PipeChat Digest #5123 - Friday, January 28, 2005
RE: "Pshaw" and other archaic terms
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: J.V. Roberts
  by "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org>
Re: In The News Today
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re:  J.V. Roberts
  by "Staffan Thuringer" <staffan_thuringer@yahoo.com.au>

(back) Subject: RE: "Pshaw" and other archaic terms From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:39:21 -0000   Well I understood the apple pie recipe perfectly, but I can=92t make = head or tail of this! What does it mean?   =20   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Merry Foxworth Sent: 28 January 2005 02:53 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: "Pshaw" and other archaic terms   =20   How about "Ain't, man, when the little red house makes by, the train is all"???   =20   =20   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 =B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20   =20   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20   =20   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/   ----- Original Message -----=20   From: Jim McFarland <mailto:mcfarland6@juno.com> =20   To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:50 PM   Subject: Re: "Pshaw" and other archaic terms   =20   =20   =20   On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:20:51 -0800 (PST) Stephen Roberts <sroberts01@snet.net> writes:   =20   Dear List:Just because one hasn't heard a term in the urban Northeast doesn't mean that it isn't in use elsewhere. It's a very big country between the two coasts. Be careful whom you call a "provincial", or = whose speech you deem un-American, for the very terms you cite may have a long = and venerable, though regional, history.=20   =20   =20   Hear Hear!!   =20   The only criteria for "proper" English is common usage. I suppose that = can be held on a regional basis as well.   =20   Here in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania we have a Mennonite population = (not Amish, they are a splinter group) numbering in the multiple tens of thousands. (They're everywhere!)   =20   A number of words and phrases common among the Mennonites have crept = into general usage "amongst us English".   =20   Many of these, I find charming, efficient, and perhaps more descriptive = than that which is found in your "Funk and Wagnalls."   =20   "It wonders me that a one-rank zymbel could ever work."   =20   "That organ should be rebuilt. It has enufa cyphers."   =20   "You have to run the board-edges over the joinder, if you intend to have them glue-joined."   =20   "Slow primaries? Are you sure? What for an action does the organ have?"   =20   I could go on, but I assume you get the idea.   =20   Even inflection, amongst the Mennonites, makes more sense. In the = English phrase "he is 42 years old" the English accent the word "old". Why? = Our brethren here accent the word "years". Makes more sense to me.   =20   =20   =20   =20   On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:20:51 -0800 (PST) Stephen Roberts <sroberts01@snet.net> writes:   =20   To make this at least somewhat on topic: speech was not the only manifestation of the English roots of rural Southerners. Their musical tradition also shows strong influences from the folk music of England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Early American folk melodies are often pentatonic or modal, a common feature of folksong from the Great Britain = and Ireland. Just look at a tune like "New Britain" (Amazing Grace) , "Holy Manna" (Brethren, we have met to worship), or "Light" (Sometimes a light surprises--one of my favorite tunes from early America), and one will quickly see what I mean. The last tune, "Light", came from Joshua = Leavitt's <Christian Lyre> of 1831-32, an original copy of which I have here as I write this message. It's a very interesting publication; unlike most shape-note tune books such as B.F. White's "The Sacred Harp", it is on = two staves.   =20   =20   Many of you might find it interesting that the Mennonite congregations = here that use printed music, utilize shape notes. There are music presses = here that print all kinds of music in shape notes, even the organ works of = Bach! All of the Mennonite hymnals and song books which include the music, are printed in shape notes.   =20   (By the way, the music in these hymnals is referred to only as the = "notes." You see, if it is sung, it is not music. Everything that is sung, is = sung in praise of the Lord. Music, as a term, is reserved for instrumentals = and secular varieties.)   =20   =20   =20   Jim    
(back) Subject: Re: J.V. Roberts From: "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:32:28 +1100   On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 05:14 pm, SWF12262@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have any biographical information about this composer they'd = be > willing to share?=A0   You will find more references if you search for him as "Varley Roberts" but= =20 there's still not much biographical material. At a reasonably quick look I= =20 found :   http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/r/o/roberts_jv.htm   http://lehuray2.csi.cam.ac.uk/Reporter/jul93/f793.htm (small anecdote half way down page)     =2D-=20 Roger Brown=09 roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org http://rogerbrown.no-ip.org  
(back) Subject: Re: In The News Today From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:45:44 EST   Phillip Johnson 1906-2005 died in Connecticut aged 98. He was senior architect of the Crystal Cathedral. OCR   San Franciscans be advised that your city administrators are planning to put a 17 cent tax on each bag of groceries you buy, no matter how small. Only on the left coast is such nonsense possible. Orange County Register   To keep this on topic, no chambers were provided for the Crystal Cathedral organ in the traditional sense. Everything is out in the open except for swell boxes constructed upon installation. Glass is not a good material for organ chambers.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: J.V. Roberts From: "Staffan Thuringer" <staffan_thuringer@yahoo.com.au> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:31:59 +1100 (EST)     Dear List,   A google search (and the fact that V stands for Varley..) gives:   Other music with Yorkshire connections includes the gloriously Victorian = setting of a famous invocatory text from the prophecy of Isaiah =96 Seek = ye the Lord while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near. This = is the work of famed 19th century choirmaster and organist John Varley = Roberts. Successively at Halifax Parish Church and Magdalen College = Chapel, Dr Roberts was a native of Stanningley between Pudsey and Leeds = and the donor of the fine organ in the Parish Church of his home village. = The Choir of Leeds Parish Church sang Evensong in 1991 as part of the = celebration of the Sesquicentenary of Stanningley St Thomas.   Regards   Staffan   ---------------------------------------------Steven Weyand Folkers = wrote:-----   My choir will be singing one of their favorite old war horses this Sunday = -- Seek Ye the Lord by J.V. Roberts. Does anyone have any biographical information about this composer they'd be willing to share? I've had no = luck finding anything!   Thanks! Steve   Steven Weyand Folkers St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL USA