PipeChat Digest #5435 - Saturday, July 2, 2005 How well's *GOOD* music? by "Colin Mitchell" <email@example.com> Re: the instrument is not to be sampled without the builder's express con by "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sampling by "Brad Richards" <email@example.com> Re: How would you rank "service" music... by "Mark" <firstname.lastname@example.org> RE: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? by "Randy Terry" <email@example.com> Re: Why a new organ... by <Justinhartz@aol.com> Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? by "Matthew N. Chegezy" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: the instrument is not to be sampled..... by <Justinhartz@aol.com> X Post off topic by "David Evangelides" <email@example.com> Re: PipeChat Tritle Recitle by <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: PipeChat ... rank service music ;-) by <email@example.com>
(back) Subject: How well's *GOOD* music? From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:18:26 -0700 (PDT) Hello, Did I really see it? Howells? True music? Troubled? The very name is enough to induce projectile vomiting. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK (Reaching for the smelling salts) --- Randy Terry <email@example.com> wrote: > Can we think about the kind of *GOOD* music most of > us on the list prefer? > > I remain troubled when I hear people speak of (snip) Howells,* etc, as being the only > *TRUE* music. ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: the instrument is not to be sampled without the builder's express consent From: "Colin Mitchell" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Hello, Sorry John, this is bunk! There are contractual agreements, and there are unfair contracts. I would have thought, that after centuries of "custom and practice," almost a century of musical reproduction and a lengthy period of broadcasting, any attempt to impose unfair terms associated with a MUSICAL instrument which is meant to be heard, often is, and which will inevitably get recorded and stored digitally, is stretching the envelope of "reasonableness" a bit far. Anyway, I would suggest that some brave soul has a go at making a stand for organ-builder's intellectual property. We can have a whip-round when it all goes pear-shaped. Regards, Colin Mitchell UK --- "John L. Speller" <email@example.com> wrote: > As a condition of the sale you make > the customer sign a > contract saying that the instrument may not be > sampled without the builder's > express consent, and then a customer who breaks this > contract can be sued > for breach of contract. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
(back) Subject: Sampling From: "Brad Richards" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 04:34:19 +0000 Just like you tell Microsoft you wont use any MS product I assume..... 'If any organ-builder tried to impose any clauses at all, I'd soon be telling him what to do with his product! Regards, Colin Mitchell UK' I am sorry but as an organ builder, I find it very easy to learn from = other builders, and have not encountered any type of secrecy that you imply. I feel I could ask Sebastion any day how I should build or design something and get a very very helpful answer. Same holds for any of the personnel = at Quimby, Nolte, Kegg, etc. etc.
(back) Subject: Re: How would you rank "service" music... From: "Mark" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:59:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) This could open a very interesting discussion beyond just the pipe organ.= I would think that most of us in this list are organist only, meaning we do not structure the music of worship, rather we play what we choose in cont= ext of what has been chosen. We are not organist/choirmasters/directors and/= or Ministers of Music. =0D =0D Is it our task to help bring a balance to the service musically? More an= d more in the non-Liturgical settings, we are facing a move by those who do make the choices for church/service music toward the "happy clappy" or contemporary music. It would be interesting to see how different members are dealing with that issue. =0D =0D I personally find myself being moved to a category of church instrumentalists rather than church organist, in the traditional sense. = By that I mean that the style of the music may lend itself to midi strings rather than the pipe organ string chorus. I am expected to make that shi= ft. =0D =0D Then there is the question regarding whether or not the pipe organ is tru= ly the "king" of instruments and whether or not I am organist enough to keep= it from being replaced by the inevitable stack of electronic keyboards. If = it cannot be used as part of the whole of accompaniment rather than the whol= e of accompaniment, then doesn't it become an unnecessary expense to the frugal church? =0D =0D I personally do believe that the Organ is the "king" and therefore can be= a just as valid and contributing as a part of rather than the only accompaniment. Therefore, I find no problem with those adjustments to be= ing a part of the Orchestral Ensemble for the morning service and the Praise Ensemble for evening service, being very selective with registrations to complement vs. being the leader (although sometimes interpretation requir= es the organ being the featured voice). =0D =0D Then comes the question of balance for congruent (blended) style worship/service music. Since today's church is a blended sociological gr= oup those charged with the responsibility of selecting worship/service music feel they must cater to all the groups represented. There are the Retire= es, the builders, the boomers, the bloggers, the born agains, the Gen X, the metrosexuals, etc., etc., all who view church, the relevance of church, t= he ministry of the church, the worship within and as the church, all from different perspectives. To top that off, all these groups which span generational age spectrums also span racial spectrums, with their ethnic diversities. Do we have an obligation as professional musicians to even = be concerned about the expectations of these various groups when we prepare = our service music, or do we just do our thing? Do we have an obligation to t= he older/senior members to provide something they find familiar and encourag= ing when the service/music is tilted to reach those skateboarders who find th= ere way into the service?=0D =0D I would really like to get feed-back from the list on these questions and how we perceive our ministry in light of them when it comes to selecting = the service music we are responsible to prepare and play.=0D =0D Desiree, your comment at the beginning "they get a blend" is one way to l= ook at it. I also think that you probably do work for a place that would lik= e to hear a Bach piece one Sunday and not mind having a "service" compositi= on the next. However, the Bach piece might not be one of those classified a= s one of the Masterworks, and the service composition may need to be intricately arranged. And try this one for the Easter postlude, Handel's= =20 Hallelujah." One of two things will happen, they will all stand around until you are finished, or they will show you just how little they respec= t your effort to place the selection liturgically correct.=0D =0D Regards,=0D =0D Mark Gilbert=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Desiree'=0D Date: 07/01/05 19:36:36=0D To: PipeChat=0D Subject: Re: How would you rank "service" music...=0D =0D At my church, they get a blend. One Sunday I may do a piece of standard repertoire that I have learned as prelude, and not be ashamed to rip out = a good old Hymn tune arrangement my Robert Hobby, Miss Bish or Don Hustad a= s postlude. I think one is able to play an organ to its gfull advantge doi= ng any pieces of musical taste. "The Parish Organist" is something tha tI h= ave never really used or even thought to purchase.=0D =0D I for one prefer to work for a place that would like to hear a Bach piece one sunday and not mind having a "service" composition the next.=0D =0D WHile there are publishers that crank out just anything, there are those that have good quality pieces and collections. I think my least favorite = is. =2Ewell...I wil keep that off the list.=0D =0D My only challenge will be this...getting a church used to hearing the Wid= or Toccata at CHRISTMAS as the postlude on Christmas Eve, and another piece = as Postlude on Easter Sunday.=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------=0D Do you Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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(back) Subject: RE: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: "Randy Terry" <email@example.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 21:47:28 -0700 I assume it was stylistic reasons, the church can probably afford it or a single donor came forth... Randy Terry -----Original Message----- From: firstname.lastname@example.org On Behalf Of Karl Moyer Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:12 PM The new issue of _the Diapason_ that arrived today carries a cover picture and related article about a new tracker at Bryn Mawr Presbyterian that replaces the Rieger of about 30 years ago. What was wrong with the = Rieger?
(back) Subject: Re: Why a new organ... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:03:59 EDT Why a new organ at Bryn Mawr (or anywhere else)? Let's look at it from a historical perspective. Perhaps it is because fashions change. Consider a wonderful the E.M. Skinner organ which was brought "up to = date" by G. Donald Harrison.... Which was then rebuilt with tonal changes by Moller.... To which was added new principal chorus made up of imported pipes by your = friendly local organbuilder.... Next comes a new console with 400 levels of memory and the judicious addition of digital "ranks" by.... Perhaps nobody has said it clearer than Nelson Barden: "Fashion wears out = more organs than playing ever will." Cheers, Justin Hartz
(back) Subject: Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: "Matthew N. Chegezy" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:07:18 -0400 Karl: From the time the original Rieger was installed, there were problems inherent in its design. The action was unmusically heavy (described by some as "like driving a Mack truck"), and in the last 20 years it had undergone revoicing and many modifications. Having played both the old Rieger and the new one, the improvement is astounding. To say the previous instrument was ineffective would be an understatement, as the design was more of an historical statement than one appropriate to the needs of the church. Even the visual design of the case was inappropriate to the architecture of the building. A more realistic outlook re: defenses would be that any well-designed and well conceived organ, regardless of the type of action will last a long time. This simply was not the case with the 1975 Rieger. BMPC maintains an excellent website with details of their music program, including the organs. http://www.bmpc.org/finearts/ I'm certain Jeffrey Brillhart, their director of music would be happy to answer any questions you may have about the organ. He can be reached at: firstname.lastname@example.org Matthew Chegezy P. S. With reference to Neil's comment about stewardship, the idea of stewardship is something that is uniquely implemented in each church. Bryn Mawr Pres., as one of the country's most affluent churches (if not the most), is certainly entitled to apply stewardship as their financial resources allow! (Feel free to fwd this to lists at your discretion.) On Jul 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Karl Moyer wrote: > The new issue of _the Diapason_ that arrived today carries a cover > picture and related article about a new tracker at Bryn Mawr > Presbyterian that > replaces the Rieger of about 30 years ago. What was wrong with the > Rieger? > > This kind of action makes more difficult the defense of a new > tracker on > the claim that it will last a long time. > > Karl E. Moyer > Lancaster PA > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> >
(back) Subject: Re: the instrument is not to be sampled..... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 01:10:17 EDT >I don't notice Yamaha or Steinway complaining about >digital pianos, or discussing lawsuits and "theft" of >intellectual property. They probably have better >things to do, such as making better instruments than >their competitors, and selling a few on the way." Perhaps this is because classical pianists would never think of = performing on a "digital" piano. Isn't it funny - I thought all pianos were played with your digits :) Cheers, Justin Hartz
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(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Tritle Recitle From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:25:12 -0400 >Subject: Tritle on The Cape - 6-24-05 >From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <email@example.com> Dang! Yet another reason to get our of PhloriDuh!!! What a wonderful evening that must have been. Thanks for the review. The organ sure is beautiful and the spec is one that would be soooooooooooooo easy to live with on a day -to-day basis. For those who haven't seen it, visit: http://www.mander-organs.com/leader.html Yummy! >J. S. Bach: An Wasserflussen Babylon (BWV 653), this played >on three stops, which Kent explained and demonstrated. The >cantus (in tenor) was the 8' Open Diapason, the perfect >sound. The accompaniment was on the Swell Stopped >Diapason, which was also coupled to the Pedal 16' Bourdon. I love hearing this kind of playing in recitals, and "AWB" is a wonderful piece. I enjoy using it on "babtism" days and it's especially effective for the "babdisses" since our pool is up-front and center, AND FULL! >Kent offered to conduct a vote by show of hands, concerning >what sort of encore people would like! What a great idea. I especially like the choice of the 4' Flute. I remember one of the British recitalists at St. John's Cathedral - Jacksonville FL, ending a huge bombastic recital program with a cute little flourish piece on a lone 4' flute. Everyone left whistling! I hope the Barnstable Mander gets recorded soon. Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow... Bruce and the Baskerbeagles HowlingAcres http://www.baskerbeagles.com Natural products for pets & people http://www.naturalzone.biz
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat ... rank service music ;-) From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 04:32:32 -0400 Subject: Re: How would you rank "service" music... From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> > For "service" music I generally play organ literature. > My church is proud of their pipe organ, and they hired >me to play it to its full advantage. An excellent point. That was one of the main points of my hiring at First Baptist - Gainesville FL. These folks love their organ and they want to hear all of it. Not only am I trying to accomplish that desire, but also the ongoing expression of a very important memorial gift. >even one of George Shearing's transcriptions of Gospel >Hymns. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... not familiar with these. Can you share some descriptive information.... titles, style, mood, registration, etc. Thanky! >"Chorale Variations on 'On Eagle's Wings' for the >Liturgically Offended". (Don't tell me, someone's probably >published this already!) Sigh..... just think of what Ellen Jane could have done to, er... with that!! ;-) Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow... Bruce and the Baskerbeagles HowlingAcres http://www.baskerbeagles.com Natural products for pets & people http://www.naturalzone.biz