PipeChat Digest #5131 - Monday, January 31, 2005
 
Re: Off-topic help needed
  by "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com>
Re: Practice WAS Quality of Organ Music in America!!!
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Off-topic help needed
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
composer Joseph Guy Ropartz
  by <RSiegel920@aol.com>
Re: Off-topic help needed
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Re: Practice WAS Quality of Organ Music in America!!!
  by "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Off-topic help needed
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Human Behavior
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
The  H.M.H.S. Britannic
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
"Why Catholics Can't Sing"
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: [Org_Specs_Real_Imaginary] FW: Human Behavior
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Pipe Organ web database advice?
  by "Don Sizemore" <dls@metalab.unc.edu>
Re: Pipe Organ web database advice?
  by "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com>
Re: Pipe Organ web database advice?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Organs and Organists Online welcomes Devon Hollingsworth
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
Re:Off topic-Hammond
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Sub needed Feb. 20 Philly area
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Quotes from the VF himself
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Pipe Organ web database advice?
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Organ and hymns
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: Organ and hymns
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: "Why Catholics Can't Sing" & more
  by <Seedlac@aol.com>
Re: "Why Catholics Can't Sing" & more
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: Organ and hymns
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic help needed From: "Andy Lawrence" <andy@ablorgans.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:13:00 -0500   We've talked about Hammond organs in here before... nothing off-topic = about that (I don't think?). This is for pipe and electronic organs. I suppose =   you could argue the Hammond is neither...   Andy   A.B.Lawrence Pipe Organ Service PO Box 111 Burlington, VT 05402 (802)578-3936 Visit our website at www.ablorgans.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice WAS Quality of Organ Music in America!!! From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:34:38 EST   >Speaking of practice... >How many people have access to small, useful practice organs? >(Particularly in the university environment)   All that is needed to practice is an organ with good action and a couple = of 8' stops. One doesn't need anything more to learn notes. Yes, it's nice = to be able to practice piston changes and swell shoe movements, BUT those are = not needed when you're just learning. Most universities have small practice instruments of both tracker and electric actions to give their students access to both types of organs. I = know some schools that also have a digital organ in a practice, too. Let's face it, = we need to be exposed to them, too.   The university I went to had a Flentrop in the concert hall and a = Schlicker practice instrument. I usually practiced at my church because it was = closer to my apartment and I could get work done at the church, too. It just made = more sense for my life at the time.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic help needed From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:31:53 -0600   At 5:13 AM -0500 1/31/05, Andy Lawrence wrote: >We've talked about Hammond organs in here before... nothing off-topic = about >that (I don't think?). This is for pipe and electronic organs. I = suppose >you could argue the Hammond is neither...   Hammonds are not off-topic on this list as there are several people that I know who have them. The List Owner is a proud owner of a Hammond Model 'E'. <grin>   David  
(back) Subject: composer Joseph Guy Ropartz From: <RSiegel920@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:38:19 EST   I am seeking information on how to obtain a copy of Psalm 136 (1897) by Joseph Guy Ropartz, in either its vocal/piano/organ reduction or a full = score. I presume this was originally published in Paris by either Salabert or = Durand but cannot find the same in either of their catalogues. Any information = would be greatly appreciated. regards Dick Siegel  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic help needed From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:47:12 -0500   This is very true. This really isn't off topic as the bottom of each post states. However, there is also a Hammond Organ email list like this one where many knowledgeable people reside. I would try that one too although I am not sure of the URL. I am sure someone will post it soon. ;-)   Cheers, Mack   Will Light wrote:   >There is a newsgroup called alt.music.hammond-organ I think and the guys = on >there are pretty knowledgeable about all such matters and they are very >helpful too. > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Practice WAS Quality of Organ Music in America!!! From: "T.Desiree' Hines" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:42:03 -0800 (PST)   While at PLU, I had access to a wonderful little 3 rank organ with great action and nice clear sound. It was at that time that I learned that a place with plenty of these simple, smaller instruments for effective practice were of a higher interest to me.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic help needed From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:10:50 -0600   Here 'ya go! :-)   http://www.hamtech.org/list.htm     At 07:47 AM 1/31/2005, Mack wrote: >This is very true. This really isn't off topic as the bottom of each = post >states. However, there is also a Hammond Organ email list like this one >where many knowledgeable people reside. I would try that one too = although >I am not sure of the URL. I am sure someone will post it soon. ;-)      
(back) Subject: Human Behavior From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:11:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Dear List,=0D =0D This will be my final comment on the matter.=0D =0D You know, Sebastian is absolutely right, one can not accurately convey= or interpret emotion or tone of voice through text on a computer screen. I = say that the incapability of conveying such things is not an excuse for, but = a responsibility to the poster. Everything we type here is immediately bea= med throughout the world, for people we know, and do not know, to read. Ther= e are probably many silent readers of this list alone. Even though there a= re limitations in communicating emotion through E-mail, the instances of nas= ty fighting that remain in my mind leave no ambiguity as to their tone, or purpose.=0D =0D We own our words after we speak them. It would be a shame to stick ou= t in someone's mind for a momentary lapse of judgement.=0D =0D Thanks to modern technology, everyone else owns our words as well, now having them stored on their computers. There is a tremendous responsibil= ity that goes with this and other internet communication, particularly when t= his communication is woven into our profession.=0D =0D This is not the only list where this sort of thing takes place from ti= me to time. There was another MAJOR incident between two other people elsewhere that was positively ugly; and just a few short weeks ago. If someone believes for one moment, that this sort of activity isn't demoralizing, frustrating, and irritating - I don't know what to tell the= m.=20 I think it is safe to say that fighting and being nasty on the net, on various lists, have yet to gain any new fans to the pipe organ.=0D =0D The interesting thing is that this is really not so much a pipe organ issue as it is just a human decency issue. Earlier, I said briefly that this behavior could help kill off the organ - in truth it could kill off anything. What sort of human endeavor, save for pro wrestling, could benefit from such nastiness?=0D =0D Are we being good ambassadors for the pipe organ?=0D =0D If we turn off even one fan of the pipe organ through bad behavior, we have failed.=0D =0D - Nate
(back) Subject: The H.M.H.S. Britannic From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:57:08 -0500     "Ah yes...If I remember well,we also took some remains to the Calypso. At first we didn't know what they were. Some even said that were ammunitions, others were talking about pieces from the ship's pipelines. Later,we understood that they were the remains of the pipe organ."       For the rest of this interview see:   http://www.hospitalshipbritannic.com/nicolaidis_interview.htm       Mystery: Most Internet accounts say the pipe organ was never installed.     Anyone up to the challenge?     Or am I, as usual, blithely fumbling in the dark while everyone else knows all about this?     Jim  
(back) Subject: "Why Catholics Can't Sing" From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:30:04 -0800 (PST)   Has anyone read the book Why Catholics Can't Sing by Thomas Day? If not, I = recommend that list members that are Catholic or play in a Catholic Church = read this book. It is so informative and talks about the differences = between Protestant Churches and Catholic Churches. I don't know if there = has been a discussion about this book at any time, but I thought that I = might mention it for those who have not heard of it or read it. Like I = said, it is a must read for Catholics or those who play in a Catholic = Church. READ IT!!!!!!!!!!! (please!) ~Bernadette   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:52:22 EST   Hi all,   Do any of you work in situations where the congregation either rents or shares a building and instruments? Would you know what the building = rental fee is for the one congregation that is renting? We're trying to help a = congregation in our area determine if it might be feasible to pool resources to hire an =   organist for both congregations. Have any of you heard of this? Feel = free to email me privately. Thanks.   Devon Hollingsworth, In DeKalb, Illinois  
(back) Subject: Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:59:24 -0500   Devon:   Our area is replete with "Union Churches" where the building has been co-owned for over two centuries. Sometimes there are more than two congregation. I suppose the parsimonious Pennsylvania Germans saw this as a way to get a fine building and fine pipe organ for all to use in hundreds of little hamlets.   Try this:   http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&q=3D%22union+churches%22%2Bpenns= ylva nia&btnG=3DSearch       Jim       On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:52:22 EST Devon3000@aol.com writes: Hi all,   Do any of you work in situations where the congregation either rents or shares a building and instruments? Would you know what the building rental fee is for the one congregation that is renting? We're trying to help a congregation in our area determine if it might be feasible to pool resources to hire an organist for both congregations. Have any of you heard of this? Feel free to email me privately. Thanks.   Devon Hollingsworth, In DeKalb, Illinois
(back) Subject: Re: [Org_Specs_Real_Imaginary] FW: Human Behavior From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:01:51 -0500   Sorry, I try again:     On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:18:34 +0000 "steve b" <yfd44@hotmail.com> and THE SEB write:   >What sort of human endeavor, save for pro wrestling, >could benefit from such nastiness?     Well,   If my Junior High School Civics teacher was correct in saying we have the best government on earth, then apparently "The US Congress" would be an answer to the question / perhaps "British Parliament" to an even greater degree.     Jim
(back) Subject: Pipe Organ web database advice? From: "Don Sizemore" <dls@metalab.unc.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:45:54 -0500 (EST)     Good afternoon all,   Suppose your home state of North Carolina had no online listing of its pipe organs, and suppose you knew web and database programming. Suppose an ice "storm" (no laughing from those of colder climates) kept you indoors over the weekend, and you had begun to set up the database. What would you, as an organist, be interested in documenting about the instruments?   So far I have: --------------- Organ Builder Opus Organ Builder's Web Site Location of Instrument (Such and such church, Town Hall, etc) Location's Web Site (links to said church, town hall, etc) City (the scope of the site is within North Carolina) Year the instrument was built Number of manuals (would number of stops be pertinent?) Organ "Type" (Tracker / Electropneumatic / Digital / Hybrid) Organ "Genre" (Baroque, Romantic, or would this be better described according to nationality?) Builder + Opus as inique identifier (or some other made-up number if the builder doesn't use Opus)     This information is kept in the database and served in tabular format. A site patron could then click on any instrument in question to see a more elaborate page containing pictures, stop lists, any historical information, and links to other pages about the instrument. I want this instrument "metadata" in the database so that patrons could easily sort by City, Organ Builder, etc.   What do you all think? I'm just batting this around in my head.   p.s. Am I reinventing the wheel? I couldn't find any lengthy listings of instruments in North Carolina...   Thank you, Donald Sizemore  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ web database advice? From: "Adrianne Schutt" <maybe@pipcom.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:31:54 -0500   At 02:45 PM 31/01/2005 -0500, Donald wrote: > What would you, as an organist, be interested in documenting about the > instruments? I think you've got a great handle on the project already, Donald.   It may not really be here nor there, but my 2c is that personally =   I'd like to see # of pipes included. It's a detail I've found useful for sparking interest in the uninitiated, because it's a very plain and concrete thing that anybody can grasp without specialized knowledge. Not that this makes it hugely useful to organists, but if the data is at hand and you're in that program anyway, it would be a nice thing to throw in.   Have fun! Ad ;->      
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ web database advice? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:12:27 +0000   On 1/31/05 7:45 PM, "Don Sizemore" <dls@metalab.unc.edu> wrote:   > This information is kept in the database and served in tabular format.   Design consultant(s) In regular use by any organists of particular note? Historic events with which it's associated? Preceded in this venue by what? Publications (written up in TAO, Diapason, denominational papers, etc.)   Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 05:00:42 +0800   While our congregation (www.deltaoaks.org) is in that situation; we are ren= ting the sanctuary/gymnasium and several class rooms from the Seventh Day A= dventist (http://www.antioch-sda.org/) church for our Sunday worship. I can= not tell you what the actual rental fee is, but I believe it is "below mark= et" for the factility. Regretablly, I see their Rodgers organ console, ampl= ifies, and speakers all but abandoned in one of the storage rooms that prov= ides access to the stage. We can, and do, use their Young Chang 6'x" grand.= Each Sunday I've taken on the added responsibility to remove the "Sunlight= " drumkit from public view, hiding it behind the 'acoustic curtains' on the= stage. Everything runs through a sound board ... the theater curtains on s= tage effectively kill the piano even though it is opened to project directl= y to the congregation. While I take my Alesis home, I do leave my amplifier= there with the implication that they are welcome to use it during their se= rvices.   The arrangement works well with an SDA church because they use their facili= ty for worship on Saturday. There is no logistical threat of worship servic= es overlapping.   We are committed to is leaving the space better than we found it. We have r= eplaced several worn cables, supplied a set of four matching music stands, = microphone stands (our assets, but available for their use) and worked with= their staff on a few repair jobs. Generally they are pleased with the arra= ngement and have given us more access to the facility over the time that we= 've rented space from them.   At the other end of the spectrum, growing up in New Hampshire, First Presby= terian (no website) and Westminster Presbyterian churches in Manchester wer= e bound by a common pastor and, I believe, organist. The churches had sever= al joint social functions, but never joined together as congregations. Firs= t was made up of mostly German families, Westmister mostly Scotish. While t= he churches were within a few miles of each other, they were on opposite ba= nks of the Merrimack River. Westminster has since become Amoskeag Orthodox = Presbyterian (http://www.amoskeagchurch.org/).     ----- Original Message ----- From: Devon3000@aol.com To: Pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:52:22 EST   > Hi all, >=20 > Do any of you work in situations where the congregation either rents or > shares a building and instruments? Would you know what the=20 > building rental fee is > for the one congregation that is renting? We're trying to help a congreg= ation > in our area determine if it might be feasible to pool resources to hire an > organist for both congregations. Have any of you heard of this? Feel fr= ee to > email me privately. Thanks. >=20 > Devon Hollingsworth, In DeKalb, Illinois   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Organs and Organists Online welcomes Devon Hollingsworth From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:02:36 +0200   Sydney Town Hall's 64' reed certainly attracted a good deal of attention - =   371 visitors in 2 days, the highest number recorded for a single file in such a period since we opened for business last July!       This week we welcome Devon Hollingsworth to the downloads page with performances of the Variations on "America" by Charles Ives and the fugue from Reubke's Sonata on the 94th psalm. These stirring performances were recorded on the 4 manual 120 stop Austin/Allen Organ in Christ Church, Oak =   Brook, Illinois where Devon is organist. http://www.cc-ob.org/staff/hollingswrth.htm I think this is the first occasion we have been given a recording of a "hybrid" instrument. Devon = has a good sized instrument in his home - he mentioned it on the list some = time back, and it is still viewable with a picture of the organ in the purpose built room in his home at   http://www.dekalb-chronicle.com/articles/2004/04/11/neighbors/neighbors01.t= xt       We have also added two pipe organ builders to the links page, the North Swedish firm of Gronlunds, who build instruments of outstanding quality. = You can visit their home page with text in English and Swedish. There is a gallery of photographs of their instruments, all tracker. Fascinating casework, beautifully carved decorations.   http://www.gronlunds-orgelbyggeri.se/gronlund.html       The second builder is the American firm Elsener organ works http://www.elsenerorganworks.com/   Another traditional craft pipe organ builder, situated on Long Island, New =   York, their site is well illustrated with photographs of their workshops, staff and instruments. To quote from their home page "Our work together is =   critical to the survival of the pipe organ. Each pipe organ saved is a small victory in our throwaway society."       John Foss   http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/ http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/       ..      
(back) Subject: Re:Off topic-Hammond From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:26:44 EST   Try hammond@zeni.net for Hammond help   Good luck!   Justin hartz  
(back) Subject: Sub needed Feb. 20 Philly area From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:30:35 -0500   Please let me know off-list if you are interested.   =20   pemmons@wcupa.edu   =20    
(back) Subject: Quotes from the VF himself From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:49:51 -0500   Hello, all. . . I know many of you have heard this from PIPORG already, but just to reach those who have not, if there is anyone out there with some quotes or memories of Virgil Fox , please email me off list. Thank you   -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ web database advice? From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:27:49 EST   In a message dated 1/31/2005 2:46:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dls@metalab.unc.edu writes:     p.s. Am I reinventing the wheel? I couldn't find any lengthy listings of instruments in North Carolina...   Thank you, Donald Sizemore Sand Lawn (in Monroe LA.) has a hugh data base of almost all the extant = pipe organs inthe continental US. His listings are done by location (City)f the =   Location (Ist Church) Builder, Opus Number, manuals and ranks disposition = and a notation if it is enlarged/rebuilt, and by whom. Generally speaking, he = is quite generous with these lists, and is always appreciative of updated = info on organs that have been moved/removed/changed or not previously listed.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Organ and hymns From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:08:02 -0500   Hi everyone,   I've been engaged in a discussion with one of my students who resolutely insists that in the Episcopal church, it's the choir that leads the hymns, not the organ. Since I have yet to attend any Episcopal church where this is evident, I thought I'd pose the question of you: just what/who leads the hymns in an Episcopal church? Are there liturgical documents to support your response? If so, please let me know where to find them.   Steve Best in Utica, NY    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ and hymns From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:49:57 EST   Steve,   You're clearly not "Organist and Choirmaster" or "Director of Music". From = my experience, it is the ORGAN which leads hymns, and the organist and choirmaster are one in the same. When they are not, the choirmaster and = the organist usually work in tandem, unless the Rector has it out for someone. Either = way, the ORGANIST sets the tempi for the hymns.   From my experience (and at my Parish), the congregation and Schola takes = my tempo. But I have a rarified experience, indeed.   Pax, Bill H. St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Why Catholics Can't Sing" & more From: <Seedlac@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:50:41 EST   Two other books on the same thread "Where have you gone Michelangelo", = also by Thomas Day and "Ugly as Sin" by Michael Rose. The Day book is similar = to the first book "Why Catholics Can't Sing" The Rose book is more on the changes = in church building design, not so much focused on Catholics. All three are a great read.   Steve Bartley Baltimore  
(back) Subject: Re: "Why Catholics Can't Sing" & more From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:59:04 EST   Why Catholics Can't sing:   Immigrants' Xenophobia, poor training in the Seminaries, and two American Centuries of Low Mass as the "standard". Oh, and not asking the very best = to compose for the Church in the aftermath of so-called "liturgical renewal". = Yikes. Standing proud and excommunicated,   --BH, Boston.  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ and hymns From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 19:51:39 -0600   Hello, Stephen, et al:   > I've been engaged in a discussion with one of my students who resolutely > insists that in the Episcopal church, it's the choir that leads the > hymns, not the organ. Since I have yet to attend any Episcopal church > where this is evident, I thought I'd pose the question of you: just > what/who leads the hymns in an Episcopal church?   Just a bit of trivia to mix into this question. . .   I am a Baptist, brought up in a tradition that invoked choral production that held The Westminster Choir College under John Finley Williamson in highest regard. We have the characteristic of using a "cheer leader" Minister of Music, who sets the congregational singing pace and mood by "conducting" them as well as the choir.   My Church Music professor advised all of us to get on friendly terms with the organsit, for, if the organ goes in a different pattern from that which we want to go while "directing" the congregation, the people in the pews will follow the organist every time.   During my privileged days to help lead some of our better choirs under the tutelage of one of our outstanding choral directors, I was urged to have the choir set the tempo and mood of the hymn in unison on the first stanza and sing parts on the middle stansas. On the last stanza we were to all sing melody again and allow the organist to improvise.   The lessons was well taken. I learned to save my voice and let the organ lead and support the congregation, with the choir carrying the heavy part of the job vocally for me.   I do not know wherefrom comes the tradition of following the organ, but I like it. It works for me.   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Congregations Sharing Resources, Including Organs From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:34:41 EST   In a message dated 1/31/05 12:53:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Devon3000@aol.com writes:   << Do any of you work in situations where the congregation either rents or =   shares a building and instruments? >>   You might want to look into the Interfaith Centers in Columbia, Maryland. =   When the city was designed, James Rouse did not want any independent = church buildings, so these Interfaith Centers were designed into the city plan. = I've been to occasional services and concerts in them, and don't think any have = a pipe organ. Where else could you find a Southern Baptist congregation, a = Reformed Jewish congregation, a Reconstructionist Jewish congregation, a = Metropolitan Community Church congregation, as well as assorted Lutheran, Roman = Catholic, and ethnic congregations together in one building.   Richard Spittel