PipeChat Digest #5441 - Monday, July 4, 2005
 
Re: Organ pipes are firewood? Limerick alert
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5440 - 07/03/05
  by <vdavidbarton@verizon.net>
honesty in labeling.
  by "Dennis Steckley" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Dance motif (X post)
  by "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com>
Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
What about pipe organ builders recycling older stops
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: honesty in labeling.
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Seeking teacher info . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: What about pipe organ builders
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5440 - 07/03/05
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: honesty in labeling.
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Dance motif
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Organ pipes are firewood? Limerick alert From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 18:58:45 -0500   I haven't been following the thread here but have been glancing at the subject lines and need some relief from composing. So, apropos nada, wir haben:   An organ maintainer for hire Threw ranks of old pipes on a fire; The thirty-two bass Tried pleading their case, But his speech was so slow he's a fryer.   Mit apologies to pipes everywhere in need of a spokesperson,   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Organ pipes are firewood?     > Hello, > > Im definitely going out to the pub, but I have this > wooden flute pipe that got run over by a truck. > > Can anyone restore it, or should I light the fire with > it? > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK (being unusually provocative!) > > > > --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote: > > > Any organ builders worth their salt can > > restore pipework even > > when it has been torn or squashed completely flat.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5440 - 07/03/05 From: <vdavidbarton@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:13:01 -0400   > Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5434 - 07/01/05 > From: "Robert Carl Patterson" <rcpatt@socal.rr.com> > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 14:53:01 -0700 > > As a point of reference, Schulmerich carillons sells all their > instruments > "not for commercial use" > > Bob Patterson > Patterson and Associates >       Huh? That's wacky! I would assume that virtually all of Schulmerich's customers are churches, and if a church isn't, in a sense at least, a "business," I can't imagine what it would be.    
(back) Subject: honesty in labeling. From: "Dennis Steckley" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:24:09 -0500   Most organs that have been around for more than a few decades have at least been rebuilt and often considerably changed-not always, of course, for the better. But don't most builders who reuse substantial amounts of pipework and or chests and console from the previous instrument retain the original nameplate on the console as well as placing their own? I've seen many pipe organs like that, and it seems to me to be a desirable practice. Of course, with even entire organs subcontracted to other builders (which was very common with theatre organs), whose organ is it really? Or, if I buy a bunch of parts from OSI, Stinken, Schopp, etc., and assemble it into an organ, building nothing myself, am I not an "assembler" and not a builder? Dennis Steckley For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God.  
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif (X post) From: "Pat Maimone" <patmai@juno.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:24:46 -0400   Dear Bob and List,   Back from a trip to the Veterans Hospital in the Bronx Saturday PM to see list member Alan Freed. Please keep him in your prayers.   Bach's Prelude in C Major (the 9/8) always sounds like a dance to me. Try it.   Perhaps Nigerian composer Fela Sowande who set "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho" for organ might have a setting of "Dry Bones"..   There is a wonderful setting of "Ezekiel Saw the Wheel" for SSAATTBB choir.. probably arranged by William Dawson.. He may also have a version of "Dry Bones".. Enjoy the rest of the Independence Day weekend!   From the slightly cooler and less humid Hudson Valley, where we had a wedding in the late afternoon on Friday just before the thunderstorm and another wedding on Sunday afternoon,   Pat Maimone patmai AT juno.com -- Pat Maimone Organist and Dir of Music, St. Mary's in the Highlands Cold Spring, NY 10516  
(back) Subject: Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:10:24 EDT   In a message dated 07/03/05 8:25:15 PM, kzrev@rr1.net (Dennis Steckley) writes:   "Or, if I buy a bunch of parts from OSI, Stinken (sic), Schopp, etc., and assemble it into an organ, building nothing myself, am I not an = "assembler" and not a builder? Dennis Steckley For I am possessed... >>   That depends. But one thing that definitely has to stop is the epidemic of subtle insult regarding those who purchase components from supply houses. A bit = of simple logic, untainted by agenda, can determine who is an "assembler" and who is = an artist. Many people (save Colin Mitchell) are admirers of the work of Aristide =   Cavaille-Coll's output. The fact that the instruments were built in = abundance, with the assistance of machinery manned by a large staff, and voiced and finished by men other than Cavaille-Coll himself does not make his output = any less significant, or any less beautiful to those who do not flippantly = disparage it. The concept, the scales, the aesthetic of the era, owe much to his genius. Did the shop build their reeds or get them from a reed pipe maker? = Were the most breathtaking reeds bearing his firm's name voiced by him, or by a =   German, whose name is unknown to most? Maybe a bit of reading is in order. Just how many pipes and windchests did G. Donald Harrison make? None. = He subcontracted the work that bares his signature nameplate to the artists = and artisans at Aeolian-Skinner. Does that make him less pivotal? When you contract with an organbuilder to craft a pipe organ for you, = it is usually for two things: first and foremost the sound, and secondly, the =   quality of the materials and craftsmanship. Do you want the man whose pipe = tone you admire so much to make your keyboards, or do you want him to order = them from somebody who makes keyboards all day, every day, with precision, = experience, and focus? Do you REALLY care whether or not he casts his own pipe metal, or are = you most concerned that HE is the one scaling, voicing, and finishing the = pipes? If he's a great voicer and finisher, believe me, he knows who will build = the best pipes for him, and consequently, for YOU. Yes, there ARE "assemblers" who put the parts together and leave. = Nobody is forced to sign a contract with such people, yet they do it anyway. = People will shop all over the internet and invest in various consumer reports = before purchasing a lawnmower or a dishwasher. Amazing, isn't it? As several = other list members have stated, good builders CAN survive, but they cannot = prevent bad decisions on the part of purchasers. With uncannily rare exception, practically every organ you have heard, =   played, or lauded as an artistic triumph contains parts made by people and =   companies other than the name on the nameplate. That also goes for all the perfectly adequate pipeless instruments so desperately craved by so many people. How many times have we seen listers = say, "Since 1992 the Hyperion XP-10 from Alvin has been made by Discount of the =   Netherlands, but Foghorn-Gilhooey is really made by the Bjoornklin Group = of Enkenkankino, Finland, who was bought out by the NFL in 1994, except for = their Vader Voice Module, which is made by Drakes Cakes." Laukhuff has been around since 1823.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 21:33:28 -0500   I have long suspected as much but was never able to prove it. All my = months of Googling were for naught. But now ....   One question, however: Is the NFL in this case the Nederlandischer Flentropischer Liscentium rather than the National Football League?   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling     > "Since 1992 the Hyperion XP-10 from Alvin has been made by Discount of = the > Netherlands, but Foghorn-Gilhooey is really made by the Bjoornklin Group of > Enkenkankino, Finland, who was bought out by the NFL in 1994, except for their Vader > Voice Module, which is made by Drakes Cakes." > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City    
(back) Subject: What about pipe organ builders recycling older stops From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 22:44:17 -0400   Pipechatters,   Randy said, "What musician of any sort would rightly get up and say they can't tell a difference between pipe and digital?"   We need to be careful about this kind of statement. I remember someone on this list telling about an AGO meeting in which the audience was asked to determine whether a stop was pipe or digital - and the trained organists = got it right only about 50% of the time.   Keith       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.8/37 - Release Date: 7/1/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: honesty in labeling. From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I hope everyone realises that organ-building is one of the earliest examples of globalisation.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Dennis Steckley <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote:   ........if I buy a bunch of parts from OSI, Stinken, > Schopp, etc., and > assemble it into an organ, building nothing myself, > am I not an > "assembler" and not a builder?     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 20:10:58 -0500   Robert Lind wrote:   >The pastors at my church are swearing off the Lectionary for July and = August >and will use Tony Evans' "Dry Bones Dancing" as a guide in selecting >scripture and in preaching. > >I should like suggestions from list members on organ music that might = fit, >however loosely, the theme of dry bones or dancing--particularly the = latter. > > Don't know why I didn't think of it earlier, but I didn't;   Vaclav Nehlybel, "Trois danses litrugiques (Based on Te Deum)". / /I'd guess long since out of print; publisher was General Music Publishing of Hastings-on-Hudson, NY; sole distributer was G. Schirmer. Copyright was 1966.   ns  
(back) Subject: Seeking teacher info . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 20:45:09 -0500   As usual, I am up to no good. Among my simple googling, I did not get the answers I was seeking, except for a million recipes for gazpacho.   I am looking for the organ teachers of:   Vernon de Tar, and Russell Saunders.   I presumed some of you students of theirs would know this off the tip of your tongues.   Forgive the inconvenience, thanks, and play on through.     Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: What about pipe organ builders From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:34:32 EDT   Randy and listers- You've hit upon one of my pet peeves. Organbuilders should always be honest about giving credit when credit = is due, and this should certainly be spelled out on the nameplate for all to =   see. For example: M.P. Moller opus 6SN7, rebuilt and enlarged by the Big Organ Company or Open Diapason organ Co. opus 12AU7 incorporating ranks from E.M. Skinner opus 6BQ5 To me, this approach is honest and honorable, and gives a visiting artist = an idea of what he or she is likely to hear. Besides, I've played quite a few "new" organs where the recycled pipework =   was far superior to the new ranks :) Cheers, Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5440 - 07/03/05 From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 01:41:44 EDT   Is pipechat being recycled? There seems to be an echo here. Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:00:51 -0700   Someone mentioned this tune on one of the lists, and I got inspired...   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/OrwigSpirituals-DemBones.mp3   (well, you make the call whether it's inspiration or not!)   Now I'm thinking of others to write.... gotta do a collection of 4 or 5 at least....   Enjoy   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ and Choral Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: RE: honesty in labeling. From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:30:07 +1200   >But don't most builders who reuse substantial amounts of pipework and or chests and console from the previous instrument retain the original nameplate on the console as well as placing their own?   Not often, in my experience. I've seen wonderful (and important) labels removed from instruments by great builders like Norman & Beard, Bishop & Son, Bevington, Jardine, T.C.Lewis, you name it. And that, even when no pipework has been altered. >I've seen many pipe organs like that, and it seems to me to be a desirable practice.   Very much so. Sometimes, and I heartily recommend the practice, I've seen = a copy of the specification and the history of the instrument picture-framed and attached to the console where any passerby can read it. I wish this = was always done. Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:18:17 EDT   Might I suggest the Menuet from the Suite Gothique by Leon Boellmann? = Such a fun piece to play!