PipeChat Digest #5128 - Sunday, January 30, 2005
 
Re: Ugh
  by "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net>
Human behavior, was "Ugh"
  by "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net>
Re: Composer and Chorale Info (x post)
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: Human behavior, was "Ugh"
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Looking for Lowered music rack
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Re: Practice without Shoes
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Commandments
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Ugh
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Mendelssohn's version of Bach's St. Matthew .. News from PlaybillArts.com
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: UGH
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Humor
  by "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net>
Re: Looking for Lowered music rack
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: Composer and Chorale Info (x post)
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Ugh From: "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:57:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   =0D Amen, Sister!=0D =0D I have been a member of the groups for less than 24 hours and have been disapointed at some of the conversation. We are suppose to be professionals. Let's act like it!=0D =0D Ranadll Smith =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: T.Desiree' Hines=0D Date: 01/29/05 19:48:10=0D To: PipeChat=0D Subject: Re: Ugh=0D =0D Scott Montgomery, an acquaintance of a few of us inthe=0D Chicago crowd, has a point. While we use this list to=0D talk about our field, and to do another=0D thing...Promote comeradery, friendship, and possibly a=0D supportive link for each other in the field.=0D =0D I, too, continue to be let down by certain actions on=0D this list. Several people have nothing better to do=0D tha go find who is on any particular ISP or Instant=0D Messengers, and start gossiping conversations about=0D others lives, state who they think is a=0D sicko/wierdo/needs help, cover up what's really going=0D on at X'Y' and Z's Universities organ departments, and=0D just be down right ugly and un-Christian...yet be the=0D very ones at the front door on Sunday Morning smiling=0D at their pastors/bosses as they are to be sainted.=0D That's not what this is for. It's to promote goodness=0D in the field and to talk about things that are=0D related to it.=0D =0D One lister emailed me off-list and told me, with some=0D of the actions that us younger organists see the older=0D ones doing, it's no wonder why we have a hard time=0D finding genuine, non-judgemental, caring, smiling,=0D true people to share the profession and it's concersn=0D with and to encourage us to fill THEIR shoes in=0D several years.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D __________________________________=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.=0D http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo=0D =0D ******************************************************************=0D "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"=0D PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics=0D HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org=0D List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org=0D Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org=0D List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org>=0D List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org>=0D List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>=0D =0D =0D =20
(back) Subject: Human behavior, was "Ugh" From: "Charles Peery" <cepeery@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:18:23 -0500   I think perhaps the only peculiar thing to musicians (organists on this list, and others) is that reaction of "This should NOT be happening" when situations or people don't live up to their expectations. Chalk it up to our training and habits of trying to "fix" things. Notes, measures, out of tune sopranos. "OMG, let's see if I can stop that right now." We tend to react that way.   I'm absolutely FASCINATED by this list, not only for the ideas and content, but also observing how people "interact", for lack of a better term. I would not be in favor of mandating others' behavior unless it was threatening, obscene, or so frequently abusive that it was intolerable for everyone.   My view is "This is exactly what should be happening." Because people typing on here are human, and humans sometimes fail to be polite, have mood swings, become giddy, need encouragement, are snobby... you get the drift. It doesn't mean I like it all, but it is tremendously enlightening to watch people behave-- either well or badly!   Chuck Peery St. Louis    
(back) Subject: Re: Composer and Chorale Info (x post) From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:20:49 -0600   All I can tell you is that he is Dutch (which I imagine you had already figured out) and that he was born in 1928.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> To: <anglican-music@list.stsams.org>; <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 4:18 PM Subject: Composer and Chorale Info (x post)     > Can anyone please lead me to information (in English) on the composer = Piet Rippen? I am doing his "Partita on a Passion Chorale" for a noon-time recital in early March. > > The chorale seems to be "VOOR VADER EN MOEDER". Can anyone tell me what this chorale is, provide a text, origin, etc, etc?      
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:45:57 EST   I can remember practicing in hiking boots many moons ago -- it was amazing = how much easier the pedal passages were when I wore proper shoes! = Practicing is such cumbersome footwear really improved my pedal technique a great = deal. I suppose it's like a sprinter running with a 25 pound backpack -- so = much easier to run without it. Steve Folkers Steven Weyand Folkers Director of Music St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL    
(back) Subject: Re: Human behavior, was "Ugh" From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:51:01 -0800 (PST)   Human Behavior is an excuse for certain things, but at this time I won't go there. I will say that some actions that happen on the list, like initiating conversations about others off-list behind the backs of them is not so porfessional and it's just not kind. If you can't say anything nice...don't say anything at all.   Now, it's different when you want to talk about certain things like the goings on at Westminster Choir College and the organ Department. Thing's like that are best between a few parties, until the school itslef makes a statement on the goings on.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 21:29:22 EST   In a message dated 1/29/05 5:46:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, = SWF12262@aol.com writes:   > I can remember practicing in hiking boots many moons ago -- it was = amazing > how much easier the pedal passages were when I wore proper shoes! = Practicing > is such cumbersome footwear really improved my pedal technique a great = deal. > I suppose it's like a sprinter running with a 25 pound backpack -- so = much > easier to run without it.   ok, i admit it... i've also practiced in my cowboy boots. but in my own defense, it's because i was quickly running through a couple of things and = didn't want (or have time) to change into organ shoes, and not an extended = practice session. but it DOES make it easier the next time you practice in organ shoes!   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Lowered music rack From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:39:16 -0600   Can the hardware on the rack just be unscrewed and installed on a new = piece of plexiglass that you can buy and have cut at a local lumberyard? = You might even wish to modify the amount of drop that it provides while = you are at it. It would be faster and cheaper than buying a new one.=20 Kip in Missouri ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe Elliffe=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: Looking for Lowered music rack     I want to replace a broken Plexiglas music rack that hooks over your = regular rack and lowers your music to a comfortable position- I can't find the = dealer that I bought it from- My c card just lists Walkrite Bloomington MN- It cost 54.95 in 2000- = Can anyone possibly shed some light on this rack- it worked beautifully = for me until someone broke it yesterday- Thanks for any info in advance. Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:45:50 -0600   When I lived in a poor neighborhood ov Denver Colorado, the neighbor kids who went shoeless all Summer would blithely stroll down the concrete alley =   which was covered with broken glass and sharp gravel - barefoot! It would have killed me to try that, but we have a marvelous ability to adapt to whatever conditions we find ourselves in. What would almost kill you the first time might, to someone who has done it all his life, be nothing special. Somebody ask the guy in Sweden who hasn't worn shoes since 1990 = to try the Thalben-Ball and see what he thinks! = Kip in Missouri (being unhelpful!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Practice without Shoes     > This encouraged me to try the double glissandos variation in the Thalben =   > Ball without shoes. OUCH! Admittedy, there aren't a lot of pieces like =   > this and this isn't something many people play, but I simply could not = do > it without shoes. Is there anyone out there who can...as in who who has > actually tried to do this particular piece shoeless and succeeded? > > Steve Best in Utica, NY > > Jarle Fagerheim wrote: > >> Stephen Best wrote: >> >>> Thalben-Ball "Variations on a Theme of Paganini" -- can't imagine >>> playing the variation with all the double pedal glissandos without >>> having it be downright painful without shoes. >> >> A few days ago there was a story in the Norwegian media about a man = (not >> an organist!) who hadn't worn shoes at all since 1990. He even claims >> that wearing shoes is now extremely uncomfortable to him. It's all = about >> what one is used to. >> >> - Jarle > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >      
(back) Subject: Commandments From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:40:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Dear List,=0D =0D I like the list of "commandments" that has been posted, it seems like good common sense advice to me.=0D =0D If there were to be a list of commandments for Church musicians, I wou= ld say one would have to be a reminder to leave a basket of "tuner's helper"= on the console. I like just about anything, but those strawberry "Cream Sav= ers are my favorite. =0D =0D No paper clips around the console would be another good one...=0D =0D Best,=0D =0D Nathan
(back) Subject: Re: Ugh From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 20:22:19 -0800 (PST)   Randall, I'm sure that after a week, you will know lot's about listers, = our careers, churches, etc. Just give it a week...someone will "keep up = devil-ment" (as my mama would say) and go talkin' about people to you. LOL I'll be good for now. I'm minding my manners and going to say nothing = unless I can't say anything nice. Welcome to the list, however. Remember, most of us have to go play in the morning...let's try to act the = way we do tomorrow at least a few days out of the week.   Randall Smith <lrlr@knology.net> wrote: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-0000000000004.0; Amen, Sister! I have been a member of the groups for less than 24 hours and have been = disapointed at some of the conversation. We are suppose to be = professionals. Let's act like it! Ranadll Smith -------Original Message------- From: T.Desiree' Hines Date: 01/29/05 19:48:10 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Ugh   Scott Montgomery, an acquaintance of a few of us inthe Chicago crowd, has a point. While we use this list to talk about our field, and to do another thing...Promote comeradery, friendship, and possibly a supportive link for each other in the field. I, too, continue to be let down by certain actions on this list. Several people have nothing better to do tha go find who is on any particular ISP or Instant Messengers, and start gossiping conversations about others lives, state who they think is a sicko/wierdo/needs help, cover up what's really going on at X'Y' and Z's Universities organ departments, and just be down right ugly and un-Christian...yet be the very ones at the front door on Sunday Morning smiling at their pastors/bosses as they are to be sainted. That's not what this is for. It's to promote goodness in the field and to talk about things that are related to it. One lister emailed me off-list and told me, with some of the actions that us younger organists see the older ones doing, it's no wonder why we have a hard time finding genuine, non-judgemental, caring, smiling, true people to share the profession and it's concersn with and to encourage us to fill THEIR shoes in several years. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Mendelssohn's version of Bach's St. Matthew .. News from PlaybillArts.com From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:25:19 -0500   Greetings, all,   >Pat M. thought you would be interested in this News Article on playbillarts.com: Yes, she did.. ;-) >Roger Norrington Revives Rare Mendelssohn Version of Bach's "St. Matthew Passion"   >Roger Norrington and the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment will reconstruct Felix Mendelssohn=92s version of Bach=92s "St. Matthew = Passion" next month, the London Guardian reports.   > http://www.playbillarts.com/news/article/1269.html   >Here's what Pat M. had to say about this News Article: Might any of our UK correspondents be able to attend this event Saturday, February 5? at Royal Festival Hall, if I remember correctly...   I wonder if conductor Roger N. will insist upon a continuo pipe organ.   http://www.playbillarts.com   Cheers from the Hudson Valley, where it did not snow today,   Pat Maimone AGO Regional Convention - Poughkeepsie, NY for Regions II and III June 22 - 25, 2005 Headquarters: the Grand Hotel http://www.chvago.org  
(back) Subject: Re: UGH From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 23:36:42 EST   I understand your frustrations. The one thing you must understand in this profession is "We're not all =   like that!" Many of us are kind, caring professionals who are troubled by the ones =   who are not!     Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: Humor From: "Randall Smith" <lrlr@knology.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 00:34:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   We had a pastor once who had a favorite joke, most of you have probably heard.=0D =0D Q: What's the difference between a Terrorist and a Church Organist?=0D =0D A: You can negotiate with the Terrorist!=0D =0D =0D =0D Randall Smith
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Lowered music rack From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:54:33 +0800     There is a regional company near us, TAP Plastics, (http://www.tapplastics.= com/) that will custom manufacture one-off items like this at a reasonable = cost. I've had them do a music desk for a piano, a lecturn, and artist pain= ter's pallets. I'm sure they'll give a quote if you supply a sketch or line= drawing with measurements. Many colors are available.   There are probably similar shops in your area.       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>   > Can the hardware on the rack just be unscrewed and installed on a=20 > new piece of plexiglass that you can buy and have cut at a local=20 > lumberyard? You might even wish to modify the amount of drop that=20 > it provides while you are at it. It would be faster and cheaper=20 > than buying a new one. > Kip in Missouri > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Elliffe   > I want to replace a broken Plexiglas music rack that hooks over your r= egular > rack and lowers your music to a comfortable position- I can't=20 > find the dealer that I bought it from- > My c card just lists Walkrite Bloomington MN- It cost 54.95 in=20 > 2000- Can anyone possibly shed some light on this rack- it worked=20 > beautifully for me until someone broke it yesterday- Thanks for any=20 > info in advance. > Joe       -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: Composer and Chorale Info (x post) From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:23:52 +0800   Voor vader en moeder, "For Father and Mother", I would think is a dedicatio= n. Not much bigraphical information seems to be available on him.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> =20 > All I can tell you is that he is Dutch (which I imagine you had already > figured out) and that he was born in 1928. =20 > John Speller =20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>   > > Can anyone please lead me to information (in English) on the composer P= iet > Rippen? I am doing his "Partita on a Passion Chorale" for a noon-time > recital in early March. > > > > The chorale seems to be "VOOR VADER EN MOEDER". Can anyone tell me what > this chorale is, provide a text, origin, etc, etc?   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm