PipeChat Digest #5107 - Friday, January 21, 2005
 
Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Introducing new hymns
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Words or actions?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
St. Martin's, Houston specifications
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Fanfare Trumpets
  by "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com>
FWD:  1859 Hook Burned, Recordings Listed
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: the Gloria Dei organ, St. Martin's  Houston
  by "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net>
Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Misunderstood texts and "Pass On It"
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Introducing new hymns
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: these are a few of my favourite hymns
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:38:38 EST   In a message dated 1/20/05 4:30:57 PM Central Standard Time, rohrwerk@seboldt.net writes:   > Andrew Mead wrote, quoted or whatever: I remember on a few occasions > considering self-immolation by throwing myself in the campfire at summer = camp > rather than endure listening to others sing "Pass it on" for the 27th = time > the same evening accompanied by "two chord Warren" strumming the guitar = and > everyone staring wide-eyed at the fire with glazed expressions on their > faces...."I want to paaaaass it on".... (oh, heav'n save me!). They'd = double > the length of "paaaass" on the last verse in the event anyone was on the =   > verge of > snapping and needed a pinch more help to push them over the edge. > Glazed expressions? Good heavens <snip...>   Oh for GOD'S SAKE! And it's that kind of senseless, sing-songy drivel = that have pushed the organ away from its former prominence and promotes praise = bands and praise choruses. Good Lord, let's just go BACK to the way church = music SHOULD BE- elegant, stately, meaningful and majestic! I honestly don't = think that God would expect (or desire, given the content of some of that swill) =   anything less.   Scott F. Foppiano Organist and Director of Parish Music and Liturgy Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN scottfop@aol.com In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.  
(back) Subject: Introducing new hymns From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:53:41 -0600   >However, I did not force new songs on them without due opportunity to hear >and (maybe learn) the melody long before they were asked to sing the song. >We followed a disciplined process to introduce and familiarize our people >with the hymn tunes.   Might I ask what that disciplined process is?   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri=20  
(back) Subject: Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 07:00:21 +0800   That URL does not come up here. Maybe an error in the name? BE. ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com>     > > > Check this out: www.stmartinepiscopal.org > > It will tell the story. > > Ron Severin > >     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:03:56 -0600   Try this one.   www.stmartinsepiscopal.org   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>     > That URL does not come up here. Maybe an error in the name? > BE.    
(back) Subject: Words or actions? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:59:36 +0000   On 1/20/05 10:30 PM, "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> wrote:   > the next person would cup [his/her] hands, and we would dump "it" into > [his/her] hand, and so on, thus, I suppose, bringing this wonderful love = of > God into the world. (A lot easier than actually doing something to make = it > happen...) Oh well...   My sentiments exactly.   Alan Freed at www.stlukesnyc.org  
(back) Subject: St. Martin's, Houston specifications From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:28:14 EST   They may be found on page 51 of this month's "The American Organist."  
(back) Subject: Fanfare Trumpets From: "mpm1927op4933" <mpm1927op4933@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:57:20 -0800 (PST)   In the favorite hymns thread I've seen fanfare trumpets mentioned a couple of times. I'm wondering what the approach is for that. Are the trumpets being used as chorus reeds and being added to foundation stops with both hands playing on the same manual; or, is the melody being soloed on the manual with the trumpets (perhaps in registration with other stops such as principal 4?) and then the alto and tenor being played on a separate manual (presumably using foundation stops) and the bass in the pedal?   I recently ordered the Organ Technique: Modern and Early book that was recommended recently. The chapter on service playing on p. 345 mentions an interesting technique of playing the melody one octave lower as a tenor solo on one manual and then taking as many of the soprano, alto and tenor notes with the right hand on a separate manual with bass in the pedal. This could perhaps be an interesting way of using the trumpets in the tenor solo. I usually practice on a 9 rank Moeller that doesn't have a trumpet, but I occasionally get to practice on an organ with trumpets when I visit my aunt, so I'm curious about the approach to using trumpets in congregational singing.   Thank you, Scott   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: FWD: 1859 Hook Burned, Recordings Listed From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:12:54 -0600   For some reason a posting from Bill Van Pelt of the OHS was blocked by some spam reporting blacklist so I am forwarding this to the list for him   ***************************************************************************= ********************* For those who would like to have a recording of the beautiful organ that = was burned in Boston on January 18, three are gathered as the first item on = the OHS Catalog webpage, http://www.ohscatalog.org   One of the recordings is taken from Lois Regestein's live performance at = the 2000 OHS National Convention, and is included in the 4-CD set "Historic Organs of Boston." Also included are the two other Hook organs in the Jamaica Plain section of Boston, where the First Baptist Church burned. Lois is a former organist of the church.   Another former organist, who served for many years, is Leonard Ciampa, who has made two CDs of Christmas music on the organ.   Bill -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: the Gloria Dei organ, St. Martin's Houston From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:44:42 -0500   Hi Gregory, I looked at the website provided and was awed that such a building = was built, and quickly, in the 21st century. Absolutely beautiful!! = However, if there were any pictures of the organ specifically or a spec, I = missed them. I would love to see a specification and some pix of the = interior (and console?) of the organ . . . Best Wishes, Roy Kersey Organ Enthusaist and Amateur Trumpeter      
(back) Subject: Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:54:56 +0800   Hated it then, hate it now ... why is it in the Hymnal for Worship and Cele= bration?   Really, doesn't it all just scream tie-die shirts, flower appliques on bell= -bottom corduroys and a bouquet of daisies? "I wish for you, my friend, thi= s happiness I've found --- " And of course no one really knew anything at a= ll about God until, "once you've experienced it"   You've all brought back nightmares of our organist who was probably in her = late sixties saddled with this thing in the early seventies as an attempt t= o envigorate youth participation. -- At least we never had a guitar in chur= ch during worship back then.   Run, hide, save the dog and children!!   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net>   > > Andrew Mead wrote, quoted or whatever: > > > >> I remember on a few occasions considering > >> self-immolation by throwing myself in the campfire at summer camp rath= er > >> than endure listening to others sing "Pass it on" for the 27th time th= e same > >> evening accompanied by "two chord Warren" strumming the guitar and eve= ryone > >> staring wide-eyed at the fire with glazed expressions on their faces..= ..."I > >> want to paaaaass it on".... (oh, heav'n save me!). They'd double the l= ength > >> of "paaaass" on the last verse in the event anyone was on the verge of > >> snapping and needed a pinch more help to push them over the edge. >=20 > Glazed expressions? Good heavens, never in my experience. We=20 > actually did a "pass it on" gesture during the song - "it" was some=20 > imaginary something in our hands, and the next person would cup=20 > their hands, and we would dump "it" into their hand, and so on,=20 > thus, I suppose, bringing this wonderful love of God into the=20 > world. (A lot easier than actually doing something to make it=20 > happen...) Oh well... >=20 > John Seboldt > Milwaukee, WI   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Misunderstood texts and "Pass On It" From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:09:55 -0600   As a clergyman, I struggled to find the significance in a popular song = that kept referring to an unknown "Reverend Blue Jeans."   One day, while hearing it on the radio, I suddenly realized they were singing, "forever in blue jeans." In any case, I never cared for the = song.   As for "Pass It On," I first sung it about 1970 when it first came out--I was in a college group that did the entire "musical" (more of a "pop cantata," really) of which it was a part.   Then it became popular on its own. The first 50,000 times I sung it, I liked it; the second 50,000 times it was becoming tiresome, the third = 50,000 times, it makes me want to upchuck.   The final straw was when a parishioner said, "Oh, I didn't know that was = in our hymnal. We sang that in college in our sorority when a girl got engaged."   Arrrggghhh!   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: Re: Old Chestnuts -- some of them stale From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:08:30 -0600   Scott: =20 > Andrew Mead wrote, quoted or whatever: I remember=20 > on a few occasions considering self-immolation by=20 > throwing myself in the campfire at summer camp=20 > rather than endure listening to others sing "Pass=20 > it on" for the 27th time the same evening accompanied=20 > by "two chord Warren" strumming the guitar . . .=20 =20 Most camps don't have stately pipe organs for campfire=20 devotional time (usually late in the evening). =20 F. Richard Burt =20 =20 ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing new hymns From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:27:39 -0600   Good Morning, Daniel: You inquired: > Might I ask what that disciplined process is? We called it the "Hymn of the Month." The first time it was played was during a prelude about two or three weeks ahead of the scheduled "sing" date. Then, it would be used in a portion of the service for an instrumental moment, or perhaps during our evening service. The next time, it was usually set as an "offertory" while the men collected the morning contributions. Then on the "sing" date, most of the congregants had heard the song at least once of twice (maybe every time it was used). We are Baptists, and have more freedom to arrange the music to suit our long-term purposes than many who follow a liturgical outline for the whole year. So, the discipline involved me spending the time to collate the Hymn of the Month new songs into the service music procedure and balancing it with the rest of the music we would make. AND, I got to make some of the arrangements for those hymns. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: The Gloria Dei Organ, St. Martin's, Houston TX From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 01:43:36 EST   Dear Gregory:   Did you by any chance purchase a copy of the forty page inaugural Text in the St. Martin's Gift Shop? I hope Jack Bethards would place a downloadable version of the stop specification on the St. Martin web site or on the Schoenstein web page. It is interesting and mind blowing to say the least. I'd be willing to send a division at a time, but my eyesight really isn't that good these days. I'd hate making mistakes.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: these are a few of my favourite hymns From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 03:05:52 EST   Well, howsabout: Lo! He Comes With Clouds Descending (Helmsley) On Jordan's Bank or Ride On! Ride On In Majesty (Winchester New) Hark! A Thrilling Voice Is Sounding (Merton) At the Name of Jesus (King's Weston) At The Lamb's High Feast or Songs of Thankfulness and Praise (Salzburg) Jesus Lives (St. Albinus) Who Are These Like Stars Appearing? (All Saints) To name a few of my favorites! Steve Steven Weyand Folkers St. Lambert Church Skokie, IL