PipeChat Digest #5454 - Monday, July 11, 2005
 
Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Hurricane Dennis [off-topic]
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic]
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic]
  by <keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Adagio for Strings
  by "Mack" <mack02445@comcast.net>
Copywrite Laws made Simple
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Alec Rowley's "Toccata"
  by "Richard Ditewig" <rwditewig@msn.com>
Re: Alec Rowley's "Toccata"
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
More orphaned pipes searching for new homes.
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic]
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Logan to Brockton
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
Re: OHS Roll Call
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: OHS Roll Call
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net>
Re: Copywrite Laws made Simple
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net>
MP3 file:  Guenter Raphael P+F in G
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Barber Adagio
  by "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com>
Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:21:10 -0500   At the risk of being pedantic, the original scoring of the Adagio is for string quartet- the string orchestra version is a transcription itself. Barber also arranged it for clarinet choir; I've never heard it on clarinets, but I can imagine it would be very lush (and incidentally, even closer to the organ sound than the strings.   Paul Opel   At 3:35 AM -0500 7/10/5, Lewwill@aol.com wrote: compare >the Strickland version with the original orchestral score and/or a good >recording. >   http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:23:50 -0500   Hello, Glenda, PipeChatters, et al: In the late 1960s Wicks installed a new organ, on which the Adagio for Strings was played. This was relased as an example of their "new" tonal commitment to a much more modern sound. I do not know the publishing details of the score used on that recording. Of course, this was on an LP disc, and it was released by Wicks (possibly recorded by RCA's on-site recording crew).. Overall, this recording presented a much different Wicks pipe organ sound than I had grown up with, and the recording of the Adagio for Strings was a fine presentation of the music, too. What would be wrong with making a modern transcription of the original string score? This is not a too complex piece of music for string quartet, and it has already been written in four-part harmony. By making a transcription from the original string score, this should quell copyright issues for Strickland F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 06:33:47 -0500   Good Morning, PipeChatters, et al: I asked the question "What's wrong with making a fresh transcription of the original score. . . " <released about 15 minutes ago> My question was mostly rhetorical, but WOW !!!! Lew Williams gives us a set of guidelines to actually do it. Appreciatively, F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic] From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:01:35 -0500   Just a note to you all. The latest prediction is that the eyewall will hit somewhere between Walton County (where I am) and Mobile Bay sometime in the next 6-7 hours. We are already having tropical storm conditions here - we're used to that. Rick is here until 6:00 pm trying to sleep until he goes back out in the storm. Most of the areas south of Highway 98 are evacuated.   My mom is here. My niece left town with her boyfriend and his family to Waycross, Georgia, and my brother and his wife are in New Hampshire.   One of my oldest cats may be dying, and of course there's no vet available.   We obviously still have power for now. If it had just waited one more month, we'd have had a generator installed . . . .   Hope you are having a prettier day (although the Weather Channel doesn't show a lot of nice weather today), and a great church service somewhere. Take notes - I'll watch Notre Dame South Bend if we still have power then.   Remember the people of this area in your prayers.   Looking out the window at the driving rain and wishing she had picked the pears off the tree (Jim Cantore, if you'll come to my house, I'll cook dinner),   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic] From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:18:11 -0500   Glenda   Just a note to you and to all of our members in that area of the country that my prayers are with all of you. You folks have had it rough this past year with all the hurricanes attacking that area.   I've been watching the Weather Channel and it doesn't look good for any of you. And it looks like Dennis is going to proceed straight up to Memphis by sometime tomorrow. Here in Little Rock they are predicting up to 2 inches of rain for us tomorrow from Dennis. So many people around the South are going to be affected by him.   Keep in touch as much as you can.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic] From: <keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:37:49 -0400     Glenda, we here in Charlie country are remembering you. still windy and rainy = here but really no hassle this time for us. hang in there dale in southwest florida       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: Adagio for Strings From: "Mack" <mack02445@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:59:20 -0700   The Strickland version was approved by Barber.   Mack   Eric McKirdy wrote:   >Is there a particular edition of an organ setting of the Barber Adagio = for >Strings that is widely accepted as the edition to play? > > >    
(back) Subject: Copywrite Laws made Simple From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:58:19 -0500   Good Afternoon, PipeChatters: Since I stuck my foot in my mouth and asked the questions, let me offer a couple of resources you may link to your computer on the Internet: http://www.benedict.com/info/Law/FairUse.aspx This gets you to a home page for a lively presentation to understanding the Copyright laws in plain language. But this website takes you into Fair Use functions, that may give the right to "copy" something for your own use (...and then it goes into quite a bit of info about what justifies your own use of some that is under Copyright control. http://www.benedict.com/info/Law/LawDuration.aspx This website give you a simple block diagram of the flow process of Copywrite coverage. This was good enough that even I understood it. http://www.benedict.com/info/Law/PublicDomain.aspx Provides you with information that determines how a document (in whatever from) goes from being under protection of the Copywrite laws or "dies" into Public Domain. - - - - - - Having gone this far, it appears that copying Barber's scores for any reason other than Fair Use needs a better opinion that I can give today. Can any of you figure out if copying the original version of the string quartet, the string orchestra, or the clarinet version for you to play in a public recital is Fair Use or plagerism? We have many, many recitals played by people who are not presenting a work like this for "profit," as would a Professional Recitalist. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 14:58:36 EDT   In a message dated 7/10/2005 7:13:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, popel@sover.net writes:   >At the risk of being pedantic, the original scoring of the Adagio is for >string quartet- the string orchestra version is a transcription itself. >Barber also arranged it for clarinet choir; Didn't Barber also arrange the Adagio for chorus, calling it Agnus Dei? =   (or did someone else make that transition?) Richard Spittel        
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio: a few changes to the Strickland version From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:06:49 EDT   barber himself also wrote a choral arrangement of it. think it's to the agnus dei text.  
(back) Subject: Alec Rowley's "Toccata" From: "Richard Ditewig" <rwditewig@msn.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:45:17 -0700   anyone out there know where I can find a copy of Alec Rowley's = "Toccata"? any help will be much appreciated. =20     Richard Ditewig
(back) Subject: Re: Alec Rowley's "Toccata" From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 18:42:36 -0500   If this is the Toccata (Moto perpetuo) from 1951, it was published by Novello. There's also a Fantasy and Fugal Toccata from 1936, published by Joseph Williams. I assume, however, you're looking for the first of these two. A "Special Order Edition" may be the way to go if this is long out of print, which I suspect it may be. These special reprints can be expensive and sometimes are not carefully produced, unfortunately.   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Ditewig <rwditewig@msn.com> To: pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Alec Rowley's "Toccata"     > anyone out there know where I can find a copy of Alec Rowley's = "Toccata"? any help will be much appreciated.      
(back) Subject: More orphaned pipes searching for new homes. From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 20:38:45 EDT   Greetings lists, Once again a couple broken ranks of wood pipes will be sent to the dump unless someone is willing to travel to the central Ohio area to take = them. Please note, these pipes have been declared unusable by a knowledgeable voicer. Kindly do not criticize my efforts to recycle them. If you have = doubts, kindly bring a truck and take them for your own uses. I cannot ship these pipes. They must be picked up by whomever wishes to = use them. Artists, crafts people, decorators are all welcome to pick some up. To = make arrangements, please contact me privately. First come, first served! Thank you, Stan Krider  
(back) Subject: Re: Hurricane Dennis [off-topic] From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:51:46 -0500   I have just talked to both Glenda and to Lynn Lauderdale who is also on this list and both of them are OK. Dennis wasn't as bad as Ivan was last year and Dennis passed through the area rather fast.   Glenda lives about 60 to 70 miles East of Pensacola and is fairly far inland so she doesn't get all the storm as it hits at the coast. Lynn lives in Downtown Pensacola and therefore does get a bit more of the storm problems. But both of them have made it through OK.   Just wanted to update all of you.   David  
(back) Subject: Logan to Brockton From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:46:37 -0400   If the hotel doesn't have a shuttle, one thing you can do is take the = Logan Express coach to Braintree and then a taxi to Brockton. Or you = can take the Red Line to Ashmont, and I believe there is a BAT bus from = Ashmont to Westgate Mall, where the hotel is.   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-=20   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions:=20 "There let the pealing organ blow,=20 To the full-voiced choir below,=20 In service high, and anthems clear,=20 As may with sweetness, through mine ear,=20 Dissolve me into ecstasies,=20 And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes".=20 John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).=20   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty=20 Boston, MA 02131 =20 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Roll Call From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:32:34 -0400   How did Google miss the "Oregon Historical Society"??? tommylee   > A 'Google search turned up_ > > 1 Office of Health & Safety > 2 Ohio Historical Society > 3 A firm of Australian consultants > 4 The Oral Society (make of that what you will) 5 Hand-made > luxury kitchen manufacturer in Germany 6 Office of Hearing Services > 7 Haileybury Society (OHs). > 8 In science, CISCO (the Cooled Infrared Spectrograph and Camera > for OHS) is a 10242 ... The OH suppressor (OHS) is a device inserted > in the light path before CISCO > 9 Open Hypermedis Systems (whatever they do) and even the > 10 Ontario Hand-weavers and Spinners > > But nothing in connection with music . and, I mean, this entire > thread can't be "off-topic" ..... can it ?    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Roll Call From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 23:12:40 -0400   Hi TommyLee, What I find confusing is my Google search on OHS displays different than yours. Much of it is the same though the Oregon Historical Society is the first entry. Page 2 is necessary to get to the OHS catalog entry and the OHS home page. Interesting indeed. Mike   TommyLee Whitlock wrote:   >How did Google miss the "Oregon Historical Society"??? >tommylee > > > >>A 'Google search turned up_ >> >>1 Office of Health & Safety >>2 Ohio Historical Society >>3 A firm of Australian consultants >>4 The Oral Society (make of that what you will) 5 Hand-made >>luxury kitchen manufacturer in Germany 6 Office of Hearing Services >>7 Haileybury Society (OHs). >>8 In science, CISCO (the Cooled Infrared Spectrograph and Camera >>for OHS) is a 10242 ... The OH suppressor (OHS) is a device inserted >>in the light path before CISCO >>9 Open Hypermedis Systems (whatever they do) and even the >>10 Ontario Hand-weavers and Spinners >> >>But nothing in connection with music . and, I mean, this entire >>thread can't be "off-topic" ..... can it ? >> >> > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:36:49 -0500   F. Richard Burt wrote:   > What would be wrong with making a modern transcription [of the Barber > "Adagio" for strings] of the original string score?   The biggest problem is that a transcription is a derived work, and to make the transcription of a work under copyright without permission of the copyright holder is a violation of copyright laws. However, there are a couple of work-arounds. As the Barber Adagio has been recorded, it is subject to the "compulsory license" provisions of the U.S. copyright code. Now, under the compulsory license provisions, one is permitted to make any necessary editions needed to record the work, so if a organist were sufficiently dissatisfied with the Strickland edition, he could record the work, and under the terms of the compulsory license provisions, prepare a new edition. He could not sell the new transcription without permission, but if a performer with sufficient name recognition created a new edition under these terms, I'm guessing those who control the copyright, (in this case, I understand the copyright owner is G. Schirmer / Music Sales; IIRC, the sole distributor in the U.S. is Hal Leonard) would consider issueing the new edition.   Another work around: purchase a copy of the String Quartet version, and learn to transcribe it "on the fly". As long as the performer is playing from a legal edition, and fees are paid, assuming there is nothing in the performance contract requiring conformity to a particular edition, there would be no further recourse from the rights owners.   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Copywrite Laws made Simple From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:52:11 -0500   F. Richard Burt wrote:   > Can any of you figure out if copying the original version of the > string quartet, the string orchestra, or the clarinet version for you > to play in a public recital is Fair Use or plagerism?   Except for the permissions granted under the compulsory license provisions relative to recording, creating an Organ edition out of any other edition would be an arrangement, or a transcription, and a derived work, and except under the statutory provisions governing compulsory licenses, I believe that any transcription without permission of the copyright holder would violate copyright laws. Fair use, as far as I can tell has no bearing; this might be applicable if one purchased the Strickland, and needed to make a copy to facilitate a page turn, for example. Plagiarism, also is not applicable, since plagiarism is when one claims authorship of work of which one is not the author, as for example, you find an unpublished organ composition by someone else, and publish it claiming that it is yours.   > We have many, many recitals played by people who are not presenting > a work like this for "profit,"   Whether or not the recital is for profit has no bearing on copyright, though it might have a bearing on royalties for performance rights. The two are different. If you go to the bookstore, and purchase a copy of Bertholt Brecht's Libretto to "The Threepenny Opera", you have purchased the right to own a copy; you have not purchased the right to perform the work, for which you need to pay performance rights (or since, acting would be involved, "Grand Rights".)   ns  
(back) Subject: MP3 file: Guenter Raphael P+F in G From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:45:55 -0700   This week we have the Prelude and Fugue in G by G=FCnter Raphael   ftp://diapason.dk/raphpfg.mp3   G=FCnter Raphael wrote quite a lot of music, most of which is never = heard... His organ works are very well-crafted, exciting music, and the Prelude und Fuge in G is no exception. It is a "Variation-Fugue", in other words, after the first exposition of the theme, it is varied in several different ways, each time in a fugal manner, finally culminating in a massive full-organ = harmonization of the theme.   An interesting note of trivia... Raphael wrote a stunning organ concerto which was recorded on the Motette label on LP, never re-released on CD. It is a WONDERFUL 20th century composition for strings, trumpets, Timpani vs. organ, and ends with a mighty fugue on "Ein feste burg". The recording of the concerto was made on the big Klais at Altenburg... grab it if you ever see the LP in a used record shop! (it also includes a recording of his organ sonata, another fine piece)   I will be on holiday for a couple of weeks, so no mp3's will be forthcoming during that time. Also, all orders received July 11-26 will be shipped the week after I return.   Never fear, I have a TON of cool recordings to share when I get back   Enjoy,   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ and Choral Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re: Barber Adagio for . . . organ From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 01:10:42 EDT   Dear "ns" - If one of us needs to quote you to our copyright attorney, how do we find =   out who to credit? dg  
(back) Subject: Barber Adagio From: "Charlie Lester" <crl@137.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:50:49 -0700   Dear Lew,   Thanks for posting your edits of the Barber Adagio. I love playing the piece on the organ, and am going to incorporate your suggestions into my copy of the music.   btw, I have found that the piece can be effectively played even if you don't have the Wanamaker Organ's 88-rank floating String Section! [Not to mention the other, what, 70 or so additional strings distributed across the main divisions!]   It can be registered "idiomatically" and yield a wonderful effect without strings ---- starting with soft flutes, building up the foundations, then to the mutations, mixtures and reeds, to full organ at the climax and then back down to a soft Bourdon at the end -- much the way one might register a piece from the French romantic school.   It can work very well this way even on a moderately sized organ - I've played it on my III/25 1957 Stoot Casavant and it's wonderful on that instrument.* However, it probably wouldn't fly on those instruments vying for the "world's smallest organ contest, haha!   *see http://137.com/faith/page3.html   Of course, Strings ARE the best though! And it is perhaps for this piece alone that my dream organ would have -- along with the usual "proper" resources -- multiple ranks of soft foundations, strings, celestes, and Vox humanae on every manual, several ranks of keen strings in the Solo Organ, and a floating String organ of about 15 ranks or so (with a soft Dulciana mixture shimmering on top) to fill it all out.   Those who don't understand -- or scoff at -- this tonal concept are missing out on an awful lot of beautiful organ tone, and are short-changing their parishioners and audiences. (Who was it who said something along the line of "More souls are saved with the Chimes and Vox Humana than with any other stops in the organ" ?!)   Again, much obliged,   ~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ Charlie Lester    
(back) Subject: Re: MP3 file: - Orwig Spirituals for Organ - no. 1 Dem Bones From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:31:00 -0700   Will a score of "dem bones" be available soon on the site? Or will you wait till you do the set? (I'm sending the question to the list just because maybe some others are wondering too) Andy