PipeChat Digest #5127 - Saturday, January 29, 2005
 
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
RE: The 10 Commandments
  by "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Monty's Pic and Shoes
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
No shoes - is everyone on wrong track?
  by "Lin Yangchen" <yangchen@raffles.org>
Monty's Pic
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Malcolm Kogut" <mkogut@capital.net>
Re: Monty's Pic and Shoes
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
dumb question
  by "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com>
Ugh
  by "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Monty's Pic and Shoes
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Practice without Shoes is Painful
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Composer and Chorale Info (x post)
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
my picture and shoes
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Practicing without shoes
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: Practicing without shoes
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Looking for Lowered music rack
  by "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com>
ALL READ!!! Re: The 10 Commandments
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com>
Felix Hell at LTSG in Gettysburg
  by "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Ugh
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:07:30 EST   In a message dated 1/29/05 9:40:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, Hell-Concerts@t-online.de writes:   > In addition to that, as to my best knowledge, the vast majority of organ > teachers, among them the most reknown and experienced ones the organ > world has available today cathegorically and with reason refuse to even > discuss the possibility of pedal playing without appropriate (organ-) > shoes. I am already wondering, whether they all might be on the wrong > track?   having done both, i MUCH prefer organ shoes.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:10:38 -0500   This encouraged me to try the double glissandos variation in the Thalben Ball without shoes. OUCH! Admittedy, there aren't a lot of pieces like this and this isn't something many people play, but I simply could not do it without shoes. Is there anyone out there who can...as in who who has actually tried to do this particular piece shoeless and succeeded?   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Jarle Fagerheim wrote:   > Stephen Best wrote: > >> Thalben-Ball "Variations on a Theme of Paganini" -- can't imagine >> playing the variation with all the double pedal glissandos without >> having it be downright painful without shoes. > > A few days ago there was a story in the Norwegian media about a man > (not an organist!) who hadn't worn shoes at all since 1990. He even > claims that wearing shoes is now extremely uncomfortable to him. It's > all about what one is used to. > > - Jarle        
(back) Subject: RE: The 10 Commandments From: "Dominic Scullion" <dominicscullion@email.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:15:44 -0000   If Robert Lind did not like the 10 Commandments, he is free to say so. Perhaps he did not need to be so dogmatic in his approach to telling us = so, but Scott and Octaaf@charter.net are being just as immature and pathetic = by continuing these emails. Scott - your last email 'AMEN' etc was over the line.   Just move on.   D     _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Scott Montgomery Sent: 29 January 2005 16:53 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments     I think another AMEN is needed   Octaaf <octaaf@charter.net> wrote:   Or maybe the great and wise Mr. Lind could just hit the "Delete" key as he =   so eloquently tells those of us who are less than impressed by his = arrogance   and scat attittudes.   T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lind" To: "PipeChat" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:02 PM Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments     > Well, no you really didn't have to share it with everyone. Perhaps you > could > start a separate list of fools who find this kind of manqui, > contradictory, > unclever drivel important and irresistible. > > Robert Lind > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N. Russotto > To: Piporg-l Posting Address ; PipeChat > > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: The 10 Commandments > > >> I know I'm known as the Virgil guy, but I had to share this with all >> of you. . . >> Nick >> >> The Ten Commandments of Organ Practise >> Thou shalt practise every day, even if only for a short period. >> Thou shalt NEVER practise faster than thou canst play perfectly, for >> it is written: Perfect Practise Makes Perfect. >> Thou shalt NOT put off working on the hard parts; David did not invite >> Goliath to come back after tea. >> Thou shalt work out a usable fingering, inscribe it on thy papyrus and >> NEVER vary from same, for Fumble Fingers Find Fate Fickle. >> Thou shalt never apologise for thy playing, nor say "Oops!" when thou >> makest a mistake, for thou wilt only draw attention to things which >> otherwise would never be noticed by the thick people. >> Thou shalt practise each composition in short segments; that thy >> fingers may not break off more than thy mind can chew. >> Thou shalt listen ... and not only to organists, for it is written: >> What this untidy world needs is fewer organists and more musicians who >> can play the organ >> Thou shalt NOT play pedals without shoes ... for thy Odor-Eaters may >> be spent, and besides, it leads to sloppy playing. >> Thou shalt begin and end each practise session with something thou >> canst play readily, that thou mayest not be discouraged. >> Thou shalt always remember that thy practise is a labour of love and >> that by persistence (oft proved by thyself in other undertakings) thou >> canst bring to pass many wonders. > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: > List-Digest: > List-Unsubscribe: > >     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:     Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net      
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:17:32 EST   In a message dated 1/29/05 10:13:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevebest@usadatanet.net writes:   > Is there anyone out there who can...as in who who > has actually tried to do this particular piece shoeless and succeeded?   i'm heading to the church to practice in a few minutes... i'll take the score with me & report back.   scot  
(back) Subject: Monty's Pic and Shoes From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:25:58 -0600   Shoes--I don't find shoes much advantage one way or the other when playing = a one manual continuo organ. ;>)   Monty--saw your pic in the current TAO mag! Congrats. Hey, for some reason, I had always pictured you as a portly middle-aged man--guess I missed on that one, eh? I think I was combining all the experience you = seem to have crammed into a few short years with my stereotypical mortician! = ;>)   Dennis Steckley Lover of Cats, Pipe Organs & 1940-65 Sewing Machines    
(back) Subject: No shoes - is everyone on wrong track? From: "Lin Yangchen" <yangchen@raffles.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:29:02 -0800 (PST)   Hello everyone,   Regarding the question raised by Herr Hell of whether all the organ = teachers are on the wrong track by promoting the use of organ shoes, I = would like to bring up a real-life example in earth science research which = would provide insights to answering the question. I will not attempt to = answer the question.   A century ago, most scientists believed that the earth's crust was solid = and immobile. However, a famous German geologist (sorry I forgot his name) = postulated the theory of plate tectonics in the early 20th century to = explain the phenomena of earthquakes and volcanism. For years, almost no = one believed him, scientists condemned him and he was denied of a = well-deserved professorship. They simply refused to believe that the = earth's crust could be so unstable and ephemeral. Eventually this German = geologist was proven to be correct. There are several other examples - = Copernicus, Darwin (I am not supporting his theory of evolution) etc.   Yangchen   --- "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> wrote:   From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:40:26 +0100 To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Re: Practice without Shoes   In addition to that, as to my best knowledge, the vast majority of organ teachers, among them the most reknown and experienced ones the organ world has available today cathegorically and with reason refuse to even discuss the possibility of pedal playing without appropriate (organ-) shoes. I am already wondering, whether they all might be on the wrong track? Hans-Friedrich Hell     -----Original Message----- Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:17:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: Stephen Best <stevebest@usadatanet.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>   I'm wondering about the following without shoes:   Langlais "Epilogue" -- where I'd have a tough time playing the chords without shoes.   Thalben-Ball "Variations on a Theme of Paganini" -- can't imagine playing the variation with all the double pedal glissandos without having it be downright painful without shoes.   At least here in Central NY state where the outside temperatures have been hovering around 0 degress F for a few days and churches are mighty cold, I find my feet "freeze" quickly just from contact with a cold pedalboard, let alone a cold room. Shoes really are protection against cold.   All that said, I suppose ANYTHING is possible if one gets accustomed to it! I for one wouldn't dream of playing a note without organ shoes.   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Malcolm Wechsler (Mander Organs) wrote:   > My Organist friend in London, David Liddle, who is blind, does not > wear shoes when playing, and anyone who has heard him recognizes in > him a consummate virtuoso. Contrary to what one might think, he says > that playing shoeless came not from a wish for more sensitivity in > feeling the pedal keys or toe studs, but rather because of occasional > difficulty in finding out exactly where he left his shoes! There is no > pedal obstacle he cannot meet shoeless, and he certainly fulfills > Monty's category as a professional Organist (as well as a > well-published composer of Organ music).         ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>         ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Monty's Pic From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:53:02 -0800 (PST)   LOL Portly and middle Aged... HAHAHAHAHA   No, not even.     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Malcolm Kogut" <mkogut@capital.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:03:26 -0500   > >Why are organists so mean to each other. Sheesh!<   Over on the NPM list a year ago, there were four or five guys who got together and created aliases on the list, asked dumb questions, then answered them in order to make themselves look good. They also created a few insidious personas to rile everyone up and took much glee in seeing the membership of the list drop.   They were infiltrated, outed, then a meg of their private messages was wrongfully posted publicly online. Sadly, a few of the "good" innocent people hurt by them contacted their pastors and I believe one was fired.   It's too bad. I admired and respected the opinion and thoughts of these guys. They knew what they were talking about. Even smart people can be emotionally unstable.   They were asked to simply apologize, but, never did.   -Malcolm (who wouldn't play the organ in street shoes because they carry in dirt, mud and salt from outside). mkogut@capital.net Rotterdam, NY    
(back) Subject: Re: Monty's Pic and Shoes From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:34:01 EST   In a message dated 1/29/2005 1:26:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kzrev@rr1.net writes:   Hey, for some reason, I had always pictured you as a portly middle-aged man--     well, one that any number of people would die for........or would like to =   look like instead of portly middle-aged person nice pic Monty... dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: dumb question From: "v hatch" <vhatch@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:58:25 -0600   Alotofmyemails used to arfrive as junk mail iftheywere from a list or listserve. Thenhotmail would ask me "Is this junk mail?" and unfortunately = I replied "no" and somehow I long for the old arrangement where after a certain number stayed for five days they would automatically be deleted. Now if I don't do the somewhat laborious task of deleting they are piling = up to many hundreds and I suppose that is detrimental somehow. Can anybody please tell me what steps I would take to return to the situation where emails from a list would be classified as junk mail? Or does this harm = the senders? Or is there a way to delete 500 emails at once? Does one have = to do each page separately? I love my lists but I am getting older (well,old) = and I would at least like to know about the steps I could take: it's = hotmail that I'm talking about.Thanks You could of course reply to me personally = if you don't mind.   _________________________________________________________________ Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Ugh From: "Scott Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:35:54 -0800 (PST)   I forgot how to un-subscribe. I hadn't thought about it before, but I = can't stand all this crap going on in here. I thought this was suppose to = be a place to laugh, get good advice and know that there are others out = there like you and me that appreciate the organ and it's music. This is = not what I expected and it is a huge let down. To the people that did respond with kindly, I would like to remain in = contact with you. Good luck. Montre1978@yahoo.com       Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Monty's Pic and Shoes From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:01:45 EST   Monty, was that a professional portrait in the TAO? i have not had a new pic for a year and that was a great informal = portrait. dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Practice without Shoes is Painful From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:54:24 EST   In a message dated 1/29/05 10:13:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, stevebest@usadatanet.net writes:   > Is there anyone out there who can...as in who has actually tried to do = this > particular piece shoeless and succeeded?   ok, steve & all... here's what i found:   playing the thalben-ball variations shoeless is a painful experience. = yes, the glissandos hurt my balls (of my feet, of course) after about the 3rd = one. i also found that when playing two notes with one foot that it took more energy to depress the notes than if i were wearing shoes. why? because = the pedalboard is farther away. it's hard enough to play on heels without = shoes, but even harder to play two notes with the same foot. oh yeah, when playing = with just socks on (good thing i was alone in the church), i found that the glissandos tended to pull the socks OFF. and no, i didn't try it in bare = feet.   bound and determined to give it another shot, i tried..... the sowerby pageant. didn't even make it to the 3rd page, fool that i am. yes, i can = feel the individual pedals easier, but since my pedalboard geography is already = good, it didn't make any difference. it still hurt, and i wasn't even close to = the part with four-note pedal chords.   needless to say, i put my shoes on before practicing the willan prelude & fugue in c minor. i practiced a good 3 hours and my feetballs still hurt. = obviously, i'm well past college age. good thing tomorrow's music is = simplistic.   scot in spokane  
(back) Subject: Composer and Chorale Info (x post) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:18:30 -0500   Can anyone please lead me to information (in English) on the composer Piet = Rippen? I am doing his "Partita on a Passion Chorale" for a noon-time = recital in early March.   The chorale seems to be "VOOR VADER EN MOEDER". Can anyone tell me what = this chorale is, provide a text, origin, etc, etc?   Thanks in advance.   Neil Brown  
(back) Subject: my picture and shoes From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:21:43 EST   LOL I guess shoes don't really come into play when you're playing = continuo.   I've never been considered the "stereotypical" mortician--I'm usually = goofing off too much behind the scenes in the office. I'm serious when I have to = be and then I can have fun the rest of the time. I'm usually pulling pranks, =   finding strange stuff on the internet to make people in the office laugh, = playing gospel songs on the organ and piano, etc. I'm only 35 years old. I guess =   I've managed to do a lot in those years.   As to the photo, yes, it's a professional portrait--it was one of a series = I had done, some b&w, some in color. I vary the ones I use.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing without shoes From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:42:03 EST   My first organ teacher, the late Albert Ludecke, told me I could paralyze = my feet by practicing without shoes. He claimed that hitting the toes on the sharps could do this At the tender age of 13, I didn't want to risk this, and have played in = organ shoes ever since!   Justin  
(back) Subject: Re: Practicing without shoes From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:47:23 EST   In a message dated 1/29/05 2:42:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, Justinhartz@aol.com writes:   > My first organ teacher, the late Albert Ludecke, told me I could = paralyze > my feet by practicing without shoes. He claimed that hitting the toes on = the > sharps could do this At the tender age of 13, I didn't want to risk = this, and > have played in organ shoes ever since!   sounds like it ranks up there with, "don't cross your eyes -- they could = stay that way."   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:06:17 -0500     On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 11:59:29 -0500 Cole <rcolev@woh.rr.com> writes: > Scott wrote: > >Why are organists so mean to each other. Sheesh! > > I have always attributed it to "the artistic temperament". > > Cole Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA       I believe that those "mean organists" hiding behind the term "artistic temperament", are actually not great artists at all. They are probably not great musicians either.   A truly great artist would have no need to attempt to put himself in greater esteem by denigrating others.   Jim  
(back) Subject: Looking for Lowered music rack From: "Joe Elliffe" <jelli@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 18:25:11 -0500   I want to replace a broken Plexiglas music rack that hooks over your = regular rack and lowers your music to a comfortable position- I can't find the = dealer that I bought it from- My c card just lists Walkrite Bloomington MN- It cost 54.95 in 2000- = Can anyone possibly shed some light on this rack- it worked beautifully = for me until someone broke it yesterday- Thanks for any info in advance. Joe
(back) Subject: ALL READ!!! Re: The 10 Commandments From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:40:48 -0600   Folks   This afternoon when I finally got to my computer and was able to check mail I was appalled at some of the comments from some of you towards other members of the list. First of all, it is not your place to "discipline" another member of the list for what he or she has posted. If any "discipline" is needed it will be taken care of by the Administrators. Unfortunately, this weekend both of us are not at our computers quite as much as we normally are since both of us are on the road so we didn't catch this happening quite as fast as we might normally have.   If you have a problem with what someone else has said please take it up with us rather than trying to take care of it yourself.   A VERY Tired David in Milwaukee! -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: "Karl Keller" <kkeller1@stny.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:31:56 -0500   Several years ago I was with a world famous organist while he prepared for a concert. I noticed he was playing in stocking feet and him why. He told me that he was more comfortable playing shoeless and in fact played concerts this way when his feet could not be seen by the audience. This artist has many recordings to his credit and has concretized on most of the world's most famous organs.   Now back to lurking.   Karl Keller Sayre, PA    
(back) Subject: Felix Hell at LTSG in Gettysburg From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 01:35:58 +0100   Dear listmembers,   the recently published program of Felix Hell's recital, tomorrow, Jan. 30, 4 pm, at the chapel of the Lutheran Seminary of Gettysburg/PA has slightly changed.   Below is the final version.   Hans-Friedrich Hell     Program   Nikolaus Bruhns (1685-1750 Prelude e minor (small setting)   Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750 =93Gelobet seist du Jesu Christ=94, BWV 722, BWV 604, BWV 723   Dietrich Buxtehude (1637 - 1707) Choralfantasie =84Wie sch=F6n leuchtet der Morgenstern=93, BuxWV 223   Louis-Nicolas Clerambeault (1676-1749) Suite du 2eme ton Plein jeu Duo Trio Basse de Cromorne Flutes Recit de Nazard Caprice   Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750) Prelude and Fugue G Major, BWV 541   INTERMISSION   Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750 Prelude and Fugue B Minor, BWV 544 =84Wachet auf ruft uns die Stimme=94, BWV 645 Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy (1809 - 1847) Sonata No. 5, D Major, op. 65 - Andante - Andante con moto - Allegro maestoso   Johannes Brahms (1809 - 1847) =93Es ist ein Ros entsprungen=94   Johann Sebastian Bach (1685-1750 Toccata and Fugue F Major, BWV 540   Sigfrit Karg-Elert (1809 =96 1847) Chorale Fantasy on =84Now thank we all our God=93                
(back) Subject: Re: Ugh From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:47:33 -0800 (PST)   Scott Montgomery, an acquaintance of a few of us inthe Chicago crowd, has a point. While we use this list to talk about our field, and to do another thing...Promote comeradery, friendship, and possibly a supportive link for each other in the field.   I, too, continue to be let down by certain actions on this list. Several people have nothing better to do tha go find who is on any particular ISP or Instant Messengers, and start gossiping conversations about others lives, state who they think is a sicko/wierdo/needs help, cover up what's really going on at X'Y' and Z's Universities organ departments, and just be down right ugly and un-Christian...yet be the very ones at the front door on Sunday Morning smiling at their pastors/bosses as they are to be sainted. That's not what this is for. It's to promote goodness in the field and to talk about things that are related to it.   One lister emailed me off-list and told me, with some of the actions that us younger organists see the older ones doing, it's no wonder why we have a hard time finding genuine, non-judgemental, caring, smiling, true people to share the profession and it's concersn with and to encourage us to fill THEIR shoes in several years.         __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo