PipeChat Digest #5450 - Thursday, July 7, 2005
 
Re: electroids again
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
RE: Organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear...
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear...
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
To tune a Walker
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: To tune a Walker
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Organ Donation
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Organ Peril
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear...
  by "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: copying/sampling
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Organ Peril
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
RE: Organ Donation
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Organ Peril
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: Organ Peril
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
RE: Organ Peril
  by "Douglas Henn-Macrae" <douglas@henn-macrae.com>
trinity cathedral, little rock
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Why is it not used, it is brand new????
  by "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com>
Re: trinity cathedral, little rock
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: electroids again From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:06:59 +0100   Hi   I don't know about answering your question - but every Allen that I've heard, except one, had a very distinctive and easily recognisable "house" sound. The exception sounded so poor that I, and a couple of other organists, hardly believed the builder's plate!   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:44 AM Subject: electroids again     > Since there's been discussion of things electronic yet again, I wonder = if > I > could ask a question about them. If the sounds of, say, Allen = instruments > are sampled from real pipes, has ANYONE ever heard a stop on an Allen = that > they would recognise    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 05:14:35 -0400   Wow. I had no idea. Decent organs can quite regularly be had for free here, if the taker is willing to do the removal himself and quickly.=20 The one I play was obtained for $3500, and installed completely by volunteers led by me and one other semi-knowledgeable fellow. The result is not fantastic, but what sort of electronic installation could be had $US3500? Nothing good, that's fer sher. Hmmm. Well, what does it cost to ship, say, a 8'X10'X24' crate from hte US to NZ?=20 Could you pay it? If so, there may be hope.   Andy www.beating2windward.blogspot.com     >=20 > PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People often speak here of th= e > abundance of organs being dumped or put in storage in the USA. Is there a= ny > way an instrument for us could be sent over????? >=20 > Thanks for listening to my tale of woe... >=20 > Ross  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ in Roslindale, MA From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 22:01:46 +1200       >Hmmm. Well, what does it cost to ship, say, a 8'X10'X24' crate from the US to NZ? Could you pay it? If so, there may be hope.   Thanks for responding, Andy. Yes, the freight is the problem. I costed sending a container from the USA (an east coast port) to NZ last year and = it would be NZ$10,000, i.e. about US$7000. That's just too much cost for me, = as I'm on only a small pension from the church (I was a vicar for 23 years) = and don't go on the state pension for another 18 months yet.   Is there any way any of those wealthy parishes who dump their existing organs could be persuaded to extend an act of the greatest mercy and = charity to an organ-starved addict for use in our church by picking up the costs = of freight?   Yes, that sounds terrible when I read it through, but the thought of = having to listen to the 2m Allens and the 1m Ahlborn-Galanti in our parish's churches for the rest of my natural life is quite appalling. Any organ enthusiast will know the feeling.   I do feel quite certain that if an organ were installed here that there would be sufficient enthusiasm generated to pay back any freight costs, = but it's actually getting one here that is the big problem, that initial financial hump that I haven't nutted out yet, hence my abjectly grovelling appeal on this List. (I'm making myself weep as I write this). :-)   The nearest I got to getting one of the USA's spare organs sent to NZ was back in the late 1960s when I was newly married and living in = Christchurch. Messrs Boadway and Laufman and I used to correspond fairly regularly way back then and they found what they described as an excellent organ and the arrangements were just about concluded for a 3m Simpson (I think that was the make) from about 1870 or a bit earlier, pneumatic'd action on the original slider chests, some 14 stops on the Great, about 10 on the Swell, = 7 on the Choir and 4 on the Pedal if I remember correctly. They reckoned the sound was big but musical, on low pressure. The thing was a massive 27ft = in height, 17ft wide, but only 8ft deep, and there was a good west end here where the organ could have stood on the floor. Well, the church, a Roman Catholic one seating about 350, heard of a 3rk unit organ being discarded from the RC Seminary just half a mile away - and bought that instead. End = of story.   I still live in hope for one for our church, hence my plea to the List.   Thanks again for listening, Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear... From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:25:49 EDT   In a message dated 7/7/2005 3:10:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, douglas@henn-macrae.com writes:   Allen, Rodgers, Johannus/Makin, Ahlborn/Galanti, Viscount, Content - as = well as Walker, use sampling     these use sampling and or a mix with real time re production..... the first 4 are voiceable note by note with the last too likely to be = also. dale in Dennis country  
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear... From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:23:55 -0500   Good Morning, Douglas, PipeChatters, et al: > To the best of my knowledge (and other list members > will please correct me if I am mistaken) nearly all the > main European and US mass-producers - ie > Allen, Rodgers, Johannus/Makin, Ahlborn/Galanti, > Viscount, Content - as well as Walker, use sampling. > (Eminent, is, I believe, the exception, and I'm not > sure about Cantor.) Both Eminent and Cantor use digital synthesis; Eminent has their own system and software, and Cantor uses the Musicom technologies.   Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..    
(back) Subject: To tune a Walker From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:47 -0400   >> On Walker systems I've worked with, it is all accomplished via proprietary computer "voicing" software which allows adjustment of a number of variables for each note of each stop, with tuning being only one of the possible adjustments. <<   Hi there,   Would it be reasonable to assume that the Walker voices in this particular instance were simply not tempered or in tune with themselves in octaves since they were installed? Is the proprietary software something only Walker and its dealers have?   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: To tune a Walker From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:44:09 -0400     On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:32:47 -0400 Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> writes: > >> > On Walker systems I've worked with, it is all accomplished via > proprietary computer "voicing" software which allows adjustment of > a > number of variables for each note of each stop, with tuning being > only one of the possible adjustments. > << > > Hi there, > > Would it be reasonable to assume that the Walker voices in > this > particular instance were simply not tempered or in tune with > themselves > in octaves since they were installed? Is the proprietary software > something only Walker and its dealers have? > > - Nate     Nate:   I assume you are aware that the recent (10 years or so) Walker systems have random out-of-tuneness built in?     Jim  
(back) Subject: Organ Donation From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:53:52 -0400   Hi List...     >>No, Nate, not at all. If there ever were an instrument from the USA to come >>to NZ, it'd be especially good to keep it as original as possible.   Would you be willing to use a unit organ?   It sounds, judging by the dimensions of your space, that something with chromatic chests would be ideal... Something like a Casavant, or even a Holtkamp with an A-chest Great and Chromatic Swell/Positiv would fit like a glove I bet.   Now if only we could zap one and have it appear over there.... )C:     - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 06:58:33 -0500   One major step that this discussion seems to be taking for granted is the disassembly and packing. I led my church to move a 10-rank Moller from a defunct church in Kansas City to our new sanctuary in a small rural town = ten years ago. It was two days of hard, dirty work for 11 or 12 people just to =   get the thing out of its old church and into trailers. Then another day to =   unload the trailers into storage. I doubt if I could have raised the volunteer labor if we were not meaning to take the instrument home for our =   own use. I know that OHS has mounted emergency rescue efforts for exceptional instruments. Maybe there are enough people in a larger city = who care about saving an old organ to get the job done. Kip in MO   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:01 AM Subject: RE: Organ in Roslindale, MA     > > >>Hmmm. Well, > what does it cost to ship, say, a 8'X10'X24' crate from the US to NZ? > Could you pay it? If so, there may be hope. > > Thanks for responding, Andy. Yes, the freight is the problem. I costed > sending a container from the USA (an east coast port) to NZ last year = and > it > would be NZ$10,000, i.e. about US$7000. That's just too much cost for = me, > as > I'm on only a small pension from the church (I was a vicar for 23 years) =   > and > don't go on the state pension for another 18 months yet. > > Is there any way any of those wealthy parishes who dump their existing > organs could be persuaded to extend an act of the greatest mercy and > charity > to an organ-starved addict for use in our church by picking up the costs =   > of > freight? > > Yes, that sounds terrible when I read it through, but the thought of > having > to listen to the 2m Allens and the 1m Ahlborn-Galanti in our parish's > churches for the rest of my natural life is quite appalling. Any organ > enthusiast will know the feeling. > > I do feel quite certain that if an organ were installed here that there > would be sufficient enthusiasm generated to pay back any freight costs, > but > it's actually getting one here that is the big problem, that initial > financial hump that I haven't nutted out yet, hence my abjectly = grovelling > appeal on this List. (I'm making myself weep as I write this). :-) > > The nearest I got to getting one of the USA's spare organs sent to NZ = was > back in the late 1960s when I was newly married and living in > Christchurch. > Messrs Boadway and Laufman and I used to correspond fairly regularly way > back then and they found what they described as an excellent organ and = the > arrangements were just about concluded for a 3m Simpson (I think that = was > the make) from about 1870 or a bit earlier, pneumatic'd action on the > original slider chests, some 14 stops on the Great, about 10 on the = Swell, > 7 > on the Choir and 4 on the Pedal if I remember correctly. They reckoned = the > sound was big but musical, on low pressure. The thing was a massive 27ft =   > in > height, 17ft wide, but only 8ft deep, and there was a good west end here > where the organ could have stood on the floor. Well, the church, a Roman > Catholic one seating about 350, heard of a 3rk unit organ being = discarded > from the RC Seminary just half a mile away - and bought that instead. = End > of > story. > > I still live in hope for one for our church, hence my plea to the List. > > Thanks again for listening, > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >      
(back) Subject: Organ Peril From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:11:53 -0400   Dear List,   Would anyone like a free 3m pipe organ? Now's the time!   http://www.christchurchexeter.org/organ.htm   It would be nice if someone at least "harvested" the pipes from this one. It would also be a shame to see pipes smashed in a dumpster.   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear... From: "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:15:00 -0500   Hi,   Copeman-Hart, Cantor, and Veritas build high end custom organs using = Musicom real time synthesis technology. Eminent organs are mass produced and use = a variant of the Bradford technology. Not even in the same class. Nice sounding organs though.   Tim Grenz Cantor Owner   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Henn-Macrae" <douglas@henn-macrae.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:09 AM Subject: RE: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear...     > Hi, Nathan, > >>> "What is the state of the art of electronic organs these days?" > > IMHO: > Off-the-shelf standard models - mostly OK, mediocre to good. You get = what > you pay for (though some - from US makers, dare I say - are way > over-priced > and have far too many gadgets that most people would never use). > Top-of-the-range custom building - excellent (eg firms such as > Copeman-Hart, > Phoenix, Hugh Banton, Veritas...). > >>> "I was under the impression that the builders were moving away from > samples and modeling/generating the sounds on the fly with hardware > instead." > > To the best of my knowledge (and other list members will please correct = me > if I am mistaken) nearly all the main European and US mass-producers - = ie > Allen, Rodgers, Johannus/Makin, Ahlborn/Galanti, Viscount, Content - as > well > as Walker, use sampling. (Eminent, is, I believe, the exception, and I'm =   > not > sure about Cantor.) > > Except for Phoenix, which is sample-based (but a million miles away from > those mentioned above), all the high-end end custom-builders that I know =   > of > use synthesis - mostly with Musicom hardware (at least outside the UK), > though some here use the Bradford system (of which Musicom is a = variant). > With all of these, every note of every rank is voiceable (in the = building, > via a laptop) over umpteen parameters. If I have understood it = correctly, > synthesis gives you virtually infinite possibilities (since you are > starting > from scratch), whereas sampling will still bear some resemblance to the > original sample. Some builders who add digital voices to pipe organs now > have a system which senses every minute temperature change and adjusts = the > tuning of the digital voices to follow the pipes. > > Hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > Douglas. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan Smith > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 2:38 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Pipe Organ Builders Need Not Fear... > > Good Evening.... > > Question. > > What is the state of the art of electronic organs these days? I > was under the impression that the builders were moving away from > samples and modeling/generating the sounds on the fly with hardware > instead. The reason why I ask is this: > > There is a Casavant in CT that has just been moved to a new > building (glorious accoustics). There are some Walker voices on it > that are maybe 7-10 years old. First let me say that my career flashed > before my eyes when I turned the little knob to bring the Walkers in > tune with the Casavant; but I digress... Secondly, I went through the > fourths and fifths and noted that there was no sign of a temperament > having been set (I highly doubt that the organ was ever tuned in > unequal). Lastly, I checked it three notes at a time in octaves and it > was not in tune with itself that way. So, my next question is this: > > Does each note, or even electronic "pipe" have it's own model with > its own tuning pot? > > Best, > > Nate > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >  
(back) Subject: Re: copying/sampling From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:17:21 EDT   If no one can recognise any (pipe) organ builder's sounds in an = electronic, how could you say that copyright was breached? After all, a copy is a = copy, but if I think I'm making a copy though merely produce something that the original artist would never recognise, nor anyone else, I can't exactly be charged with copying, can I? To me, this is a question to answer before anyone can even discuss whether "sampling" is legitimate or not.   Ross       Ross raises a good point. I've played some digitals that, while sounding good, didn't sound particularly like a Skinner, Casavant, Willis, Austin, = etc. They were just an "organ." On the other hand, I have played a very new "boutique" digital builder's organ in NYC and was able to pick out stops = that sounded like Aeolian-Skinner stops. The sampling rate was just much = higher and done "cleaner," providing a truer results. When back in their lab and = listening to the library of stops, it was amazing to listen to the difference = between an E.M Skinner diapason and an Aeolian-Skinner principal and a Casavant principal. Some builders will identify the maker of the pipes, but not = the church they came from, others will tell what church the sample is from. I know that = some churches/concert halls/universities don't want to let on to the fact that they had their organ sampled, so they will not let the digital builder say = which organ the sample came from, other than it is from a 1973 Moller or = whatever. Many people would be shocked where some of the samples of pipes came from = that are installed in organs that are shipped out in organs that go to dealers daily. However, they are able to be tweaked so much that sometimes they = bear little resemblance to the original by the time they actually play. My = feeling is that while it is interesting to know where a sample came from, as long as = it sounds decent, it doesn't matter if it's a rank that came from some supply =   house or if it came from a major builder--just make it sound as best as it =   can--spend some time voicing it it to the room, don't just slap it in and = leave it.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Peril From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 13:30:51 +0100   Hi   This sort of thing is only too common in the UK. I've heard of several organs that are/were available "free" - the problem is the cost of removal =   and re-installation - and that there's a "glut" on the market.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: Organ Peril     > Dear List, > > Would anyone like a free 3m pipe organ? Now's the time! >    
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Donation From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 01:50:14 +1200     > Would you be willing to use a unit organ?   Sure. Anything big enough.   > Now if only we could zap one and have it appear over there.... )C:   Och aye, yea verily. :-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Peril From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:56:15 EDT   In a message dated 07/07/05 8:12:28 AM, erzahler@sbcglobal.net writes:   http://www.christchurchexeter.org/organ.htm   The instrument has been on the market for nearly a year, if my memory = is correct. The sketchy history of the instrument, as well as the = photographs, may provide some clues as to why it has not sold, although the church = still seems intent on selling it. Through the history of rebuilds and patching, they were definitely set = on a three-manual scheme, rather than on a focused two-manual organ. The organ is of unknown provenance, and had been re- re- rebuilt by = two local organ servicemen over the decades. Since I do not know their work, = and have never heard either of them mentioned by any colleagues, I have no information about their outlook or abilities as organbuilders. Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Peril From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 02:10:07 +1200   > Would anyone like a free 3m pipe organ? Now's the time!   Thanks, Nate. I've emailed their church to see if they're willing to make = a donation of the organ to us and can let the List know what their response is. That organ looks absolutely perfect for our building.   Now, if only I could figure out how to drive a truck right across the Pacific Ocean!!! Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ in Roslindale, MA From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 07:06:38 -0700   Yes, shipping and handling would most assuredly have to be paid for, and wouldn't be cheap to NZ. This is actually the reason most organs get thrown away. Taking them apart carefully is so much work. I recently turned down a charming, free 11 rank Estey because it was clear I could not afford it. :) It had some positive value where it stood, but its value anywhere else was hugely negative. Not worth the effort to move. I did get all the swell pipework for free though, to make way for the Allen speakers! The rest of the organ still sits there, and probably will forever. Andy   On 7/7/05, Paul Smith <kipsmith@getgoin.net> wrote: > One major step that this discussion seems to be taking for granted is the > disassembly and packing. I led my church to move a 10-rank Moller from a > defunct church in Kansas City to our new sanctuary in a small rural town = ten > years ago. It was two days of hard, dirty work for 11 or 12 people just t= o > get the thing out of its old church and into trailers. Then another day t= o > unload the trailers into storage. I doubt if I could have raised the > volunteer labor if we were not meaning to take the instrument home for ou= r > own use. I know that OHS has mounted emergency rescue efforts for > exceptional instruments. Maybe there are enough people in a larger city w= ho > care about saving an old organ to get the job done.  
(back) Subject: RE: Organ Peril From: "Douglas Henn-Macrae" <douglas@henn-macrae.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:48:45 +0100   It's not as good as it looks from the specification. The sound isn't too bad, but not particularly exciting or inspiring. There were some intermittent ciphers when my choir sang there in April (at least during the rehearsal - it behaved perfectly for the concert!). [In the unlikely event anybody would be interested in that story, see www.gundulf.org.uk.] The console is nice. 'Twould be a shame to see that on a bonfire.   Regards, Douglas (Rochester, UK)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Smith Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 1:12 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Organ Peril   Dear List,   Would anyone like a free 3m pipe organ? Now's the time!   http://www.christchurchexeter.org/organ.htm   It would be nice if someone at least "harvested" the pipes from this one. It would also be a shame to see pipes smashed in a dumpster.   - Nate     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: trinity cathedral, little rock From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 10:54:14 EDT   does anyone know if trinity cathedral in little rock still has dead acoustics, or has that been altered in recent years?   scot  
(back) Subject: Why is it not used, it is brand new???? From: "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:38:25 +0000   'St. Michael's is offering their Johannus sound module model CSM-128 for sale. It is only 4 years old and seldom used so is in perfect shape. Original cost was $1400..asking $850. It is very user friendly, has 48 sounds and you can = have multiple sounds on each channel.' - Roy Daniels   Ok, this is all in jest   Why is this wonderful Johannus being sold, didn't it make the cover of the =   E-Diapason not to long ago. It is so sad to see that all the hard work = that went into making this 'unique organ is going unused' etc etc etc.   You get the point   If E-organs are so good, why do people not write stories about the demise = of the great cathedral electronics??   I am just in one of those moods today after a long night of tuning.      
(back) Subject: Re: trinity cathedral, little rock From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 12:27:23 -0500   At 09:54 AM 7/7/2005, Scot wrote: >does anyone know if trinity cathedral in little rock still has dead >acoustics, or has that been altered in recent years?   Pretty much as dead as it always has been. A very unfortunate room, = there.   --Tim (in Little Rock, a block down the street from Trinity as I type this)