PipeChat Digest #5453 - Sunday, July 10, 2005
 
Re: OHS Roll Call
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: OHS Roll Call
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
(no subject)
  by "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com>
Re: PipeChat  --  OHS Convention
  by <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com>
Re: OHS Roll Call
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net>
RE: PipeChat  --  OHS Convention
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Adagio for Strings
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Adagio
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Adagio
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Adagio
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Adagio
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
The Senator's Masterpiece (x-post)
  by "Vic Ferrer" <vic@vicferrerproductions.com>
Re: Adagio
  by "Gil Page" <kestrel6@earthlink.net>
Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version
  by <Lewwill@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: OHS Roll Call From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 05:27:47 -0500   At 8:52 AM +0100 7/9/05, Harry Grove wrote: >Pardon me, but "OHS" stands for ...... what?   Organ Historical Society http://www.organsociety.org - whose Annual Convention starts on Tuesday.  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Roll Call From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:12:51 -0500   At 02:52 AM 7/9/05, you wrote: >But nothing in connection with music . and, I mean, this entire >thread can't be "off-topic" ..... can it ? > >Harry Grove >[a.k.a. a musicman having problems with his font sizes]   ROTFL! Harry did your space craft just land? (definitely off topic) Discussion of OHS thingees are a regular topic on this list.   Welcome aboard, btw if you are interested in organ things visit the OHS website: www.organsociety.org They have a fantastic catalog of organ recordings, sheet music videos and books.   Jon aka who sadly can't get to the convention this year, but is busily packing for the POE+ in Nashville starting tomorrow.     Jon        
(back) Subject: From: "Brad Richards" <richards_brad@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 15:17:42 +0000   Rubin Frels and Brad Richards will be at OHS, Organ Hysterical Society. Also provided we can find our way from Logan to the Hotel.      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat -- OHS Convention From: <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 11:51:06 -0400   >From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> >Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 17:41:02 -0500   Glenda, This is a perfect opportunity to evacuate to the safe harbor of Boston!! Shoot! You might even find a way to make your flight from the storm tax deductible.   We've started getting heavy rain in the past few minutes, but that is typically the extend of our hurricane involvement. Sheesh... NOTHING/NOBODY wants to come to Gainesvile !! Do I blame them... I don't think so!!! heeheehee     >From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> >Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:53:45 EDT   Seb, I have one request for your review and that is to concentrate on the primary purpose of OHS conventions, that being to showcase the organs. Although it's nice to hear what someone played and how well they played it, as one who cannot attend I would really like some type of description of what the organ itself sounded like, such as stop descriptions, etc. I know this is very difficult, not to mention subjective, but anything is appreciated when one is absent.   I would love to go and this is one of my favorite venues, but Mom just got out of the hospital on Thursday and, as her caregiver, I am homebound. (Anyone have a one-rank 8' Principal organ you'd like to loan me??? ;-) heeheehee).   I'm sure everyone will have a great time at OHS. The conventions have been the highlight of my year since I first began attending.   Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow... Bruce and the Baskerbeagles   HowlingAcres http://www.baskerbeagles.com Natural products for pets & people http://www.naturalzone.biz  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Roll Call From: "mack02445" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 12:38:30 -0400     Must not be an organist then, as everone on this list knows OHS=3DOrgan Historical Society.   Harry Grove wrote:   > Pardon me, but "OHS" stands for ...... what? >    
(back) Subject: RE: PipeChat -- OHS Convention From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 13:41:11 -0500   Our satellite feed for TV and internet went out during a thunderstorm, one of the first bands coming across from the south.   No planes out after about 4:30; otherwise, Boston sounds good - that's where my brother was yesterday. He said he took some pictures of some nice organs for me. It's not the same as playing them, but . . . .   Once this generator from hell is bought and installed at the house, I think an organ may be next on the list for Wits' End Lane, so I'll have something to do during these things.   Brucie, you're getting more rain than I am right now.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of hydrant@baskerbeagles.com   Glenda, This is a perfect opportunity to evacuate to the safe harbor of Boston!! Shoot! You might even find a way to make your flight from the storm tax deductible.        
(back) Subject: Adagio for Strings From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:20:19 -0700   Hello everyone,   Is there a particular edition of an organ setting of the Barber Adagio for Strings that is widely accepted as the edition to play?   Thanks!   Eric    
(back) Subject: Adagio From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 20:52:12 EDT   um, is it acceptable to play that piece? just kidding. if you got the strings-------flaunt them..... and if you got the MIDI------------lawsy, think of the crescendo that = would allow. go to it Eric..... dale in wet and windy but NOT attacked southwest Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Adagio From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 17:56:54 -0700   Maybe not truly acceptable in polite company, but you hit the nail on the head =8B I=B9ll be recitaling in a few months on an organ with some dynamite strings, and I thought it would be fun to do the Barber.   Stay safe, Dale!         On 7/9/05 5:52 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com said something about:   > um, is it acceptable to play that piece? just kidding. > =20 > if you got the strings-------flaunt them..... > =20 > and if you got the MIDI------------lawsy, think of the crescendo that wou= ld > allow. > =20 > go to it Eric..... > =20 > dale in wet and windy but NOT attacked southwest Florida >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Adagio From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:00:28 -0400   Good Evening Eric, I don't think I would find the least bit of politeness from company who=20 would object to this wonderful arrangement performed tastefully on a=20 carefully selected instrument capable of convincing registration. One of =   the World's finest performers includes this work in his concert=20 repertoire when the conditions are right. It is hard to keep dry eyes=20 when you hear it. I am curious as to where this bias against the Barber Adagio comes from. =   Is it the general academic scorn for transcriptions or is there another=20 reason specific to the Barber? I grant you that I am still a neophyte to =   the general attitude towards organ literature and perhaps naive as a=20 result, but I find it hard to understand how the supporters of an=20 instrument teetering on the brink of total decline if not extinction can =   still feel the need to snipe at certain pieces even though they=20 entertain and really do no harm. The elitist attitude that precludes=20 such pieces of music as inappropriate for performance puzzles me and=20 frankly raises my hackles a bit. Mike Gettelman   Eric McKirdy wrote:   >Maybe not truly acceptable in polite company, but you hit the nail on th= e >head =8B I=B9ll be recitaling in a few months on an organ with some dyna= mite >strings, and I thought it would be fun to do the Barber. > >Stay safe, Dale! > > > > > > =20 > > =20 >    
(back) Subject: Re: Adagio From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:14:25 -0700   My hackles, too, Mike. I think the bias is toward transcriptions of orchestral pieces simply because there are so many transcriptions of so man= y varying qualities. Somewhere in my stash of music is a collection of symphonic and chamber works transcribed for organ (including Hammond registrations), and within that edition is a setting of the =E2=80=98Hallelujah Chorus=E2=80=99 as well as a movement from the Monteverdi Vespers and yet another transcription of the third and fourth movements from Beethoven=E2=80=99s Ninth. N= ice to have if such was requested at a wedding or funeral, but for a serious recital, to do a transcription like this would be considered schlock more than serious music. And so the scorn lives on.   I believe you are right in the case of the Barber =E2=80=94 it=E2=80=99s not as well kn= own as the Handel or the Beethoven and, like you, I=E2=80=99ve heard it done very effectively on organs which provide the right registrations to pull it off. If I may speak on Dale=E2=80=99s behalf (while he is, perhaps, outside battening down the hatches!), I think the bias is not intended against the Barber, bu= t the idea of transcriptions in general. Some are fine, but many are done seemingly more for the novelty rather than the integrity or performance value.   Eric     On 7/9/05 7:00 PM, Mike Gettelman said something about:   > Good Evening Eric, > I don't think I would find the least bit of politeness from company who > would object to this wonderful arrangement performed tastefully on a > carefully selected instrument capable of convincing registration. One of > the World's finest performers includes this work in his concert > repertoire when the conditions are right. It is hard to keep dry eyes > when you hear it. > I am curious as to where this bias against the Barber Adagio comes from. > Is it the general academic scorn for transcriptions or is there another > reason specific to the Barber? I grant you that I am still a neophyte to > the general attitude towards organ literature and perhaps naive as a > result, but I find it hard to understand how the supporters of an > instrument teetering on the brink of total decline if not extinction can > still feel the need to snipe at certain pieces even though they > entertain and really do no harm. The elitist attitude that precludes > such pieces of music as inappropriate for performance puzzles me and > frankly raises my hackles a bit. > Mike Gettelman >=20 > Eric McKirdy wrote: >=20 >> >Maybe not truly acceptable in polite company, but you hit the nail on t= he >> >head =E2=80=B9 I=C2=B9ll be recitaling in a few months on an organ with some dyna= mite >> >strings, and I thought it would be fun to do the Barber. >> > >> >Stay safe, Dale! >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > =20 >> > >> > =20 >> > >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20      
(back) Subject: The Senator's Masterpiece (x-post) From: "Vic Ferrer" <vic@vicferrerproductions.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:19:06 -0700   Hello List:   Editing of the documentary film =93The Senator=92s Masterpiece=94 is = almost =20 complete and I thought I=92d ask one last time for a couple of =20 photographs still needed.   Does anyone have a picture of ***electronic organ speakers*** sitting =20=   inside a pipe chamber, or behind a pipe facade or up in an organ =20 loft? The picture will be part of a sequence conveying the loss of =20 numerous pipe organs and how many instruments have been replaced with =20=   electronic imitations.   Also need pictures of ***vandalized pipe organs*** and ***pipe organs =20=   in dumpsters or landfills.***   All photograph submissions will be credit in the film. =93The Senator=92s = =20 Masterpiece=94 will be released as a DVD this fall through The Atlantic =20=   City Convention Hall Society.   Thank you.   Vic =96   ******************** Vic Ferrer Productions film@vicferrerproductions.com San Francisco ********************=  
(back) Subject: Re: Adagio From: "Gil Page" <kestrel6@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:32:27 -0400   I like performing this with a synthesizer pad on the manuals, and coupled to the pedal adding a soft 16' subbass. In answer to the edition question, I think the only edition available is by Strickland.   Eric McKirdy wrote:   >I believe you are right in the case of the Barber =E2=80=94 it=E2=80=99s = not as well known >as the Handel or the Beethoven and, like you, I=E2=80=99ve heard it done = very >effectively on organs which provide the right registrations to pull it = off. > >  
(back) Subject: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:27:41 -0500   Am I correct in recalling that you were asking about what arrangements/transcriptions are considered standard?   I am aware of the Strickland edition, which I have done and have others on the lists cite. Are there other arrangements for organ out there?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com            
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: "Hell-Concerts@t-online.de" <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:35:54 +0200   As to my best knowledge the Strickland-transcription is the only one, which the owner of the rights of Barber (Schirmer) would permit to perform. As to my information (which may be incorrect) Strickland was an in-house composer of Schirmer. Felix, who performs this piece, when the organ, the overall program and other circumstances allow this, told me that he has seen with his own eyes a manuscript of a transcription by Barber himself. But, as he was told by the owder of that manuscript, it cannot be performed without violating copyright laws. If someone is interested, please mail privately amd I can get you in contact to the person, who has the Barber manuscript.   Hans-Friedrich Hell     -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:27:41 +0200 Subject: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: Glenda <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org>   Am I correct in recalling that you were asking about what arrangements/transcriptions are considered standard?   I am aware of the Strickland edition, which I have done and have others on the lists cite. Are there other arrangements for organ out there?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com             ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 22:33:23 -0700   Glenda, yes, I was curious about which arrangements/transcriptions are deemed the most authentic, playable, etc.   I have found the Strickland edition, and wondered if others exist. Seems = as though Strickland is it.         On 7/9/05 8:27 PM, Glenda said something about:   > Am I correct in recalling that you were asking about what > arrangements/transcriptions are considered standard? > > I am aware of the Strickland edition, which I have done and have others > on the lists cite. Are there other arrangements for organ out there? > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:19:41 EDT   In a message dated 7/10/2005 12:34:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu writes:   I have found the Strickland edition, and wondered if others exist. Seems = as though Strickland is it.       The William Strickland transcription was authorized and reviewed (before publication) by Samuel Barber. It was and is, intentionally, the ONLY authorized transcription of the piece. Dale G. Rider , MSacredMus, CAGO Organist, Composer, Music Engraver (Finale) Independence, MO, USA  
(back) Subject: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version From: <Lewwill@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 04:35:07 EDT   Dear Listers I have played the Barber Adagio several times from the Strickland version. = This transcription is very good, but the part distribution can be changed = for greater effect. The best performance can be achieved if one has a large instrument with most, if not all, divisions enclosed. One would do well = to compare the Strickland version with the original orchestral score and/or a good recording. I list below a few redistributions that I incorporate into the Strickland =   arrangement. It is assumed that the organist has at least three manuals = (and hopefully four) at his disposal: Page 4, line 1, bar 2: left hand on Choir, right hand on Swell. Thumb alto = line down to Great (switching thumbs and fingers from right to left hands = as need be to keep the line legato) until line 3, bar 2. Page 5, line 2, bar 2: If one has manual to pedal couplers at 4' = available, it is helpful to play the pedal line down an octave, leaving the right = foot free for the swell pedal. If you have big broad Gambas in the Solo = division, lucky you! Continue to play down an octave right through page 6, bar 3. = The pedal line should always be slightly more prominent than the manual parts. Page 6, line 1, bar 4: take lowest line (beginning with the Ab notated in =   the left hand part) an octave lower than written and play it on the aforementioned 4' pedal line, and continue it through the top of page 7, = line 1, bar 2. Page 6, line 3, bar 1: ignore the indication to "Add 16', 8', and 4'." = Keep adding smooth 8' foundation stops, strings and light reeds as needed = through to the top of page 7. As the texture thickens through the last two lines = of this page, and keeping the lowest part in the pedal at 4', it might be advisable to copy these lines out, parts redistributed, for easier = reading. Page 6, line 4, measure 3: at the FF indication, Full doesn't mean "organ =   tutti" or Sforzando piston, but the culmination of all the foundation = stops. Ignore the right-foot notes in the pedal and continue to play the lowest = note an octave up. page 7, line 1, measures 2-5: Slush City. All strings and soft stuff = coupled together. All Swells to Swell. The rest of the arrangement can be played pretty much as notated. Hope this helps out those who wish to play the piece. It should be remembered that this version, while incorporating all of the notes, is = limited in scope to a two-manual instrument. To really make the piece come alive, = it will require some "outside the box" thinking. Lew Williams