PipeChat Digest #5442 - Monday, July 4, 2005
 
RE: dis-honesty in labeling.
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Ebay Posting - An "Evil" Hammond Organ
  by "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net>
RE: What about pipe organ builders
  by "WmGrantChapman" <WmGrantChapman@msn.com>
Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Pipe repair vs replacement
  by "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net>
Re: Standing ovations and leftitifity at Organ Recitals
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lLEVITY at Organ Recitals
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Parisian Poets and Peasants
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Dance motif
  by "Dersch Bruce" <bedersch2001@yahoo.com>
Poetic justice
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: honesty in labeling
  by "Ned Benson" <nbenson@stjohnschurch.org>
Sampling (i know i thought we were through with this also.)
  by "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Smaller size version of last MP3
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Organ pipes are not waste (regarding pipe restoration now)
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: the instrument is not to be sampled without the builder's express con
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: RE: dis-honesty in labeling. From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 03:34:12 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Ross will like this!   I know a small two-manual tracker organ built by the now defunct, local organ-builder "Laycock & Bannister" here in Yorkshire.   It is built like a pocket-battleship, and has stood in the medieval "Lang Kirk o'Craven" at Kildwick since around 1870 or so.   Not so much an organ as a collection of pipes, it nevertheless does its' job admirably, and at least the Great Stopped Diapason is delightful. Mechanically it is wonderfully robust and workmanlike.....a sort of organist's Model-T Ford.   In the 1950's (I'm not sure exactly when, but it doesn't matter) it was re-built, but more in the manner of an overhaul, with no tonal changes.   The console nameplate still reads "Laycock & Bannister" all right, but above it is screwed a small, ivory tablet.   Only one company in the world could put the words on that tablet, which reads:-   IMPROVED BY HENRY WILLIS & SONS   They never lacked self-assurance did they?   The irony is, it still sounds as rough as ever.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   > > Not often, in my experience. I've seen wonderful > (and important) labels > removed from instruments by great builders like > Norman & Beard, Bishop & > Son, Bevington, Jardine, T.C.Lewis, you name it. And > that, even when no > pipework has been altered.       ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: honesty in labeling, honesty in libeling From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 04:11:40 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Sebastian obviously knows something most of the rest of us don't.....the identity of a German reed voicer involved in Cavaille-Coll instruments.   Well it can't be Schulze, of that we can be sure, but it's good to know that at least one person who may have been involved in the building of romantic French organs wasn't a peasant.   My words! It's at moments like this that the blue-collar men really show us up.   And the answer is, Sebastian?   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK   --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   >   ......Aristide Cavaille-Coll's output. The fact that > the instruments were built in abundance, > with the assistance of machinery manned by a large > staff, and voiced and > finished by men other than Cavaille-Coll himself > does not make his output any less > significant..... > Were the most breathtaking reeds bearing his firm's > name voiced by him, or by a > German, whose name is unknown to most? Maybe a bit > of reading is in order.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Ebay Posting - An "Evil" Hammond Organ From: "Phil Stimmel" <pca@sover.net> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:40:45 -0400   "We think this an F series? It has a built in Rotating Leslie (dual = speed) it all works and sounds great although our neighbour would disagree if it = we play it again at 5am he's ging to break down the door and beat us all to death and well yout know what it's like at that time in the morning after = a few beers. So basically you'll be saving our lives We don't even know = any songs but it's magic organ and after a few drinks it convinces us we're richard clayderman and encourages us to play at full volume. It's not that we like our neightbour and we're not scared of him but we don't want to = kill anyone. It is possible the organ's possessed my flatmate had a seance and = we think he may of summoned a being from another plane who would like nothing more than to turn our flat into the ammityville horror. Please save us = from the Organ.   As you can see in the picture the Hammond is blatantly evil and must go.   please note the organ may require an exorcism not included in the price.   We have now had a suggestion that the Hammond maybe a TTR 200? and to answer the last ebayers question... We are currently unaware of any deaths directly related to the organ although the cat won't go near it and the = area arround it is slightly colder than the rest of the house.   More questions and they're frankly getting a bit silly but I can comfirm thatthe Cat has not played the Organ but my exgiirlfriend has and she's a witch! (suddenly it all becomes so clear.) Also I cannot post the item to London as it weighs about 8 tonnes. Although with the right incantationjs I'm sure you could get it fly there of it's own accord.   Our situation is getting deperate i am writing this under my duvet as we speak it knows! i am now too affraid to leave the room and walk past it = we and we haven't seen the cat in days. Strange noises are coming from the hall way. this will be my last post I fear it's wrath too much. Save us!!!! "   The Estey Pipe Organ - A Virtual Museum - www.esteyorgan.com    
(back) Subject: RE: What about pipe organ builders From: "WmGrantChapman" <WmGrantChapman@msn.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:29:29 -0400   It is good to see that some remember their tubes. :-)   Grant Chapman   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Justinhartz@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:35 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: What about pipe organ builders     Randy and listers- You've hit upon one of my pet peeves. Organbuilders should always be honest about giving credit when credit is due, ...6SN7, .... 12AU7 .......... Cheers, Justin Hartz   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:34:42 -0700 (PDT)   What on earth tdoes it take to get a standing ovation at an organ concert = these days? A few months ago, I have the pleasure of meeting and hearing Bradley Welch = during his concert at Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago. He delivered = a wonderful program which included The Guilmant D Minor Sonata op 42 ?(the oen also for organ and orchestra) The First movement of the Widor 6th as well as the Andante Sostenuto from = the Sym. Gothique The Drischner Variations on Come Come ye Shephedrs The Bach A Minor Prelude and Fugue He added a bit of whim with the Mother Goose Suite, which was very fun and = humerous. In think maybe about 10 of us laughed at it. Others just sat = there, stiff. At the end of this very technical program, absolutely no one stood up. I = guess his using the 32 Posaune at the end of the Bach A minor branded him = a bad performer. What does it take? He played that recital. note for not, and only about 2 = of us were on our feet at the end. TDH     --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
(back) Subject: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:36:04 -0700 (PDT)   What on earth tdoes it take to get a standing ovation at an organ concert = these days? A few months ago, I have the pleasure of meeting and hearing Bradley Welch = during his concert at Fourth Presbyterian Church of Chicago. He delivered = a wonderful program which included The Guilmant D Minor Sonata op 42 ?(the oen also for organ and orchestra) The First movement of the Widor 6th as well as the Andante Sostenuto from = the Sym. Gothique The Drischner Variations on Come Come ye Shephedrs The Bach A Minor Prelude and Fugue He added a bit of whim with the Mother Goose Suite, which was very fun and = humerous. In think maybe about 10 of us laughed at it. Others just sat = there, stiff. At the end of this very technical program, absolutely no one stood up. I = guess his using the 32 Posaune at the end of the Bach A minor branded him = a bad performer. What does it take? He played that recital. note for not, and only about 2 = of us were on our feet at the end. TDH     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Pipe repair vs replacement From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:44:47 -0400   Question: "For the sake of general discussion might we hear from the organ builders amongst us about the process of restoring a flattened metal flue pipe, say the low C of an 8' Diapason, and could you compare the cost of labor in = that process to the expedient of building or buying a new pipe that would = replace the subject pipe instead."   Answer: While I don't have experience with "flattened" pipes, I can give you a = good example of repair vs replacement. One of our reed ranks had been improved by well-meaning and untrained volunteers. Scrolls had been opened completely, then taped up. Some parts had been epoxied in place, others soldered with leaky cold solder joints.   The cost to repair the rank (from 8' up) was estimated at $5,600, while = the cost for a new set of pipes, built around the original shallots was = $5,900. Replacements seemed to be a no-brainer decision in this case.   Jason Taylor      
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and leftitifity at Organ Recitals From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 10:55:20 EDT   Standing ovations are NOT a requirement at fine recitals. They happen spontaneously following exceptional performances.   If all recitalists expect a standing ovation, the act becomes meaningless. Making the special commonplace demeans the honor and the honoree.   Imagine if every organ, no matter how small, had a 32' reed. That would rob them of their splendor and specialness, and they would grow =   irritating.  
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lLEVITY at Organ Recitals From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 07:59:52 -0700 (PDT)   Pardon me...a bit much sangria at the fireworks last evening. However, Sebastian makes a point...standing ovations happen at the end of = exceptional performances. What are criteria for an exceptional performance? Brad's perfromance was = certainly that. DH   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Parisian Poets and Peasants From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:13:20 EDT     In a message dated 07/04/05 7:12:23 AM, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk (Colin Mitchell) writes:   << it's good to know that at least one person who may have been involved = in the building of romantic French organs wasn't a peasant. And the answer is, Sebastian?>>   Colin: As your posts get more vicious and insulting to all, I should think = that my peasant-based knowledge would be of little use to an omniscient = aristocrat such as yourself. Since illiteracy is an unfortunately byproduct of my peasantry (and = what you perceive to be the collective ignorance of this forum), I shall leave = the reading and scholarship to you. The information that allegedly interests = you can be found quite easily, but you might have to stoop to reading French. In the mean time, questions have arisen regarding why an organbuilder (sorry, organ company owner) such as Aristide Cavaille-Coll might build a slightly different organ than Francois-Henri Clicquot. Well, a great deal = changed in music, history, social structure, and organbuilding in France in the = century between those builders' careers. We might wish to have a civilized discussion about such matters, but = for the time being, this peasant shall retreat to the sidelines. Class-based insults, goading remarks, and misinformation tend to put a damper or = scholarly discussions, especially when they are viewed with such contempt and = disdain by those such as yourself. As none of us can hope to become the scholar, = organist, organbuilder, theoretician, and historian that is you, we must be content = to ramble amongst our humble selves. We remain in awe.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City (prying the family crest off of the gates of all family properties)    
(back) Subject: Re: Dance motif From: "Dersch Bruce" <bedersch2001@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 08:28:27 -0700 (PDT)   Might I humbly suggest Buxtehude's gigue fuge in C major which is only for manuals until the last page with an ascending C Major pedal scale. Also the "fugue al la gigue." ((1996) by David N. Johnson and dedicated to Marilyn Mason (I plearned this in college and still am very fond of it.)   Bruce E. Dersch Subiaco, Arkansas (but moving to North Carolina shortly)  
(back) Subject: Poetic justice From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 09:12:07 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I've never come across an omniscient aristocrat. We have enough aristocrats here in England, and they appear to be universally dim....all that in-breeding I expect.   I'm sorry if Sebastian takes my "French peasant" jibe personally.....I thought Sebastian was a New Yorker.....it came from an aristocratic German friend in the first instance. Sebastian should know that "Le Frog" is something of a traditional blood-sport which bounces back and forth that bit of water we so impertinently refer to as "The English Channel."   I'm a bit ashamed to confess that one half of my family derives from France and the other from Scotland, and as the former half fled the revolution, I guess they were not "common people".   I thank Sebastian for his continuing patronage, and I am always happy to reciprocate the esteemed favour.   I was well aware of Cavaille-Coll's history, and the sources of his organ and musical influences, but in recent posts, I have possibly expanded the knowledge of many on this list, by mentioning a "romantic" organ with reed choruses which safely pre-dates Cavaille-Coll, and a Hungarian organ-builder who took the Cavaille-Coll sound back home to Hungary, but married it to far finer chorus-work.   I'm sorry if I'm up to my neck in Czech region at the moment; the language of which makes the French one look like a picnic.   Now who WAS that German reed voicer Sebastian?   I'm sure that such a revelation would be a wonderful gesture of "entente cordial."   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Colin: > As your posts get more vicious and insulting to > all, I should think that > my peasant-based knowledge would be of little use to > an omniscient aristocrat > such as yourself. >     ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: honesty in labeling From: "Ned Benson" <nbenson@stjohnschurch.org> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 09:36:06 -0700   "Sometimes, and I heartily recommend the practice, I've seen a copy of the specification and the history of the instrument picture-framed and attached to the console where any passerby can read it. I wish this was always done."   I'd like to do this. I can get the stoplist of Aeolian-Skinner 1066A,and know the single change made by Thompson-Allen; and I'll have the stoplist after Quimby's rebuilding. But where can I get the stoplist for the original George S. Hutchings, 1896, opus 384?   Google generated both too much and nothing. -- Dr. Ned H. Benson St. John's Presbyterian Church 1070 West Plumb Lane Reno, Nevada 89509 775-826-0990 http://www.stjohnschurch.org    
(back) Subject: Sampling (i know i thought we were through with this also.) From: "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:01:05 +0000   I just had a thought about something that occured while I was in school getting my physics degree. The professor walked into my acoustics class = and informed us that the Helmholtz resonator, had been patented by BOSE (a 4 letter word in my mind). If this isn't a case of something that is public =   domain being protected, I don't know what is. The BOSE waveguide technology, as they call it, is nothing more than a pipe organ pipe (transmission line speaker cabinet), with a driver at one end. The lowest =   frequency produced by this driver is consistent with the length + 1/3 the effective diameter of the cabinet. Sounds just like a pipe organ pipe doesn't it?   Question, if they can patent, in effect, a pipe organ pipe; couldn't any pipe be protected under the same laws?   Also, sampling is different from a normal recording session of an organ being played. During sampling only one pipe is played at a time. = Sampling can occur at various points, and the remaining notes are interpolated or extrapolated for each rank. This is not what is done when recording a concert, where the microphones are placed in fixed locations; instead of a fixed distance from each pipe.   Brad R. Richards Frels Pipe Organs      
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:53:40 -0400       On 4 Jul 2005 at 7:34, Desiree' expounded:   > > At the end of this very technical program, absolutely no one stood up. >   But was his playing musical? Standing ovations are an emotional thing. = If the audience was moved by the music - not by technical brilliance - they'll = stand and applaud long and loud, if it was a mixed audience of those who know the = music and those who don't.   It depends on the audience, I think, too. The commoners will be quicker = to stand in recognition of a well-played musical program than some jaded AGO types.                  
(back) Subject: Smaller size version of last MP3 From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:54:34 -0700   For those of you not wanting to d/l 3+ mb to hear "Dem Bones"   http://evensongmusic.net/audio/LQ/Spirituals-DemBonesLQ.mp3 (505kb)   Cheers,   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ and Choral Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ pipes are not waste (regarding pipe restoration now) From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 13:57:39 EDT   In a message dated 7/3/2005 2:46:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@swbell.net writes: I personally think that the destruction of the Cavaille-Coll organ at Blackburn Cathedral was a terrible loss, notwithstanding that the pipes = were "badly battered" and that the instrument was by no means in its original condition. Any organ builders worth their salt can restore pipework even when it has been torn or squashed completely flat. This is a very true statement. Case in point is the now restored = "Moravian" instrument in Old Salem, NC which was totally restored by Taylor and Boody = a couple of years ago. Many of the organ's metal pipes had been completely = smashed flat, having been walked upon. T&B restored those pipes to speaking condition. In the process, Bruce Shull (T&B's pipe voicer) learned quite a = lot about voicing on very low wind pressure, and other (perhaps lost) skills to make = the very gentle speaking organ work with great cohesiveness. The organ is very =   different from what we consider "the norm" these days, but was intended to = perform a very different function in the grand scheme of the Moravian worship = music style, which used the organ as an accompaniment to the other instruments, mostly brass, that were the "leaders" in the service music of that era in = the Morivian tradition.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 11:01:08 -0700 (PDT)           "But was his playing musical? "   For me, yes. Who knows what those others though?I sure don't. We all know = good an well that what some people feel is talented and musical, others = feel is gross and intrusive. I quit trying to figure out why and what = pleases about 6 months ago. Just like competitions...whoever gets the = audience prize is probably the better of the performers.   "It depends on the audience, I think, too. The commoners will be quicker = to stand in recognition of a well-played musical program than some jaded AGO = types."   Thats all too true.             __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:16:22 -0500   Hello, PipeChatters, et al: I know Bradley Welch. He played a concert for us at the Reformed Church in Plano, Plano, Texas. He won the Dallas Tri-ennial Organ Competition last time around, ...and this young man is excellent. Those of us who heard what he gave us, later said (in the spirit of most Monday morning quarterback club styles) that this or that could have been done differently here or there, but generally were well pleased when the concert finished, . . . and we stood and applauded. A good time was had by all, including Bradley, who seemed to really enjoy playing for us. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 14:36:16 EDT     In a message dated 7/4/05 9:40:41 AM, nicemusica@yahoo.com writes:     > At the end of this very technical program, absolutely no one stood up. I =   > guess his using the 32 Posaune at the end of the Bach A minor branded = him a bad > performer. > > What does it take? He played that recital. note for not, and only about = 2 of > us were on our feet at the end. > > TDH > >   What does using a 32' reed on Bach fugue have to do with a standing ovation?       Gregory F. Ceurvorst 1921 Sherman Ave. #GS Evanston, IL 60201 847.332.2788 home/fax 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com gfc234@nextel.blackberry.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT)       Gfc234@aol.com wrote:     What does using a 32' reed on Bach fugue have to do with a standing ovation?     Some people might warrant that as excessive. Some people may say something = like he was doing fine until he changed registrations in Bach. Basically, = some might have felt it to be unmusical, and others may have thought it to = be a nice touch. As Shirley said, some may have not been moved musically.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Standing ovations and lefity at Organ Recitals From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:25:12 EDT   FWIW, who gets a standing ovation, or why, is a bit of a mystery to me. I have been to some performances by "big name" artists who got standing = ovations after a program that I thought was somewhat lacklustre (which is to say = that I was not moved by the note-perfect but otherwise uninspiring playing)...go figure.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 15:29:40 -0400   Jonathan, it is absolutely inspired! I love it.   Randy Runyon     On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:00 AM, Jonathan Orwig wrote:   > Someone mentioned this tune on one of the lists, and I got inspired... > > http://evensongmusic.net/audio/OrwigSpirituals-DemBones.mp3 > > (well, you make the call whether it's inspiration or not!) > > Now I'm thinking of others to write.... gotta do a collection of > 4 or 5 at least.... > > Enjoy > > -- > Jonathan Orwig > Evensong Music, Media and Graphics > New Organ and Choral Music > http://www.evensongmusic.net > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: RE: the instrument is not to be sampled without the builder's express consent From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 20:47:28 +0100   Oh yes you can if you place a restrictive covenant upon the sale. I'm no lawyer, but I do know that I am prevented by such a covenant from = "Deploying upon my curtilege any booth, show or house on wheels" I am also = prevented from carrying out any trade or profession apart from those of Doctor or Dentist! - two of the most disruptive of trades as far as my neighbours = are concerned I would think.... A friend cannot turn his house into a = brothel, tannery or pig farm.... seems like quite a sensible one that!     Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = Paul Valtos Sent: 01 July 2005 21:15 To: PipeChat Subject: Re: the instrument is not to be sampled without the builder's express consent   John, Again you have a problem with ownership. Once you sell a product to = an=20 organization or a user, you cannot tell him what to do with it.=20