanny, a**]   And of course...   Numbers 22: 28 Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, What ha= ve I done to you to make you beat me these three times? 29 Balaam answered the donkey, You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword= in my hand, I would kill you right now. 30 The donkey said to Balaam, Am I not your own donkey, which you have alwa= ys ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you? No, = he said.   (NIV-UK) <-- must use English English, don't you know.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Colin is bi-lingual! Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:27:08 -0500   > At 08:06 PM 1/14/2005, Colin wrote: > > But if Alex is allowed back, I promise I will fly out > > from the UK and personally kick his ass if he starts > > throwing insults about! >=20 > Ass? Arse! >=20 > Colin, - we have got to try to keep our American cousins correctly=20 > informed, - otherwise they will never learn! > There is only one English language and we have to help teach it to them! >=20 > Bob Conway >=20 > For our American friends, an ass is a sort of donkey, which I think=20 > is what Christ rode into Jerusalem. > Bob Conway       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Questions given on Enrichment Music From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:59:17 -0800 (PST)   Colleagues: Why do you think that pastors quickly choose "renewal/CCM" before = exploring deeper the possibilities for enriching Sacred Music in their = situations? (Of course, I already know what some of the answers to this) Do you think that if they are exposed to other resources and were to dig = deeper, there might be changes of heart? What ways do you think we as Sacred Musicians can expose them and = ourselves to tasteful enrichment music?   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Amy Grant and B.J. Thomas From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 02:09:19 -0600   Just checked the pieces mentioned by Glenda (yes, I admit to having them both). "You Gave Me Love," recorded by B.J. Thomas, has explicit = references to Jesus and Savior as the one to whom the "you" refers, so I'd call that Christian in content.   To my surprise, "My Father's Eyes" doesn't have any explicit reference to God! But I'd think it is implicitly Christian--it does make reference to "on that day when we will pay for all the deeds we have done," and = "Father" is capitalized uniformly.   The music book I have has selections from two of Amy Grant's albums, and I don't know which selections are from which, but it includes "Faith Walkin' People," "Old Man's Rubble," and "Mountain Top," all of which are clearly Christian--oh, yes, there is also "O Sacred Head Now Wounded," which many would grant contains a bit of Christian content.   But I would concede the general point Glenda made.........quite a few of = the songs could be sung as love songs to Christ or to your "significant" = other. OTOH, that's not terribly new in the history of Christianity either. Some of the medieval mystics were quite open in comparing their relationship with Christ in physical, perhaps even sexual, terms. And, I believe that the vows that nuns take "marry" them to Christ.   BTW, Glenda, did you know that Amy Grant's original background was the a capella Church of Christ!   I was a campus minister at the time many of these songs were recorded, and = I can testify that many of our students found them moving and worshipful at the time. Sophisticated? Not really. Fine doctrinal theology? Of course not. But perhaps they have their place.   We can knock "In the Garden" all we want, but it is a BELOVED hymn of = many; around here, it is used at more funerals than any other piece.   While we have a certain responsibility to educate people and lift their minds and hearts to "better music," I still say that the style of music is completely cultural. Your children may want praise choruses and you may want Gregorian chant and your grandparents may want Fanny Crosby (a professional organist, btw!). You are musicians; in the church, it is = your duty and privilege to offer your very best in helping the people in your congregation to worship; if that involves Bach chorales, great. If it involves contemporary ditties, then you'd better figure out how to do it = or find another position. The church's role is to say, with the apostle = Paul, "I become all things to all people that I might by all means win a few." = It is not the role of the church to uphold Victorian church music or any particular FORM of music; that is culture, not divine information on the back of the stone tablets Moses brought down from the mountain.   Here endeth the sermon! ;>)   Dennis Steckley Pastor and Amateur Organist who wishes his congregation wanted a Pipe = Organ!    
(back) Subject: RE: "so much good...funny mispellings" From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:25:17 +1300   >Mea culpa for mispellings!   Or would that be "misspellings"? If not, could you tell us what the = opposite of a "mispelling" would be - perhaps a "pelling"?   :-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Legitimacy of word usage.... From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 03:49:52 -0600   When Landon writes:   > Just because A. H. started out rough at DIYAPASON doesn't give David > any reason not to forgive him or atleast not react so quickly,   I agree. But the fact that A.H. started out exactly the same way on for other lists to which I subscribe, and was publicly banned from all but one [the one that didn't publicly ban him was PIPORG-L, but his posts stopped apearing after about two days] IS reason to act so quickly.   ns  
(back) Subject: Re: Amy and BJ Thomas (off-topic but on-thread) From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:58:41 -0500   On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:29:52 EST, Innkawgneeto wrote > AS this is highly off topic.... > > Amy Grant had MANY gospel hits, including "Sing Your Praise to the = Lord".   This song was written by Rich Mullins for Amy Grant. Rich Mullins later = did it himself, and his version now seems better known, though many think = Grant wrote it. Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com