PipeChat Digest #5448 - Wednesday, July 6, 2005
 
Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Trumpets of Fire
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music
  by "Cecil Rigby" <rigrax@earthlink.net>
RE: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear...
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
Audience response: was ovations
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music
  by "Cecil Rigby" <rigrax@earthlink.net>
Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Sampling Question - OFFTOPIC
  by "Mac Hayes" <mach37@comcast.net>
Re: Audience response: was ovations
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
Re: Sampling Question - OFFTOPIC
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: organ in Roslindale, MA
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
Schools taking international tours
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:15:30 -0500   Hi, Jonathan: > I've decided to do a Suite or collection of these: > > Dem Bones > Deep River > Swing Low > 'Zekiel Saw the Wheel I can hardly wait. Cheers!!! I really liked Dem Bones. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: RE: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 22:00:54 +1200     >I think you are getting confused here! Deep River is an old spiritual. = The song from Showboat is "Old Man River"   Yes, I was. Mea maxima culpa. Error stupidus.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Trumpets of Fire From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:22:55 -0400   >># 1 =3D now termed a French Trumpet - was formed from an E M Skinner >>Cornopean... it IS fabulous and stays IN TUNE like a rock!   I have no doubt that he attained some fine results in various places, but the reed I mentioned causes cross-talk between your aural and visual nerves and makes you see patterns of light when it plays.   Furthermore, I would make an unqualified observation that I hope someone will refute: Mr. Steinkampf seemed to have a talent for doing one thing; Taking any reed and turning it into a loud French Trumpet. I probably take care of seven examples of reeds that were re-voiced by Steinkampf, and it seems to be the same MO on all of them: carve open the faces of the shallots, fill them with wax, and apply beer can tongues.   Two of those seven examples are Oboes that sound just like Trumpets. Five of the seven examples will be getting new shallots and tongues to match the originals within the next few years. (Along with new inserts which were not repaired when they were re-voiced)   Best,   Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music From: "Cecil Rigby" <rigrax@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 07:38:29 -0400   Hi Mark-- Check out:   www.cpdl.org (free printables) and www.handlo.com (retail PDFs delivered online- not sure how much is in their cataqlogue, but I'm sure there's something)     Cecil Rigby rigrax@earthlink.net (personal) Subject: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music     I am looking for any collections or sheets of Renaissance and Medieval = organ music, preferable church/worship music. Any suggestions on where to find any.   Regards,   Mark Gilbert      
(back) Subject: RE: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:09:08 -0400   > >Dem Bones >Deep River >Swing Low >'Zekiel Saw the Wheel > >Remembering that the magnificent "Deep River" is not a spiritual, but = from >the musical "Showboat" from about 60 years ago. > >My favourite recording of "Deep River" is sung by William Warfield. = Somehow >more satisfying voice and musicianship than Paul Robeson, to my ears. He >would have been called "black" back then, but I s'pose he'd have to be >called "African-American" these days. A truly memorable voice.   And let's not forget the accompanying organist: Virgil Fox.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear... From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:40:44 -0400   Charlie,   Your reaction to this E-ORG is interesting, because there is a lot of = truth in it.   I do think, what you played is sort of a bottom rung instrument, judging = by the fact that it had only 8 general pistons. It must be remembered that low end instruments are built to a price, but also are finessed by the companies' marketing department. In other words they make them so they will sell. That is why at the low end you will see the following,   1) quite a number of stops 2) lighted stop controls 3) 2 or 3 channel audio 4) limited tone generating hardware 5) if sampled - short samples with only a few samples per stop 6) limited voicing controls   Most of the time, these organs are a disappointment in churches, as they = do not adequately do anything.   But, it should also be pointed out, that top end E-ORGs, certainly do not have to sound bad, indeed if time and effort are spent on a good install, they can sound very good.   But, generally, I can tell immediately, whether an organ is pipe or = digital when something is being played. Not always can I tell when 1 note is toggled, but certainly when played in a musical context, pipes have a = magic of their own that E-ORGs just don't have.   I would suggest you try several other E-ORGs before just writing them all = off.   Arie V.                 At 09:38 PM 2005-07-05, you wrote:   >Well, I'll only say this much. Pipe organ builders have very little to >worry about if this is the best "off the shelf" electronic instrument to >be had. There's no point in naming names; just suffice it to be said that =   >it is a product from one of the major electronic instrument builders. > >Granted, there may be SOME competition from the high-end "boutique >digital" builders ---- but certainly as far as average electronic organs >are concerned, well, I was quite disappointed in what this one had to = offer. > >It was a largish 2-manual instrument which, I believe, is of the "sampled =   >pipe" varieties. In addition to the extremely annoying, cheap, stoopid >light-up stop controls which defy every rule and convention of console >design, the thing really sounded like crap, 'scuse my English. > >Ironically, though, it appears this particular builder has taken two = steps >forward and one step backward. > >What I mean is, it used to be that individual stops sounded pretty okay >but when you started building ensembles, the deficiencies really reared >their ugly heads as the various stops mooshed together into an >excruciating, ear-pearcing blast that sounded like an over-amplified = kazoo. > >But with this organ, the ensembles actually sounded pretty good --- not >convincingly pipelike of course, but not too bad really. In a big room >with good acoustics and lots of speakers, the Pleno would probably = "pass." >[While in a small, dead room like the one being discussed, with too-few >speakers to fill even that modest space, it still sounds flat and phony - =   >like hearing a CD of an organ.] > >Then, oddly enough, the individual stops for the most part sounded very >crummy to me. Especially the reeds and strings. They still just aren't >getting 'em right. This MAY have to do with yet another instance of >electronic organ salesmen shooting themselves in the foot --- installing >their products with the absolutely most barebone audio systems. [When are =   >they going to GET IT that you just can't expect to get good organ sound >out of three of four crummy little speaker boxes???] > >Then another thing about this particular instrument - there's all this >needless gadget-stuff junking it up --- melody couplers, expression >couplers, coupler-couplers, transposers, Pedal to Great Bass for = cheaters, >of course a huge artillery of MIDI "libraries" and playback equipment, a >3.5" floppy disk reader (now how cheesy is THAT??!), and Lord-knows what >else. I did see a hundred-odd-page instruction manual sitting there. Good = Lord. > >Yet there are no divisional pistons and only 8 generals. Only two reeds = on >the Swell (16 and 8), both of which are supposed to serve dual-duty as >chorus and solo reeds; and two very screechy, teeth-hurting chorus reeds >on the Great - 8 and 4, again with no solo reeds. Whose bright idea was >all THAT? > >And there were a lot of other insipid and annoying things about the >console and instrument that I don't see any point in enumerating. Those >who play and/or sell and/or buy them either notice the shortcomings, or >they don't. One could only wish that the parishes and pastors who buy = them >were more discriminating. > >This particular pastor was beaming from ear to ear as he showed me to the =   >console, saying how elated everyone is with it. He said, "It's got ALL = tha >"'bells and whistles.'" I thought to myself, "y'all need fewer 'bells and =   >whistles' and more kinds of other stuff - like pipes and chests and >reservoirs, but I didn't say anything. > >I did ask him what the organist thinks of it. "Oh geee, you know ... you >organist types....! He wanted us to getta pipe organ but there just = wasn't >the money for it, and no room without major structural modifications. >Besides, he's away a lot and we don't have a substitute. So, geez -- with =   >the Middie Feeechers ya got here [yes, he had a funny accent - from >Wiskansen I think], he can pre-record all the music ahead of time, doncha =   >know, and all we have to do is POOSH the BUTTON! How's THAT for >somethin'?!" Big smile as he patted me on the head. Ick. > >Right. Good thing they hadn't figured out yet how to "POOSH the BUTTON" = or >Yers Trooley would not have been sitting there today....... > >Anyway, as I said -- while these organs will certainly always find a very =   >needy market, I am fairly sure that, again, if this is the best they can >do with a good-sized state-of-the-art instrument, then, really, pipe >organs will be here to stay. For a very long time. I certainly wasn't >impressed, at any rate. > >Similarly, as for all the wailing and teeth-gnashing about pipe samples >.... well, there again: From what I heard, you end up with only the most >vestigial remains of any sound whatsoever from sampled pipes. The sounds >were so filtered, processed, altered, tweaked, twittered, skewed, >fricasseed and reverbed that they don't sound any better or any worse = than >standard electronic organ stops. They still sound ... electronic. > >So much so, that I think all this "sampling" business is just a lot of >hooey -- this generation of electronic builders' version of the same kind =   >of hooey that they used to use to try to pass off their stuff as >legitimate. (Anyone remember "Whind" "Celeste Tuning" and the infamous = 'C' >stop??!) > >"And So It Goes."      
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:53:27 -0400   The cpdl site does not work. What do the initials stand for?     =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecil Rigby" <rigrax@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music     > Hi Mark-- > Check out: > > www.cpdl.org (free printables) > and > www.handlo.com (retail PDFs delivered online- not sure how much is in > their cataqlogue, but I'm sure there's something) > > > Cecil Rigby > rigrax@earthlink.net (personal) > Subject: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music > > > I am looking for any collections or sheets of Renaissance and Medieval organ > music, preferable church/worship music. Any suggestions on where to find > any. > > Regards, > > Mark Gilbert > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     >  
(back) Subject: organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:58:09 -0400   I saw the following notice on PIPORG. I am surprised; I talked to = individuals from this church myself when they were in the process of = selling the church, and thought they had already hooked up with the = Organ Clearing House. ..=20 "Could you "spread the word," if you think you might be able to help = find a home for these items? Thanks.   Demolition of the former Bethlehem Lutheran Church, Roslindale, Mass., = is scheduled to begin in a few weeks, so it is important to find a new = home, or temporary storage space, immediately for the following items: the pipe organ, the bell, the gold cross from the steeple, and about ten 74"x33" stained glass windows. These items are being given away for free. If = you can use any of these items or have room to store them please contact = William F. Coyne Jr. at the following address:   William F. Coyne, Jr. Lawson & Weitzen, LLP 88 Black Falcon Avenue. Boston, MA 02210 (617) 439-4990 (617) 439-3987 (fax) wcoyne@lawson-weitzen.com"   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Audience response: was ovations From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:01:12 EDT   My experience as a recitalist has always been that I am repeatedly = struck by all variety of produce hurled by those in attendance. It seems to me to = be overly-ripe, and abundant, an odd tradition here in America. I don't think =   people come from the grocery store directly to a recital. I find that being struck by a Valencia orange, pitched overhand like a =   baseball at 92 miles per hour, is far more painful than being simply = pelted with eggs. There seems to be no correlation between the literature I choose to play and what the audience throws. I guess the point of this is that I think people stand when they do it =   simply because they have better aim and can develop greater speed. It's = not a question of me "expecting" them to stand during the assault. For the last three recitals, I brought a PlexiGlas riot shield, so I could see who was standing, and to keep from being knocked unconscious by = an errant cantaloupe. When I play particularly well, they continue to scream = and throw things long after I have run out of the church and down the block. It's nice to feel appreciated.   SMG  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music From: "Cecil Rigby" <rigrax@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 11:03:07 -0400   Hi Merry-   CPDL =3D Choral Public Domain Library   You might want to write Rafael Ornes at ornes@cpdl.org to see if there's a problem with the site. I can't get it to come up, either.   Cecil Rigby rigrax@earthlink.net (personal)   Subject: Re: Looking for Renaissance and Medieval Music     The cpdl site does not work. What do the initials stand for?      
(back) Subject: Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:34:57 -0400   Thanks, Jonathan. I'll play it this Sunday!   Randy     On Jul 4, 2005, at 2:00 AM, Jonathan Orwig wrote:   > Someone mentioned this tune on one of the lists, and I got inspired... > > http://evensongmusic.net/audio/OrwigSpirituals-DemBones.mp3 > > (well, you make the call whether it's inspiration or not!) > > Now I'm thinking of others to write.... gotta do a collection of > 4 or 5 at least.... > > Enjoy > > -- > Jonathan Orwig > Evensong Music, Media and Graphics > New Organ and Choral Music > http://www.evensongmusic.net > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Sampling Question - OFFTOPIC From: "Mac Hayes" <mach37@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:55:55 -0600   Jan Nijhuis wrote: > Actually a lot of digital piano samples I am told are from Steinways > ... but their name is never mentioned. Yamaha does mention that it > samples their own concert grands for their digitals.   Back in 1990 I had to exchange my Steinway M for something much smaller. In choosing a digital keyboard of that era I compared 5 or 6 different brands, including Yamaha, Kawai, and a couple of European brand names. Based on the keyboard feel and built-in speaker sound - price was not a factor - the Korg Concert 5000 sounded best to me. I heard opinions that the Korg model that replaced the Concert 5000 was not as good, and I'm sure there are now better sounding digital instruments. I was a bit dissapointed that the Yamahas did not meet my standards; I was fully expecting them to be my final choice.   The main weakness of digital pianos was doubly pointed up by the strength of my Steinway - decay of the string vibrations. The Steinway would sing for seemingly minutes after striking and holding a note or chord; I wonder if there are any digitals today that can sustain a note or chord for more than ten seconds?   I still have the Korg, and it is playing as well as when I first got it.   Mac Hayes Riverton, UT  
(back) Subject: Re: Audience response: was ovations From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:00:42 -0700   Should I count my blessings that I live in the center of agriculture for the county but there are precious few pipe organs in these parts?   It's been known to happen that 2/3 way through a recital the recitalist will ask the audience to stand for "the seventh inning stretch" then rightfully claim "the ovation" afterward.     On 7/6/05, TubaMagna@aol.com <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote: > My experience as a recitalist has always been that I am repeatedly str= uck > by all variety of produce hurled by those in attendance. It seems to me t= o be > overly-ripe, and abundant, an odd tradition here in America. I don't thin= k > people come from the grocery store directly to a recital. > I find that being struck by a Valencia orange, pitched overhand like a > baseball at 92 miles per hour, is far more painful than being simply pelt= ed with > eggs. There seems to be no correlation between the literature I choose to > play and what the audience throws. > I guess the point of this is that I think people stand when they do it > simply because they have better aim and can develop greater speed. It's n= ot a > question of me "expecting" them to stand during the assault. > For the last three recitals, I brought a PlexiGlas riot shield, so I > could see who was standing, and to keep from being knocked unconscious by= an > errant cantaloupe. When I play particularly well, they continue to scream= and throw > things long after I have run out of the church and down the block. > It's nice to feel appreciated. >=20 > SMG >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:28:30 -0700   I've heard that organs are being thrown away in such masses these days that the organ clearing house is being extremely selective in what they will go for, not having time for all of them. Perhaps the clearing house wasn't interested. Hard to say. I suppose its bad that so many organs are just being taken to the dump, but then again, this is a good time to get really high quality organs and organ parts for reasonable prices, or sometimes even free as in this case.   Andy www.beating2windward.blogspot.com     On 7/6/05, Merry Foxworth <m.foxworth@verizon.net> wrote: > I saw the following notice on PIPORG. I am surprised; I talked to indivi= duals from this church myself when they were in the process of selling the = church, and thought they had already hooked up with the Organ Clearing Hous= e. > .  
(back) Subject: Re: Sampling Question - OFFTOPIC From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:43:44 EDT   In a message dated 7/6/2005 12:56:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mach37@comcast.net writes:   wonder if there are any digitals today that can sustain a note or chord for more than ten seconds?       why yes, go try the General Music digital keyboards............ the home line has a couple of nice ones and we had a ProMega 3 at my last =   little Lutheran Church that just knocked your socks off.... dale in hot but hurricane watching Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: organ in Roslindale, MA From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 17:50:30 EDT   A serious problem that has developed over the years is that most organists are convinced that there are no other avenues other than the = Organ Clearing House. They make no attempts to contact anybody else, and historic organs become landfill. Even instruments not deemed worthy by the clearing house may be of use = to a church that cannot afford to commission a new organ. The entire organ, = or parts thereof, could greatly reduce the size of their investment in their = dream. If people persisted in saving musical instruments with the same vigor that they exhibit in clamoring after other goals, more organs would be = saved, and more churches would have the real thing. If the Organ Clearing House doesn't have the organ you want at the = price you want, countless pipe organ builders have access to fine instruments = and parts thereof. Likewise, if you know of an endangered instrument, and it = doesn't meet the clearing house's criteria, contact somebody in the organ building =   business. An extra telephone call takes just as much time as a "post of lamentation" to the internet.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com   ..  
(back) Subject: RE: organ in Roslindale, MA From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:07:36 +1200   > A serious problem that has developed over the years is that most organists are convinced that there are no other avenues other than the = Organ Clearing House. They make no attempts to contact anybody else, and = historic organs become landfill.   Everyone: if you hear of instruments being dumped, please ask the folk concerned if they'd be willing to freight them to NZ as a mark of respect for the instrument and as a gift to somebody who'd love to have an organ = but could never afford one. I'm serious about this - I could find homes for organs if they could be got to NZ. There are folk here who would help restore and re-erect instruments, not charging for their time, only for = any special materials needed for the job.   Please do take this seriously. Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:06:11 -0700   Yes, yes, yes, and yes!!! thankyou :) Thankyou also for clearing up a potential misunderstanding I could have caused... that an organ that the clearing house does not rescue is not a good organ, or a good source of organ parts. Not necessarily the case at all.   Andy www.beating2windward.blogspot.com     On 7/6/05, TubaMagna@aol.com <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote: > A serious problem that has developed over the years is that most > organists are convinced that there are no other avenues other than the Or= gan Clearing > House. They make no attempts to contact anybody else, and historic organs > become landfill. > Even instruments not deemed worthy by the clearing house may be of use= to > a church that cannot afford to commission a new organ. The entire organ, = or > parts thereof, could greatly reduce the size of their investment in their= dream. > If people persisted in saving musical instruments with the same vigor > that they exhibit in clamoring after other goals, more organs would be sa= ved, and > more churches would have the real thing. > If the Organ Clearing House doesn't have the organ you want at the pri= ce > you want, countless pipe organ builders have access to fine instruments a= nd > parts thereof. Likewise, if you know of an endangered instrument, and it = doesn't > meet the clearing house's criteria, contact somebody in the organ buildin= g > business. An extra telephone call takes just as much time as a "post of > lamentation" to the internet. >=20 > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City > http://www.glucknewyork.com  
(back) Subject: Schools taking international tours From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:53:26 -0700 (PDT)   Today I was talkiong to a friend who says that their class is going on a trip to Europe. She said it's almost to the point that the professor is requiring all 4 of the organ majors to go. However, she told me that one of the organ students works a church job and a campus job just to get thru school. Money is not there for extra things.   Would it be just to require this sutdent to spend the many thousands of dollars to go to Europe, when that money can easily go towards the next semester ao school?   TDH   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com