PipeChat Digest #5125 - Saturday, January 29, 2005
 
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: J. Varley Roberts
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Workshops
  by "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net>
Re: Workshops
  by "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net>
Practice without Shoes
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net>
Re: J.V. Roberts - Thanks!
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:15:56 -0500   How about just hitting the delete button? If Nick wants to start a=20 "list of fools...," count me in. I hope he will go right on posting as=20 usual. I plan to do a little editing of the commandments and share them=20 with my students, and I wholeheartedly second Scott Montgomery's post of=20 a few minutes ago.   Steve Best in Utica, NH   Robert Lind wrote:   >Well, no you really didn't have to share it with everyone. Perhaps you c= ould >start a separate list of fools who find this kind of manqu=E9, contradic= tory, >unclever drivel important and irresistible. > >Robert Lind > >----- Original Message ----- >From: N. Russotto <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> >To: Piporg-l Posting Address <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>; PipeChat ><pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:30 PM >Subject: The 10 Commandments > > > =20 > >>I know I'm known as the Virgil guy, but I had to share this with all >>of you. . . >>Nick >> >>The Ten Commandments of Organ Practise >>Thou shalt practise every day, even if only for a short period. >>Thou shalt NEVER practise faster than thou canst play perfectly, for >>it is written: Perfect Practise Makes Perfect. >>Thou shalt NOT put off working on the hard parts; David did not invite >>Goliath to come back after tea. >>Thou shalt work out a usable fingering, inscribe it on thy papyrus and >>NEVER vary from same, for Fumble Fingers Find Fate Fickle. >>Thou shalt never apologise for thy playing, nor say "Oops!" when thou >>makest a mistake, for thou wilt only draw attention to things which >>otherwise would never be noticed by the thick people. >>Thou shalt practise each composition in short segments; that thy >>fingers may not break off more than thy mind can chew. >>Thou shalt listen ... and not only to organists, for it is written: >>What this untidy world needs is fewer organists and more musicians who >>can play the organ >>Thou shalt NOT play pedals without shoes ... for thy Odor-Eaters may >>be spent, and besides, it leads to sloppy playing. >>Thou shalt begin and end each practise session with something thou >>canst play readily, that thou mayest not be discouraged. >>Thou shalt always remember that thy practise is a labour of love and >>that by persistence (oft proved by thyself in other undertakings) thou >>canst bring to pass many wonders. >> =20 >> > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > =20 >    
(back) Subject: Re: J. Varley Roberts From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 07:34:02 +0800   I don't know, Karl, but I can easily find out as I notice that the Goss version of the anthem is also in our library. More on this later when I = have had a chance to check it out. Bob Elms. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> To: "pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: Re: J. Varley Roberts     >> We have two of Roberts' anthems in our library. One if Seek ye the = Lord, >> the >> one mentioned before. The other is "Oh Saviour of the World", a rather >> impressive Lenten anthem. > > Is this in any similar to the same anthem "O Savior Of the World" by > St. Paul's (London) Cathedral organist John Goss? Is it still in print? >       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.5 - Release Date: 26/01/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:46:08 -0800 (PST)   Thank you Stephen I may be confused...maybe organists are suppose to be bitchy and rude to = other organists. I would say 80% of the post I have read on this list are = negative about someone or something. Is everyone really that miserable? = I have a church job, teach 13 students and take 18 hours at the = University, along with recitals and competitions. I still keep a smile. = Maybe you should too.....         Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:43:48 -0600   Exactly. Alicia Zeilenga   -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Best <stevebest@usadatanet.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:15:56 -0500 Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments   > How about just hitting the delete button? If Nick wants to start a > "list of fools...," count me in. I hope he will go right on posting as > usual. I plan to do a little editing of the commandments and share > them > with my students, and I wholeheartedly second Scott Montgomery's post > of > a few minutes ago. > > Steve Best in Utica, NH > > Robert Lind wrote: > > >Well, no you really didn't have to share it with everyone. Perhaps you > could > >start a separate list of fools who find this kind of manqu=E9, > contradictory, > >unclever drivel important and irresistible. > > > >Robert Lind   >      
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:49:21 -0600   Either that or find another job in which you are more happy. Some churches actually appreciate less than negative people. My pastor has complimented me on my ability to "roll with the punches" more than a few times. Alicia Zeilenga     -----Original Message----- From: Scott Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:46:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments   > Thank you Stephen > > I may be confused...maybe organists are suppose to be bitchy and rude > to other organists. I would say 80% of the post I have read on this > list are negative about someone or something. Is everyone really that > miserable? I have a church job, teach 13 students and take 18 hours at > the University, along with recitals and competitions. I still keep a > smile. Maybe you should too..... > > > > > > Scott Montgomery > 619 W Church St > Champaign, IL 61820 > 217-390-0158 > www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net > >      
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:54:01 -0600   Quite right. To be honest the original posting did not particularly = appeal to me, but I would not dream of suggesting it should not have = been posted. The truth is that not everyone is the same personality = type (Myers-Briggs has sixteen types, and even these have infinite = variations of degree -- I am an INFJ somewhere out there in left field = with Mother Theresa and Mahatma Ghandi), and different things appeal to = different people. I am thankful that my delete finger still works (I = have a little trouble with the fourth finger of my left hand since an = accident a year or so ago), and hope that everyone will just live and = let live. And go on posting what they find interesting.   John Speller ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Best=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments     How about just hitting the delete button? If Nick wants to start a = "list of fools...," count me in. I hope he will go right on posting as = usual. I plan to do a little editing of the commandments and share them = with my students, and I wholeheartedly second Scott Montgomery's post of = a few minutes ago.   Steve Best in Utica, NH   Robert Lind wrote:   Well, no you really didn't have to share it with everyone. Perhaps you = could start a separate list of fools who find this kind of manqu=E9, = contradictory, unclever drivel important and irresistible.   Robert Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: N. Russotto <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> To: Piporg-l Posting Address <piporg-l@listserv.albany.edu>; PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: The 10 Commandments     I know I'm known as the Virgil guy, but I had to share this with all of you. . . Nick   The Ten Commandments of Organ Practise Thou shalt practise every day, even if only for a short period. Thou shalt NEVER practise faster than thou canst play perfectly, for it is written: Perfect Practise Makes Perfect. Thou shalt NOT put off working on the hard parts; David did not invite Goliath to come back after tea. Thou shalt work out a usable fingering, inscribe it on thy papyrus and NEVER vary from same, for Fumble Fingers Find Fate Fickle. Thou shalt never apologise for thy playing, nor say "Oops!" when thou makest a mistake, for thou wilt only draw attention to things which otherwise would never be noticed by the thick people. Thou shalt practise each composition in short segments; that thy fingers may not break off more than thy mind can chew. Thou shalt listen ... and not only to organists, for it is written: What this untidy world needs is fewer organists and more musicians who can play the organ Thou shalt NOT play pedals without shoes ... for thy Odor-Eaters may be spent, and besides, it leads to sloppy playing. Thou shalt begin and end each practise session with something thou canst play readily, that thou mayest not be discouraged. Thou shalt always remember that thy practise is a labour of love and that by persistence (oft proved by thyself in other undertakings) thou canst bring to pass many wonders.  
(back) Subject: Workshops From: "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:34:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   First United Methodist Church in West Point Georgia will have 2 workshops and a Concert on February 19 and 20th. The Clinician will be Mr. Don Lew= is. If you are interested in these events, email me for more information.=0D =0D Has anyone ever attended a workshop and recital of Mr. Lewis?=0D =0D Randall=0D West Point FUMC
(back) Subject: Re: Workshops From: "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:48:48 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   email me at zimbelstern62@yahoo.com=0D Randall Smith =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Randall Smith=0D Date: 01/28/05 23:36:05=0D To: pipechat@pipechat.org=0D Subject: Workshops=0D =0D =0D First United Methodist Church in West Point Georgia will have 2 workshops and a Concert on February 19 and 20th. The Clinician will be Mr. Don Lew= is. If you are interested in these events, email me for more information.=0D =0D Has anyone ever attended a workshop and recital of Mr. Lewis?=0D =0D Randall=0D West Point FUMC
(back) Subject: Practice without Shoes From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 23:59:21 EST   >Hmmm. I think I'm more precise wo shoes because I have to work harder at =   >being precise. > >Alicia Zeilenga     I'm surprised that in college that an organ professor would let you get = away with playing without shoes. Professional organists play with shoes, = whether practicing or performing--you'd never see people like Dame Gillian Weir, Marilyn Keiser, Marilyn Mason, Joyce Jones, or even Diane Bish play = without their shoes. You need shoes for leverage, for support while operating swell = shoes, and to protect your toes when hitting toe studs.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:45:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   I have had the same pair of Organ Master Shoes for 15 years. They are w= ell worth their cost.=0D It does make a difference in our playing.=0D =0D Randall=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: RMB10@aol.com=0D Date: 01/28/05 23:59:36=0D To: pipechat@pipechat.org=0D Subject: Practice without Shoes=0D =0D >Hmmm. I think I'm more precise wo shoes because I have to work harder a= t=0D >being precise.=0D >=0D >Alicia Zeilenga=0D =0D =0D I'm surprised that in college that an organ professor would let you get a= way=0D with playing without shoes. Professional organists play with shoes, whet= her=0D practicing or performing--you'd never see people like Dame Gillian Weir,=0D Marilyn Keiser, Marilyn Mason, Joyce Jones, or even Diane Bish play witho= ut their=0D shoes. You need shoes for leverage, for support while operating swell sh= oes =0D and to protect your toes when hitting toe studs.=0D =0D Monty Bennett=0D =0D ******************************************************************=0D "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"=0D PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics=0D HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org=0D List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org=0D Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org=0D List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org>=0D List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org>=0D List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>=0D =0D =0D =20
(back) Subject: Re: J.V. Roberts - Thanks! From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:38:19 EST   Dear Pipechatters, Many thanks to those of you who responded to my request for biographical information about J.V. Roberts! Somehow I knew that if there was = information out there about this composer, this list would have it! Here's some = musical genealogical trivia -- Ralph Vaughan Williams' second great-grandfather = on his mother's side was Josiah Wedgwood (of fine china fame), and his great = uncle was Charles Darwin (brother of his maternal grandmother). About this, my =   father would probably remark, "That and two bits will get you on the El." = In his day the elevated trains of the Chicago Transit Authority charged 25 = cents! There's got to be a joke in there about sic transit gloria mundi and inflation, but I'm too tired to look for it. Thanks again! Steve  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:47:47 +0100   When practising at my pedal harmonium I never use shoes, for greater "feeling" -- I can feel exactly what part of the foot I hit the pedal with, which is difficult with my organmasters on. Doing this has, in fact, improved my pedaling (even with shoes) tremendously.   When practising at a pipe organ I always use shoes, to avoid damaging my feet on rough edges, to use more heels, and to have the necessary stability for heavy swell shoes etc.   - Jarle http://jarle.moo.no  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:49:54 EST     In a message dated 1/29/05 2:47:27 AM, jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk writes:     > When practising at my pedal harmonium I never use shoes, for greater > "feeling" -- I can feel exactly what part of the foot I hit the pedal > with, which is difficult with my organmasters on. Doing this has, in > fact, improved my pedaling (even with shoes) tremendously. > > When practising at a pipe organ I always use shoes, to avoid damaging my > feet on rough edges, to use more heels, and to have the necessary > stability for heavy swell shoes etc. > > - Jarle > http://jarle.moo.no >   i would have to agree with monty- also-isin't the point of practicing to remove as many "variables" as possible, so that performance is "risk free"? in other words-always wear = them.       Gregory Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net  
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Jarle Fagerheim" <jarle_fagerheim@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 09:52:54 +0100   N. Russotto wrote: > Thou shalt NEVER practise faster than thou canst play perfectly, for > it is written: Perfect Practise Makes Perfect. Is it really possible to play something "perfectly" without having the tempo right?   - Jarle http://jarle.moo.no