PipeChat Digest #5093 - Monday, January 17, 2005
 
Re: Congratulations!
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
Re: Bach sheet music
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5092 - 01/16/05
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Bach sheet music
  by "bnorth" <bnorth@intergate.ca>
Re: Sacred Musician or What?
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: *ADMIN POST* re: Tonal Styles
  by "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Evaluating Church Organists
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Evaluating Church Organists
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Evaluating Church Organists-SPY!!
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Evaluating Church Organists
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Techno Widor Toccata
  by "Carolyn Carrier" <unencumbered@gmail.com>
Re: Sacred Musician or What?
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Bach sheet music
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Evaluating Church Organists
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Austria
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
RE: Austria
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Congratulations! From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:48:27 -0800 (PST)   Thanks to both of you!!!!!!!! But, I couldnt have done it without all of = Scott's help. Thanks so much. You're a great teacher!!!!!!!!!!! ~Bernadette   Scott Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> wrote: Alicia beat me to it! Crangrats Bernadette!   Alicia Zeilenga <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> wrote: Congratulations to = list member Bernadette Wagner, student of list member Scott Mongomery, on placing first in a competition for young organists sponsored by the Fox Valley AGO chapter yesterday.   Bernadette played Nun bitten Wir by Dietrich Buxtehude and Allegro Maestoso e Vivace from Sonata II by Felix Mendelssohn.   Alicia Zeilenga       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:         Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page =96 Try My Yahoo!
(back) Subject: Re: Bach sheet music From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:07:34 -0500   Hello Dr. Amy, You can download for free either a PDF or GIF file of the Fugue at the following link: http://www.musicaviva.com/organ/list.tpl?phrase=3DBach&mode=3Dws   It is number 9 in the list. Good Luck Mike   Dr. Amy Fleming wrote:   > I thought there was a site with downloadable (free) organ sheet music = of >the works of JSBach. I have searched but cannot find. My daughter wants = to >play "Little Fugue in G Minor". Not that she will be able to play it = very >well but I think she should at least practice music that she enjoys and = she >can only help but get better. Thanks, Amy > > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5092 - 01/16/05 From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:17:25 EST   Dear Dom, If you're in doubt, I'd suggest using Hyfrydol -- same meter, and a well-known tune, at least in the parish for which I work -- most of our = parishioners are very familiar with that tune coupled with the text Alleluia! Sing to Jesus. The use of Austria (a marvelous, inspiring tune, in my opinion, = and one of my favorites) is problematic here in Skokie, the town is about half = Jewish, with probably the greatest number of Holocaust survivors in the Chicago area. Personally, I feel that avoiding the tune Austria is tantamount to = giving a victory to the enemy, but we don't use it out of sensitivity for our = larger community. Yours in Christ, Steve Steven Weyand Folkers St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL  
(back) Subject: Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:40:12 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   =0D Hi List,=0D =0D We have a similar situation at our Church, where we have seven floor tiles in our 1890's building that have Northern-Germanic Crosses on them (along with countless other styles of crosses on other tiles). Needless = to say, they are quite similar to the swastika, with the exception that they appear to rotate in the opposite direction. I don't doubt that a Christi= an symbol was one of the most powerful the nazis could have used, which must have been their motivation for hijacking it.=0D =0D The lesser known story is that Italian immigrants were evidently hated = in and around Ansonia at the time our Church was built, and it just so happe= ns that our beautiful mosaic floor in the chancel was built by Italian immigrants to give them work.=0D =0D On a lighter note, there have only been two pipe organs in the history = of our Church, the Hutchings which was made for the new building, and a 2m H= ook which lived in the old building not too far away. I am happy to say tha= t both are still extant, and with the exception of the electrification of t= he tube-pneumatic Hutchings, both are unchanged. The Hook (opus 666, eek!) = is alive and well at another Church, I think it is in Quaker Farms, CT.=0D =0D - Nate
(back) Subject: Re: Bach sheet music From: "bnorth" <bnorth@intergate.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:15:21 -0800   The person who had the site, shut it down because of possible copywrite problems. I had the site bookmarked, but hadn't been there for a while, so =   it was a surprise to me as well. Good lucking find what you need.     Subject: Bach sheet music     > I thought there was a site with downloadable (free) organ sheet music = of > the works of JSBach. I have searched but cannot find. My daughter wants =   > to > play "Little Fugue in G Minor". Not that she will be able to play it = very > well but I think she should at least practice music that she enjoys and > she > can only help but get better. Thanks, Amy > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Sacred Musician or What? From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:15:49 EST   Dear Jon, I would describe my concentration as sacred music, but I think I would be =   rather embarrassed to be called a sacred musician. What I do and what I = play may be sacred (set apart from the every day for the glory of God -- see a =   previous post of mine) but I would blush several shades of red at being = called sacred! Director of Music is my official title, though I'm sometimes = called organist choirmaster. My experience at Northwestern University in the = early 1980s was a far greater concentration on organ literature better suited = to the recital stage than the church service. I can play a recital, but don't really feel at ease there or called to do so. I do feel a calling to = play church services, and have evidently developed some ability in this pursuit, as = I've been in my current position for over 16 years. So I'm not a sacred = musician, but rather a musician who plays, directs, writes, and arranges sacred = music. Just my opinion regarding my experience and my position. Steve Steven Weyand Folkers St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL    
(back) Subject: Re: *ADMIN POST* re: Tonal Styles From: "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 21:29:18 -0600   MY reply to this is below:::   -----Original Message----- From: "Young Organists Online" <youngorganistsonline@hotmail.com>   > doesn't have any organ at all to practice on sufficient for organ > repertiore. I've seen both of the organs he plays on every week, and > let me > tell you, they are not good enough even for Bach's Little Prelude and > Fugue > book, it's two little old analog Baldwin church organs with only 4 > channels > of audio and borrowing everywhere, I mean come on, he doesn't even have > anything to practice on. >   I have played many a "little old analog Baldwin church organ" most with only 1 or 2 channels quite comfortably playing the works of J. S. Bach et al. The trick is to use selective registration -   Also -- I have in my possession a recording by no less than Virgil Fox on one of those 4 channel Baldwin analog organs with the works of I believe (record at home, I'm at work) Bach, Boellman, Franck and others.   Not having a decent instrument to practice on is pure tripe.   My .02 worth   Tom Hoehn, Clearwater, Florida      
(back) Subject: Evaluating Church Organists From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:42 EST   OK, here's the situation. I play in a professional regional orchestra in another state. For concert weekends, I make one trip there and stay all = weekend. The pastor of the church I attend when in that city has asked me to write = a brief review/evaluation of their current organist since I'm relatively uninvolved in that congregation, and he thinks that the person in the = congregation who is 'responsible' for doing this has their own agenda. (The pastor is = also a very steady audience member of the the orchestra, and we have long conversations about the concerts and the music).   I've heard this organist play several times and have no doubt that they = have a competent and able organist. However, I'm not sure exactly what = criteria should be used to evaluate them. Does anyone have a list or suggestions = of things I should focus on, such as technique, choice of music, ability to = both lead and accompany congregational singing, 'timing' (for lack of a better word) = of congregational responces, etc. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.   Thanx in advance,   Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: Re: Evaluating Church Organists From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:36:42 EST   Richard:   I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. I just don't like the sound of this situation. Don't get involved.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: Evaluating Church Organists-SPY!! From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:50:50 EST     In a message dated 1/16/05 9:48:17 PM, ContraReed@aol.com writes:     > OK, here's the situation.=A0 I play in a professional regional orchestra i= n > another state.=A0 For concert weekends, I make one trip there and stay all= =20 > weekend. > The pastor of the church I attend when in that city has asked me to write=20= a > brief review/evaluation of their current organist since I'm relatively > uninvolved in that congregation, and he thinks that the person in the=20 > congregation > who is 'responsible' for doing this has their own agenda.=A0 (The pastor i= s=20 > also a > very steady audience member of the the orchestra, and we have long > conversations about the concerts and the music). >=20 > I've heard this organist play several times and have no doubt that they ha= ve > a competent and able organist.=A0 However, I'm not sure exactly what crite= ria > should be used to evaluate them.=A0 Does anyone have a list or suggestions= of > things I should focus on, such as technique, choice of music, ability to=20 > both lead > and accompany congregational singing, 'timing' (for lack of a better word)= =20 > of > congregational responces, etc.=A0 Any thoughts would be greatly appreciate= d. >=20 > Thanx in advance, >=20 > Richard Spittel >=20   Richard- That sounds like a terrible situiation to be in. Why is the organist being= =20 spied on!?!?!?!?!?!?? What are his qualifications? Did he do something=20 wrong?!?!?!?!? If he shows up for work on time, people are singing the hym= ns, and=20 his solo music is enjoyable-leave him ALONE-you've got NO business picking=20 some organist apart for a sneaky pastor or an unthankful church that is prob= ably=20 underpaying and abusing this poor organist. Now if the person in the=20 congregation who is supposed to be writing a review is trying to cut down th= e organist=20 for personal reasons etc...it is your duty as a human being to give that=20 organist a good review. If a church ever put me in your position-I would d= ecline=20 to write the "review"-call the organist to warn him, and NEVER return. Som= e=20 pastor...some church. gfc p.s. I do realize that I did assume that the organist was not at fault-and do=20 realize that there is a small chance that he actually deserves this--well, h= mm,=20 about a 3 percent chance.         Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Evaluating Church Organists From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:43:59 -0500   Richard 'et al',   Somehow, deep inside me, I smell something fishy in this situation. What ever you do, you would be interfering in some-one else's affairs.   For what it is worth, I would leave this one alone, and let the church, pastor, congregation, who-ever, do their own dirty work. You really have no idea of the situation, or the motives of the participants, you are not there often enough to be able to see if there is anything behind all this.   I would decline to do such a review / evaluation.   Bob Conway   At 10:46 PM 1/16/2005, you wrote: >OK, here's the situation. I play in a professional regional orchestra in >another state. For concert weekends, I make one trip there and stay all >weekend. > The pastor of the church I attend when in that city has asked me to = write a >brief review/evaluation of their current organist since I'm relatively >uninvolved in that congregation, and he thinks that the person in the >congregation >who is 'responsible' for doing this has their own agenda. (The pastor is =   >also a >very steady audience member of the the orchestra, and we have long >conversations about the concerts and the music). > >I've heard this organist play several times and have no doubt that they = have >a competent and able organist. However, I'm not sure exactly what = criteria >should be used to evaluate them. Does anyone have a list or suggestions = of >things I should focus on, such as technique, choice of music, ability to >both lead >and accompany congregational singing, 'timing' (for lack of a better = word) of >congregational responces, etc. Any thoughts would be greatly = appreciated. > >Thanx in advance, > >Richard Spittel > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Techno Widor Toccata From: "Carolyn Carrier" <unencumbered@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:27:31 -0500   Hi, there! New to the list. :)   I'm sending this plea out to you all, because I figured if anybody knew where I could find this, it would be hardcore organ fans. Once upon a time, when Audiogalaxy was in its prime, I mistakenly downloaded a techno remix of Widor's Toccata in F when I was looking for the real thing...I've had my hard drive replaced since then, so I no longer have the file, but I have an organist friend whose birthday is coming up soon and would get a real kick out of it. Does anybody know where I can find this remix, preferably on a CD?   Thanks for any and all help, Carolyn  
(back) Subject: Re: Sacred Musician or What? From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:32:53 -0600   Jon,   Interesting question! My primary role as a musician is as teacher and performer, but for most of my life I have served the church (demoninations =   ranging from RC to Christian Scientist to Methodist) as an organist, choir =   director, cantor .... many different roles. For me, I think the term "Pastoral Musician" would apply. I view what I do as being a part of the overall pastoral mission of my employer. The music is Sacred, in that it celebrates the Glory of God. The job is a form of ministry.   My $.02   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: <jonkroepel@insightbb.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Sacred Musician or What?     > In recent posts, a certain individual has made the claim to be a sacred > musician. I guess my question is, how many of you consider yourself to = be > soley a sacred musician, or do you consider yourself to be something = else? > I have two degrees in organ performance, and neither I would consider to =   > have > anything to with sacred music as it appears today. Sure, a lot of the > music > was composed for the church, but there is a great which was composed for =   > the > concert arena. > > Because other friends on this list are organ builders, composers, and > concert > artists, and since l am just a lurker on this list, I would like to get =   > to > know people and how they refer to themselves. > > Enjoy this wonderful Winter afternoon. > > > > Jon Kroepel > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach sheet music From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:53:26 -0600   Amy,   Try = http://site.ebrary.com/lib/byronhoyt/Top?id=3D10013428&layout=3Ddocument . =   Free PDF file.   Cheers,   Tim   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Bach sheet music     > I thought there was a site with downloadable (free) organ sheet music = of > the works of JSBach. I have searched but cannot find. My daughter wants =   > to > play "Little Fugue in G Minor". Not that she will be able to play it = very > well but I think she should at least practice music that she enjoys and > she > can only help but get better. Thanks, Amy > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:33:49 EST   "Austria" is indeed the work of F. J. Haydn. Before it was the anthem of Germany, it was the K.u K. Kaiserhymne of Austria with the words = (translated) God Save Our Emperor. ("God save and protect our Emperor, our King, Our = Land"). It refered to Austria-Hungary (after the "ausgleich" of the 1860's) and not = to "Germany". The current "national anthem" of modern Austria is a tune by = Mozart, though the Kaiserhymne was sung at the Kaiserin Zita's funeral in the Stephansdom in 1989, the last state funeral for a Hapsburg Emperess. I = enjoyed seeing that on television while living in Austria.   The "German" appropriation of the "Kaiserhymne" was most inappropriate. It =   was always an Austrian tune.   This morning, on the way to church, I heard an interesting history of = Courts Martial. Apparently, during the Great War, the British shot 300+ at dawn: = the Germans--47.   Let's get our history straight.   Cheers, Bill H. Boston.    
(back) Subject: Re: Evaluating Church Organists From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 03:04:44 EST   Richard,   Stay out of that. Stay far away from it. Passing judgment will bite you in =   the rear portion of your physical being.   Cheers, Bill H. SJE Boston  
(back) Subject: Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:26:47 -0000   "It is claimed that the Mound Builders and Cliff Dwellers of Mexico, = Central America consider "The Swastika"=20 a charm to drive away evil and bring good luck, long life and prosperity = to the possessor." =20 'It should be noted that this text is not entirely accurate:=20 The Mound Builders inhabited the Ohio River Valley and the Cliff = Dwellers lived in the Southwestern United States;=20 however, both did use the swastika, as did the Mayas of Mexico.=20 Furthermore, although the swastika may look like four "L's" to one who = uses the Roman alphabet,=20 in Greek it forms four Gammas ("G's"),=20 in Hebrew it can be seen as four Daleths ("D's"),=20 and among the non-literate people of North America, it corresponded to = no letters at all.=20 Thus the ascription of Luck, Light, Love, and Life to the amulet is = simply an English mnemonic.'   -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------   Apologies for being off-music-topic   -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman who looked for an appropriate quote, and came up with = this ...   Music and dancing (the more the pity) have become so closely associated = with ideas of riot and debauchery among the less cultivated classes, = that a taste for them, for their own sakes, can hardly be said to exist.   Sir John Herschel=20     ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nathan Smith=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 2:40 AM Subject: Re: Haydn's "Austria," first, then, and now   [snip] We have a similar situation at our Church, where we have seven = floor tiles in our 1890's building that have Northern-Germanic Crosses = on them (along with countless other styles of crosses on other tiles). = Needless to say, they are quite similar to the swastika, with the = exception that they appear to rotate in the opposite direction. I don't = doubt that a Christian symbol was one of the most powerful the nazis = could have used, which must have been their motivation for hijacking it.   =20 =20 =20  
(back) Subject: Re: Austria From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:06:04 -0000   Which reminds me, the day WW II broke out in 1939 the preacher at our Methodist church in Bradford picked 'Glorious things of Thee are spoken' - =   always then sung to 'Austria' - nowadays 'Abbots Leigh' is more usual.   The organist (not me) said in a loud voice 'no way am I playing that' or words to that effect and there was an embarassed pause while a different hymn was chosen.   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Austria     > On 1/16/05 6:25 PM, "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> wrote: > >> I suppose there are some who might still remember that connection, >> although >> the Austria tune seems to be in regular use in most denominations at >> present. > > I agree, Steve, that it is in regular use. But I think that just about > every time it IS used, some (relatively neutral, merely academic) = comments > are made about it. > > Alan >    
(back) Subject: RE: Austria From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 23:00:22 +1300     >The organist (not me) said in a loud voice 'no way am I playing that' or =   words to that effect and there was an embarassed pause while a different hymn was chosen.   Different cultures it seems to me, but here in NZ I've never, ever heard anyone speak about the use of "Austria" by anyone else but hymnwriters. = How much is known of its Nazi use I have no idea, and have no interest in finding out.   As I said yesterday (I think it was then) the only way to answer the = critics of the tune is to comment that it is indeed an Austrian tune, not a German one, and that Haydn was a deeply loved and faithful Christian church musician. If people then complain, let them, but don't give up the tune. = I would say we have an obligation to reclaim the tune, 100%, with no ifs or buts or bowing to any kind of pressure either to discuss the Nazi use, or = to change the tune for something else. Sixty years after the Nazi defeat, we should have better things to do, and more honourable at that, than give in to a mere blip in the tune's 200 year-old history.   I have absolutely not an atom of German or Austrian blood in me at all, = but am quite partial to genuine folksong by these countries. I have a batch of about 20 favourite carols from these two countries and am very happy to = use them whenever I can get away with any of them at Christmas. Too, I love = the lilt of the tunes of the folksong and regard Strauss as one of the finest melodists that's ever walked this earth. And yes, and I am certain this is regarded as quaint these days, I do like listening to first-class = yodelling as well.   Glorious things of thee are spoken - yes, and again yes.   Ross