PipeChat Digest #5463 - Tuesday, July 19, 2005
 
Power Surge
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: Power Surge & protection
  by <Welltremmd@aol.com>
Re: Power Surge & protection
  by "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu>
Re: Power Surge
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net>
Fw: [Residence Organs]  Surge Protection
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Power Surge
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Power Surge
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Re: Power Surge
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: Power Surge
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
Nashville Pipe Organ Encounter Part 3
  by "Jon C." <opus1100@sbcglobal.net>
IRC Tonight
  by "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org>
Austin Organ for sale?
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Austin Organ for sale?
  by "Jon C." <opus1100@sbcglobal.net>
O&OO Update
  by "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net>
Upcoming events at West Point (NY)
  by "William Chapman" <wmgrantchapman@msn.com>
Fwd: Practice organ for sale
  by "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: [Residence Organs]  Surge Protection
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Austin Organ for sale?
  by <RUXTONCAR@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Power Surge From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:28:57 -0400   List,   Does somebody know what tends to go wrong or refer me to a web source that might:   Lightning struck close to home last week, and we were without power for about 14 hrs. My computer is plugged into a UPS, and my TV and VCR/DVD = are not hooked to cable.   My old Clavinova will no longer play. I know, "big loss", you might say. Anyway, the keyboard does serve a purpose down in the basement. At the = time of the lightning strike, the Clavinova was "On", though I wasn't playing = it at the moment. My daughter said that, when the power came back on, she = saw that it was on, so she turned it off. Yesterday, I went down to practice, and it wouldn't play. When I turn it On, all the appropriate lights come on, and the keyboard appears to be "On". No sound comes out. I've tried several voices, fiddled with the volume control, etc.   I've generally thought that these things just "blow up". IOW, you turn on the switch and NOTHING happens.   Does it tend to be a fixable problem or does one end up trashing the unit. The only other things in the house that has ceased to work are two garage door openers.   Thanks, Keith    
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge & protection From: <Welltremmd@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:22:04 EDT   Here is a link to an item that might be of some future protection. Does anyone else on the list have any suggestions or remedies to protect = solid-state pipe organ relays/control systems? I have a SyCom SYC120/240TC whole-house surge suppressor here at my home. = I don't have an organ, but there are several thousand dollars tied up in = PCs, plasma TV, LCD TVs, etc, etc - not worth tempting Mother Nature to make = them all useless with one hit of lightning. Here is a link to find out more information about these. _http://www.lightningrodparts.com/surge.html_ (http://www.lightningrodparts.com/surge.html)    
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge & protection From: "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:40:04 -0500   =20 =20 Don W. McClure, PE Systems Engineer University of North Texas   >>> Welltremmd@aol.com 7/18/2005 9:22 AM >>>   <snip> _http://www.lightningrodparts.com/surge.html_=20 (http://www.lightningrodparts.com/surge.html)=20 </snip> =20 This is an excellent suggestion, in this engineer's opinion. =20 I believe the above-named devices would furnish the same type of=20 protection to pipe organ systems as well--and let us not forget: most organ combination actions (recent installations, say after 1985) are DIGITAL in nature. One of the instruments I play regularly has only a single coaxial cable between the console and its related pipework--so ALL the key-to-pipe control systems are digital, with digital encoding in the console, AND DIGITAL DECODING AT THE PIPECHESTS. Both console and pipechest, therefore, are subject to the same surge risk . The instrument in question is 4m/ca 80R, so the instrument utilizes significant signal multiplexing for its operation.=20 =20 Hope this helps... =20 =20     =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ev1.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:41:18 -0500   Keith Zimmerman wrote:   From what you describe of your clavinova's failure after the lightning strike, it sounds to me like there is a blown circuit board inside the machine. A large problem here is your characterization of the machine as "old"; this suggests to me that it is highly likely that the machine is out of warranty. So, if it were me, the first thing I'd do is contact a local Yamaha keyboard instruments dealer, and ask about availability of repair parts parts for your instrument. Also enquire about bench charges.   I had a problem with a different make and model of electronic instrument, and discovered that by the time I paid the bench charge (just to get the item looked at), it would be 1/3 the cost of replacing the instrument with an equivalent new one. Under the circumstances, if the machine is out of warranty, and you have any idea at all of how to deal with electronic equipment (e.g., you can install an upgrade in your own PC), you might open the clavinova, and just look around. There is a chance that the problem is something as simple as a connector having come loose, but my guess is that the surge from the lightning strike damaged something in the instrument. And for what it's worth, the fact that the machine was "on" may have been of little consequence. I have known equipment to have been damaged by electrical surges from lightning strikes even when the equipment the equipment was turned off, as long as it was connected to the outlet.   One other thing to try: if the device is equipped with MIDI in and out, you might try connecting it to a computer, and seeing if the MIDI still functions; if so, you may still get utility from the device as a keyboard controller. Also, if there is provision for external sound speakers (headphone jack, for example) you might try those, too, to see if they function. The internal speakers in my laptop do not work reliably; there's a short somewhere, and the most expedient solution is to use the headphone jack, and connect external speakers.   ns    
(back) Subject: Fw: [Residence Organs] Surge Protection From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:17:35 -0500   > Good Morning, Keith, et al: > I use Line Conditioners, made by TrippLite. This is not a > typical surge protector, though it will protect against surges. > Buy them from TechDEPOT.com and you get the best prices. > LC1200 (1200 watts), LC1800 (1800 watts), LC2400 (2400 watts) > > Do this, and you don't have problems with brown outs or > consistently high voltage. There is enough Joule rating to > handle most lightning strikes (except direct hits) and you get > $25,000 warranty coverage on the stuff you are protecting if it > is damaged while properly grounded; to the NEC standard (latest > version). > Line voltage is regulated through the line conditioners. > Exceed the limits and it shuts down. > F. Richard Burt > Dorian Organs > . > > > ******************************************** > DIYAPASON-L: a Discussion list for owners and builders of their > own Residence Pipe Organs. > HOMEPAGE : http://www.diyapason.pipechat.org > List: mailto:DIYAPASON-L@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:50:20 EDT   Lightning strikes will blow fuses in musical instruments as well as components that will make them unplayable. Other electronic devices can be severely damaged too. Surge protected plug blocks are almost useless. You need to use a line cleaner which will take the hit and protect delicate electronics.   Modern cars can be disabled externally under strong magnetic storm conditions. It fries the computer chips that make it run, making them vulnerable.   Ron    
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:34:30 -0400   >Keith Zimmerman wrote: > >From what you describe of your clavinova's failure after the >lightning strike, it sounds to me like there is a blown circuit >board inside the machine. A large problem here is your >characterization of the machine as "old"; this suggests to me that >it is highly likely that the machine is out of warranty. So, if it >were me, the first thing I'd do is contact a local Yamaha keyboard >instruments dealer, and ask about availability of repair parts parts >for your instrument. Also enquire about bench charges. > >I had a problem with a different make and model of electronic >instrument, and discovered that by the time I paid the bench charge >(just to get the item looked at), it would be 1/3 the cost of >replacing the instrument with an equivalent new one. Under the >circumstances, if the machine is out of warranty, and you have any >idea at all of how to deal with electronic equipment (e.g., you can >install an upgrade in your own PC), you might open the clavinova, >and just look around. There is a chance that the problem is >something as simple as a connector having come loose, but my guess >is that the surge from the lightning strike damaged something in the >instrument. And for what it's worth, the fact that the machine was >"on" may have been of little consequence. I have known equipment to >have been damaged by electrical surges from lightning strikes even >when the equipment the equipment was turned off, as long as it was >connected to the outlet. >One other thing to try: if the device is equipped with MIDI in and >out, you might try connecting it to a computer, and seeing if the >MIDI still functions; if so, you may still get utility from the >device as a keyboard controller. Also, if there is provision for >external sound speakers (headphone jack, for example) you might try >those, too, to see if they function. The internal speakers in my >laptop do not work reliably; there's a short somewhere, and the most >expedient solution is to use the headphone jack, and connect >external speakers. > >ns Most keyboards use an amplifier chip to drive the speakers. It may well be blown, so it appears to work but no sound. Some times there is more than one fuse inside - worth checking for. Definitely find out if the power is still going every where in the unit.   John V  
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:48:10 -0700   You don't mention the model of Clavinova. If its a really early one like the CLP-30 you're probably better off (and maybe even cheaper) replacing the instrument. But the first thing that I thought of was that one bit got reset. (MIDI Local Off.) Enabling the MIDI Stream to flow but not have the instrument produce sounds itself.   Have you tried doing a factory reset? This is usually accomplished holding down a button or two while powering on the system. (On my P-200 it's MIDI and VOICE; I don't recall what it was on the CLP-30, but it should be well documented.)   If it's a fuse at the amplifier, then that should be a quick easy replacement too, but who knows what they'll charge. Certainly the repair guy is going to check for further damage too. And it is the route to go rather than the DIY fix.     On 7/18/05, Keith Zimmerman <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> wrote: > List, >=20 > Does somebody know what tends to go wrong or refer me to a web source tha= t > might:   > My old Clavinova will no longer play. I know, "big loss", you might say. > Anyway, the keyboard does serve a purpose down in the basement. At the t= ime > of the lightning strike, the Clavinova was "On", though I wasn't playing = it > at the moment. =20   > I've generally thought that these things just "blow up". IOW, you turn o= n > the switch and NOTHING happens. >=20 > Does it tend to be a fixable problem or does one end up trashing the unit= .. > The only other things in the house that has ceased to work are two garage > door openers.   --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:03:40 -0400   > > > Does it tend to be a fixable problem or does one end up trashing the = unit. >> The only other things in the house that has ceased to work are two = garage > > door openers.   one of the sneaky things in electronics is the "unmentioned hidden fuse" especially when it says "no user serviceable parts inside".   Very often there IS a fuse somewhere. So far I have repaired dozens of "wall warts" by cutting them open if need be, and replacing the fuse, then gluing them back together. A multi speed fan that quit, had a fuse hidden right at the motor windings!   I think it is to pass the safety codes that things have to be fused some where, but the consumer does not need to know ;-)   Unfortunately that adds a lot to the waste stream.   John V  
(back) Subject: Nashville Pipe Organ Encounter Part 3 From: "Jon C." <opus1100@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:36:28 -0500   I cannot say enough about what great events are=20 Pipe Organ Encounters I stated earlier=20 that Nashville was the place for pipe organ this=20 last week. I am not forgetting the OHS=20 Convention was also last week, but the Encounters are a much different, OHS Conventions are wonderful events to see and=20 hear terrific historical instruments played by=20 first class artists. Pipe Organ Encounters are=20 primarily intended for teen musicians as a hands=20 on experience with coaching by the best in=20 concert artists and church musicians. To be a=20 participant rather than just an observer. Each=20 participant is given an hour lesson each day and an hour of practice time.   The Nashville AGO had two Encounters=85one for teens and the other for= adults. There were some shared events, but for the most=20 part there were separate workshops geared to the=20 particular group. The first evening the events were shared. Throughout the Week there were numerous opportunities for open console.   The first fill day was Monday the 11th. I=20 previously reported on the days activities for The POE PLUS students (adults) and will regress=20 to give you and idea of the activities for both groups. The teens will be referred to as POE and the adults as= PLUS.   Monday::   Breakfast at Belmont University Both groups go to Scarit-Benett Chapel for lesson=20 introducing the organ with Jennie Lou Smith providing information on the=20 various components of the pipe organ. The case of the 3m/32 rank Casavant=20 tracker was open for observation of the operation of the tracker action. PLUS Students depart for lessons and practice POE students: 9:45 AM-11:30 Technique Building=20 and How to Practice/How to Start a Piece (Gayle Sullivan, Teacher) POE and PLUS 12 Noon Lunch at Belmont UMC POE 12:45 PM Depart for Lessons POE 1:30PM Lessons and Practice PLUS: Workshops in Franklin TN with Angela Tipps POE and PLUS: 4:30 Master Class at Belmont HTS.=20 Baptist Church on service playing Marilyn Keiser- teacher POE and PLUS: Return to Belmont University for Carillon demontstation and= tour Richard Shadinger,=20 Carilloneur, dinner served on the patio under the Carillon during the concert POE and PLUS: 7;30 Concert by Felix Hell at the Belmont United Methodist= Church (the program was=20 posted in an earlier report) open console followed the concert   The next report will cover the activities of both=20 groups for Tuesday and Wednesday regards, Jon   =20      
(back) Subject: IRC Tonight From: "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:37:10 -0500   Just a reminder that some of the PipeChat members that meets 'on-line" for live chats will be meeting tonight beginning at 9:00 PM EASTERN time on the #pipechat IRC Channel. Last Friday a couple of our members that are at the OHS Convention did get on briefly and gave us some reports about the Convention and hopefully, since this is the last night for the Convention they will join us again. And I have a feeling that Jon H will be joining us as he usually does so there may be more conversation about the POE and POE+ last week in Nashville.   If you haven't joined us in the past and need instructions you can find how to set-up your IRC program by going to http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html You can also join us via your web browser by pointing it to http://irc.pipechat.org:8080/   See some of you tonight on-line!   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Austin Organ for sale? From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:06:57 EDT   Greetings, Has anyone heard about Austin Organ being for sale? I've heard rumors, but = nothing for sure. Musically, Stan Krider    
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Organ for sale? From: "Jon C." <opus1100@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:30:03 -0500   What I heard last week while down in Nashville (from the local organbuilder) was that Mama Austin was now in charge and looking for investors. Stan can go dig one of his millions out of the cellar and help keep Austin afloat...they apparently need CASH...lotsa = CASH   Jon   At 05:06 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote: > >Greetings, > >Has anyone heard about Austin Organ being for sale? I've heard rumors, = but >nothing for sure. > >Musically, > >Stan Krider > > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: O&OO Update From: "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:49:15 -0500   Greetings List,   FYI. The News & Events and Public Downloads pages of the O&OO website = have been updated.   Audio: Aarnoud de Groen plays music of JS Bach. Prelude and Fugue in B = minor BWV 544 (mp3), and the Vivace from Sonata VI (video) on the III/28 = 1972 Vierdag organ at Bethelehemkerk in The Hague, NL.   Terrific performances!   News & Events: 2005 International Organ Festival at Hasselt, BE, and = performances by Johan Hermans.   Recitals by Aarnoud de Groen.   Cheers,   Tim
(back) Subject: Upcoming events at West Point (NY) From: "William Chapman" <wmgrantchapman@msn.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:55:18 -0400   For those of you looking for events at the Cadet Chapel:   Concerts in the Cadet Chapel Sundays at 3:00 p.m. All open to the public and free of charge   Fall, 2005   November 13 Thomas Schmidt, organist/cantor St. Peter=92s Lutheran = Citicorp Center, New York, NY. (Recital given in memory of CH James Ford)   December 4 Handel=92s Messiah     Spring, 2006     March 26 Kenneth Dake, organist, Marble Collegiate Church, New = York, NY (Class of 1964 Recital Series)   May 7 Paul Jacobs, Organ Chair, the Juilliard School (Class of =   1936 Distinguished Organists Recital Series)     Grant Chapman   _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar =96 get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Practice organ for sale From: "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 18:45:11 -0500   As you can see, we got this at the Administration address with the request that we forward it to the list. The organ is a cute little three rank Reuter tracker. See the PDF file at the URL below and if you are interested please contact Rob at the address below since he is not on the list.   David   >From: "Robert Horton" <Bombarde16@comcast.net> >To: <admin@pipechat.org> >Subject: Practice organ for sale >Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:30:27 -0500 > > > >I am listing a mechanical-action practice organ for sale and believe >that the following will be of interest to the membership of pipechat. >If it is possible, please forward the following link to the list and >tell any interested parties to contact me directly. > >http://home.comcast.net/~bombarde16/op2056.pdf > >Kind regards, >Rob Horton   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: [Residence Organs] Surge Protection From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:13:07 -0500   I just purchased 2 replacement surge protectors with 3240 joules. Brand is Maxima (a Fiskars brand company) for home theater systems, with a $500,000 limited connected equipment warranty. It has up to 10 total outlets. It came from WalMart and was about $30 each for the two.   However, don't get excited about the warranty. The protector is warranted to be good until it isn't good anymore - I'm not kidding.   I'm only writing about this from my off-topic perspective because of the discussion of surge protectors for electronic/digital organic stuff.   Rick has hooked up the old RCA to a radio antenna and is watching snowy TV. He wants to order a TV tonight. Didn't take long, did it?   Mourning my beloved Trinitron lying in state on the loft floor,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Austin Organ for sale? From: <RUXTONCAR@aol.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:40:26 EDT   You are only partly correct, however the company has been offered for sale = to a qualified buyer through the company's accountant/consultant Helming and Co., Wallingford CT.   Carl Schwartz