PipeChat Digest #5438 - Sunday, July 3, 2005
 
Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.?
  by <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: How disturbing
  by <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Sampling?
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@comcast.net>
Dance motif
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Sampling?
  by <keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.?
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: How disturbing
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.?
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.?
  by <rredman@imagin.net>
RE: Sampling?
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
maybe good stewardship
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
RE: maybe good stewardship
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:15:59 -0500 (CDT)   > Now, I am curious, Jim. How much stress can a tracker pendulum actually get? Roy Redman     > On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:36:45 -0500 Larry Wheelock <llwheels@mac.com> > writes: >> >> I wish to lay some basis for the esteemed Dr. Moyer to understand >> why >> Bryn Mawr Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania would >> replace >> its 30-year-old Reiger organ so soon after its installation. > > > > Dear List: > > Mr. Wheelock is better than 95% accurate in everything he spelled out in > his response. > > I was half of the two-man team continuously involved in the warranty = work > at Bryn Mawr during the 70's. I know the instrument's problems from the > inside, and was privy to a lot of what JVGG had to say about it behind > the scenes. (I still have several boxes full of action parts that we > replaced because they were breaking under the stress! We actually > replaced EVERY square and tracker pendulum in the entire organ!) ** > > The most amazing aspect of this thread is the sheer number of = respondents > who wrote, in an authoritative tone, what the reasons were, and they = were > all wrong! > > This list is continuously cheapened by the ranting of those with "False > Authority Syndrome," but then, it seems the whole world is. I really > love mankind, it is the people I can't stand. (Well, at least a whole = lot > of them) > > > Jim > > > ** I am an inveterate pack-rat, as if you couldn't tell. > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: How disturbing From: <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:21:14 -0500 (CDT)     >   Jim wrote:   > " I believe > that the digital instrument will put the poor quality builders out of > business, leaving only the best in operation." > > I wish I could agree, Jim, but think again of the fine builders we have seen go down, while hacks flourish. They will always be with us, I am afraid! Roy Redman > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Sampling? From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 15:24:21 -0600   Jerry Richer wrote:   > ... When the electronic organ is played we hear the sound > of the pipe organ that originally made the sound.   Not really. The sampling is normally done from up close, with the room ambience completely eliminated. When played back the samples will be altered according to the acoustics of the room, and there will be hardly a hint of what the source organ(s) sounded like in their native = environment.   Mac Hayes Riverton, UT    
(back) Subject: Dance motif From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:23:21 -0500   The pastors at my church are swearing off the Lectionary for July and = August and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a guide in selecting scripture and in preaching.   I should like suggestions from list members on organ music that might fit, however loosely, the theme of dry bones or dancing--particularly the = latter. I don't think the dances written by Alain are what I'm after. One of the pieces I'm playing this Sunday is Dance by C. Alexander Peloquin, which I think works very well. Also, if there are good settings of the spiritual "Dry Bones," please let me know.   Many thanks, Bob Lind        
(back) Subject: Re: Sampling? From: <keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 18:29:07 -0400   Hi all MOST SAMPLING is now done at 3 places---at the pipe, in the chamber and in = the room.......thus giving the sample acoustical properties of the room in = which it sings on an every day basis. we indeed hear the sound but the = result is of course not necessarily the same due to everything as stated. sampling has come a LONG way...... it will never be PIPES. dale back in sunny Florida after a wonderful week with the NPM crowd in = less than spectacular Milwaukee although nice organs including an Apse = organ from some company down south..........   > ... When the electronic organ is played we hear the sound > of the pipe organ that originally made the sound. .. The sampling is normally done from up close, with the room ambience = completely eliminated. = ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:40:41 EDT   I want to apologize for my inappropriate remark regarding "stewardship", inasmuch as I posted it without knowing much detail.   Happy 4th everyone!   Neil by the Bay  
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:43:38 -0400   How about Gaston Litaize, Pr=E9lude et danse fugu=E9e Calvin Hampton, Five Dances   Randy Runyon     On Jul 2, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Robert Lind wrote:   > The pastors at my church are swearing off the Lectionary for July =20 > and August > and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a guide in selecting > scripture and in preaching. > > I should like suggestions from list members on organ music that =20 > might fit, > however loosely, the theme of dry bones or dancing--particularly =20 > the latter. > I don't think the dances written by Alain are what I'm after. One =20 > of the > pieces I'm playing this Sunday is Dance by C. Alexander Peloquin, =20 > which I > think works very well. Also, if there are good settings of the =20 > spiritual > "Dry Bones," please let me know. > > Many thanks, > Bob Lind > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:49:50 -0400   Also: Robert Elmore, Rhumba   Randy Runyon     On Jul 2, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Robert Lind wrote:   > The pastors at my church are swearing off the Lectionary for July > and August > and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a guide in selecting > scripture and in preaching. > > I should like suggestions from list members on organ music that > might fit, > however loosely, the theme of dry bones or dancing--particularly > the latter. > I don't think the dances written by Alain are what I'm after. One > of the > pieces I'm playing this Sunday is Dance by C. Alexander Peloquin, > which I > think works very well. Also, if there are good settings of the > spiritual > "Dry Bones," please let me know. > > Many thanks, > Bob Lind > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: How disturbing From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:01:29 -0400     On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:21:14 -0500 (CDT) rredman@imagin.net writes: > > > > > Jim wrote: > > > " I believe > > that the digital instrument will put the poor quality builders out > of > > business, leaving only the best in operation." > > > > I wish I could agree, Jim, but think again of the fine builders we > have > seen go down, while hacks flourish. They will always be with us, I > am > afraid! > Roy Redman     Roy:   I believe that a good builder, building quality instruments for his proper niche in the market (as long as that niche still exists) will put the crappy builders out of business.   Good builders do go out of business, but not for building quality instruments in their market niche. Usually they go down for poor business practice, partner fights etc. Sometimes there are too many queen bees and not enough worker bees.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:55:48 -0400     On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:15:59 -0500 (CDT) rredman@imagin.net writes: > > Now, I am curious, Jim. How much stress can a tracker pendulum > actually > get? > Roy Redman     Roy:   Actually, very little. They were replaced because the moment arm did not match that of the replacement squares.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Why New Organ at Bryn Mawr Presb.? From: <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:09:10 -0500 (CDT)   > OK, that's different, isn't it? Roy > On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:15:59 -0500 (CDT) rredman@imagin.net writes: >> > Now, I am curious, Jim. How much stress can a tracker pendulum >> actually >> get? >> Roy Redman > > > Roy: > > Actually, very little. They were replaced because the moment arm did = not > match that of the replacement squares. > > > Jim > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Sampling? From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 11:44:39 +1200   >> ... When the electronic organ is played we hear the sound >> of the pipe organ that originally made the sound.   >Not really. The sampling is normally done from up close, with the room >ambience completely eliminated. When played back the samples will be >altered according to the acoustics of the room, and there will be hardly >a hint of what the source organ(s) sounded like in their native environment.   Even apart from the fact that even the very bestest possible loudspeakers = do not give anything like an exact representation of the original pipes = ayway.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:32:30 -0400   At the risk of shameless self-promotion -- give a listen to my "Dance" at http://evensongmusic.net/audio/LeahDance.mp3. It's easy, fun, and has been very well received. The score is available at http://www.evensongmusic.net/   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Robert Lind wrote:   >The pastors at my church are swearing off the Lectionary for July and = August >and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a guide in selecting >scripture and in preaching. > >I should like suggestions from list members on organ music that might = fit, >however loosely, the theme of dry bones or dancing--particularly the = latter. >I don't think the dances written by Alain are what I'm after. One of the >pieces I'm playing this Sunday is Dance by C. Alexander Peloquin, which I >think works very well. Also, if there are good settings of the spiritual >"Dry Bones," please let me know. > >Many thanks, >Bob Lind > > > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:05:53 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Dance music?   Well, there's the Gigue Fugue of course, and I reckon with MIDI or a bit of ingenuity, you could work "Dry Bones" into it!!!!!!!!!!!!   (Well, I could mentally get it to fit for a while, but the leg bones got disconnected from the finger bones at some point)   Bossi's "Giga" is fun too.   More seriously, the Biblical Dances by Petr Eben are excellent, but may take time to learn, even at Quick Step tempo.   What's that thing by Bervellier....very jazzy...."Mouvemente" or something French like that....is it in print or not?   If you are a supreme virtuoso with unlimited time and talent, there's always the Lemare transcription of "Danse Macabre" ....good luck with that.   My personal favourite would be a piano/organ rendering of "The Elephant" from the "Carnival of the animals" which saves endless hours of practise if you have a reasonable pedal technique......I'm always one for the fastrack/shortcut approach if I can get away with it.   I'd personally take the day off and employ a theatre organist as sub for the day.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     ---> On Jul 2, 2005, at 6:23 PM, Robert Lind wrote: > > > The pastors at my church are swearing off the > Lectionary for July > > and August > > and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a > guide in selecting > > scripture and in preaching. > > > > I should like suggestions from list members.....     ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: maybe good stewardship From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:41:42 -0700   Enjoyed Mr. Wheelock's information.   I've thought about the stewardship issue, and I started wondering - if the original BMPC organ was a reflection of its time, and scholarship has indicated that a more moderate tonal balance is in order even in = historical examples, then how is it bad stewardship to replace an instrument that has been yanked and pulled and tugged, and still the problems can't be = addressed satisfactorily?   Mr. Gluck is right - we are talking from both ends at once. On one end we expound the virtue of offering our best to the Creator, and on the other = end we blow smoke because an institution has the financial ability to offer = what is best!   If the Reiger firm was able to partially underwrite the replacement = because of perceived design flaws in their original product, then that seems to = show very good stewardship on the church's part. I commend the church and the firm for continuing to work together to create what certainly looks like a magnificent instrument!   Just something to think about...   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California          
(back) Subject: RE: maybe good stewardship From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 18:51:02 -0700   I would like to add that my comments result from numerous posts I have = read (or stated myself) about various subjects of this nature.   They are not aimed at an individual.   Thanks!   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California