PipeChat Digest #5466 - Thursday, July 21, 2005 Re: Power Surge by <Justinhartz@aol.com> Re: OHS Suffocating Heat by <RUXTONCAR@aol.com> Fw: OHS Suffocating Heat by "Paul Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Nashville Pipe Organ Encounters Part 4 by "Jon C." <email@example.com> Re: OHS Suffocating Heat by "Mark" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Power Surge by "Jan Nijhuis" <email@example.com> Re: AC by "Brad Richards" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Nashville Pipe Organ Encounters Pictures by "Jon C." <email@example.com> Re: OHS Suffocating Heat by "Andy Lawrence" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: OHS Suffocating Heat by "Andy Lawrence" <email@example.com> Re: PipeChat OHS by <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:49:29 EDT My advice - Make your piano tuner happy. Ditch the appliance and buy a real piano. Justin Hartz
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Suffocating Heat From: <RUXTONCAR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:20:20 EDT All I saw was Sebastian Gluck sitting in polite silence or perhaps it was that he was overcome by heat stroke and unable to speak... It is a test of an organ and player to rouse the assembled multitudes hallucinating from mold and overcome by lack of oxygen out of their = stupor....and most did. Someone asked WHAT I was carrying in my backpack...WATER, which serves to stave off dehydration, and I suppose that I could have doused myself with = same but it would have been unseemly and embarrasing to my family. It was a warm convention to be certain but the Central Pennsylvania = gathering was moreso - I think I was unconscious for most of the recitals, nodding = off, and hopefully not snoring. I appreciated the ocean breezes in Fall River = and Fairhaven. My only gripe was the stinky hotel - cigarette smoke or deodorizer - it permeated everything...I will take the mold anyday over that. We had = reserved TWO rooms and when we arrived the desk told us that we had cancelled one of = them that afternoon - NOT....apparently they decided that it was a duplication. = Fortunately they came up with another..likely someone was put out who = arrived later. Kudos to the bartender at the Portugese Buffet who knew how to make a = really splendid Martini. The Hotel staff also were very responsive. These conventions are not the luxury tour and I think that the committee, overall, pulled off a great one. Cheers Carl Schwartz Silver Spring, MD (air -conditioned) Warren VT (not...)
(back) Subject: Fw: OHS Suffocating Heat From: "Paul Smith" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:44:44 -0500 > It is a test of an organ and player to rouse the assembled multitudes > hallucinating from mold and overcome by lack of oxygen out of their > stupor....and > most did. Remember that, in the normal use of these old churches there is a Sunday morning service, often moved to a more comfortably early hour for the = Summer time, and nobody is ever there in the middle of the afternoon. So it would = be an irresponsible use of church funds to build in the necessary systems for such very occational day-time use as visiting organ conventions. Such installations might even degrade some of the original architectural detail = that makes the building a joy to enter. It would be a good idea to have a reasonable number of windows openable, and I can't imagine any reticence = to turn up the bus's A.C. I imagine a congregation's response to heat-related = complaints on a 95 degree afternoon would be to invite you back at 8 AM on = a Sunday morning!
(back) Subject: Nashville Pipe Organ Encounters Part 4 From: "Jon C." <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:45:09 -0500 Nashville Pipe Organ Encounters Part 4 The Nashville Chapter of AGO took on a=20 challenging project by hosting two Pipe Organ=20 Encounters this July=85a POE for teens and a POE+=20 for adults. Many of the events were shared by=20 both groups, but during the day the groups went=20 in different directions. The activities of the=20 teen group will be indicated by POE, the adults=20 by PLUS and shared events by ALL. On Tuesday July 12 All: Breakfast at Gabhart Student Center, Belmont University POE: Classes at Belmont United Methodist Church (4m 70 rk Moller) Hymn Playing- Angela Tipps teacher Improvisation-Doug Murray teacher PLUS: Lessons and Practice All: 12 noon Lunch at Belmont United Methodist Church POE: Lessons and Practice PLUS:Workshop at Calvary United Methodist Church (3m 40 rk Schantz) Organ Registration-Ken Stein teacher ALL: First Presbyterian Church-Franklin (3m 74 rank Beckrath) Organ Master Class-Cherry Rhodes All: Dinner at Brentwood United Methodist Church followed by open console before concert 7:30 Pipe Organ Encounters and Nashville Summer Pipe Organ Festival Concert with Tom Trenney accompanying the original Lon= Chaney Silent film classic =93Phantom of the Opera=94 on the= Brentwood UMC 4m 86rank 1988 Moller pipe organ. Hearing this film= accompanied on a large classical instrument=20 is a thrilling experience. Most theatre pipe organs were usually less than 20=20 ranks and contained mainly solo voices which meant they could not=20 provide the huge ensemble effect of a large classical organ. This is not=20 meant to denigrate theatre instruments, they were designed to provide a=20 variety of tasks including accompanying 2 reel comedies with all the=20 requisite sound effects, feature films and often vaudeville acts. POE: swimming party at the Y PLUS: Party at a AGO member residence. Wednesday July 13 All: Breakfast at Belmont University POE: Lessons and Practice PLUS: Organ crawl in downtown Nashville Christ Church Cathedral =96 (3m 60 rank 2003 Lively-Fulcher= Organ) First Baptist Church- (4m 59 rank 1970 Schantz Organ) Downtown Presbyterian-(I could not=20 find the information on this organ in the handbook=85it is originally an=20 Austin organ enlarged by Milnar pipe organs with the addition of a Great=20 Positive=85the Swell and Choir are on the Austin original Universal windchest) This was the highpoint of the organ tour. The=20 church sanctuary is a Nuevo Egyptian d=E9cor was has been carefully restored to its=92=20 original appearance. A guided tour inside of the Universal Windchest was provided by local organbuilder Dennis Milnar. Class: Improvisation workshop with Polly Brecht (teacher) PLUS: Lunch on their own in downtown Nashville POE: Lunch and visit to Milnar Pipe Organ shop PLUS: Lessons and Practice POE: Dinner at St. Andrews Lutheran PLUS: Dinner at Belmont University ALL: POE and Nashville Summer Pipe Organ Festival at St. George=92s= Episcopal Church with French organists Vincent=20 Dubois and Olivier Huett. Both the young French artists teach in=20 conservatories in Paris and Dijon respectively. They are fantastic at the keyboard with both=20 conventional music and improvisations. Their final selection was improvisation=20 with Vincent improvising on the theme of the French National Anthem (in honor of=20 Bastille Day- July 14th) and Olivier on the theme of the American National=20 Anthem)=85the two improvisations were back to back with seamless transition with=20 Olivier taking over on the manual as Vincent slipped off the bench and continued=20 until Olivier completely. The themes were given to them an introduction to the improvisation. The Program at St. George=92s (3m 85 rank 1986 Casavant) Fantaisie and Fugue in g minor =85J. S.=20 Bach Vincent Dubois Benedictus Max=20 Reger Olivier Houette Choral No, 2 in b minor C=E9sar FRANCK Prelude and Fugue in g minor Marcel Dupr=E9 Sonata III in A Major Cantabile=20 Vincent Dubois Pi=E9ce h=E9roque C=E9sar FRANCK Impromptu Louis Vierne Final from Sonata I Alexandre GUILMANT IMPROVISATION=20 Vincent Dubois & Olivier Houette The Nashville Summer Pipe Organ Festival concludes on Thursday evening with a concert with Marilyn Keiser, Douglas=20 Cleveland, Tom Trenney, and Cherry Rhodes. The Nashville Summer Pipe Organ Festival was given as a gift to the people of Nashville and there was there no admission charge. =20
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Suffocating Heat From: "Mark" <email@example.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 23:44:04 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Hi all,=0D =0D I was just wondering something. =0D =0D So many are reporting having issues with the July heat in churches that h= ave no air conditioning. Others are expressing concerns about the potential health issues that may arise as a result of being exposed to such extreme= s as high heat, mold, mildew and stale air. =0D =0D It would seem to me that OHS would take into consideration that those churches which seem to be home of and for these historic instruments are most likely not going to have such "creature comforts" as air conditionin= g.=20 Further, because of security risks, heat loss in winter months, and somet= ime due to a lack of proper maintenance, windows in these facilities may be sealed or even not operate at all.=0D =0D When planning the convention, why are they not planning the event for eit= her mid Autumn or early Spring. I realize that some, if not most, attendees might be somewhat limited in their ability to attend in early Spring, but mid to late Fall, when temperatures are somewhat lower shouldn't interfer= e with most schedules, if the dates are released early enough for members t= o make proper arrangements. =0D =0D Can someone shed some light on that idea for me?=0D =0D Regards,=0D =0D Mark Gilbert
(back) Subject: Re: Power Surge From: "Jan Nijhuis" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:39:55 -0700 Let's take stock: this thing lives in a basement ... possibly a damp environment or with unregulated hot/cold swings. It doesn't way 500 pounds and can make the turns on the stairs without three burly guys. You can play through headphones. As a CVP, it probably has some fun accompaniments. and your tuner does't complain becuase you have a piano in a bad location. If you're going for a cheap, small foot print piano, chances are good you're better off with the digital ... It's not like its a pipe organ or something. :-) On 7/20/05, Justinhartz@aol.com <Justinhartz@aol.com> wrote: > My advice - > Make your piano tuner happy. > Ditch the appliance and buy a real piano. >=20 > Justin Hartz >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> >=20 >=20 --=20 Jan Nijhuis firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: AC From: "Brad Richards" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 04:51:38 +0000 First I live in south tx. I am used to the heat, it does not bother me, = in fact where I went to college it was routinely in the 110-120 range, and i lived in a house with one window unit... however the windows did open. Second, ALL the churches here have AC, and many leave the AC on 24/7, from = Feb. to late Nov. Third, I purposely don't turn the AC in our shop on.... ever. This way = when I go to work on an organ, I don't pass out, since most of the pipework is above the highest air ducts, it never sees the AC. I have been in many organ chambers where the temperatures are well over 100 for hours at a = time. Yes, we actually have to tune some organs in these conditions. I seriously doubt that I am the only one who has ever tuned in soccer = shorts, and nothing else..... Since wearing much more than this would suffocate most people. Sebastion did a better job of pointing out the problem, there was no air circulation at all. Because of this, many of the older people on the trip = were miserable. No, my boss was not one of them, he is also used to the heat, being a native of south tx. If you want more people to be able to enjoy the concerts, it should be as comfortable as feasible. Just beacuse = we like pipe organ music doesn't mean we are DYING to hear it..... literally. I agree with sebastion also, it is only a matter of time and something will happen to someone that could have been avoided. One case = in point though nowhere near the seriousness of what could happen was a = church where the room was so full I was sitting on the floor leaning against the wall. After about 5 minutes I was shifting around and noticed a pulling = on my shirt. I thought I might have snagged a nailhead, and was surprised to = find out that my shirt had just adhered itself to the wall which was = sticky with varnish. Dick Willson would have helped me get unstuck if he = wouldn't have been so busy trying to quell his laughter. After about a minute of rolling side to side I finally freed myself. All this, and the church wasn't even one of the really hot ones. btw, though the organs here are not as old, because the churches are not = as old; the organs are still historic. Considering I have seen organs less than 50 years old with OHS citations, most of the ones I service would qualify. next topic..... The organ rap section of one recital was more comic than anythng remotely serious. I guess the best analogy I could come up with would be this. Dr. Seuss type stories/rhymes about dinosaurs which were spoken in between humorous vignettes of organ music. The last one was for = the gangster like Tyrannosaurus, at which time the orator donned a heavy chain, sunglasses and cap, and rapped the few lines for this portion. I will admit it was over many peoples heads, but I thought it absolutely hilarious, and I could see something like this going over well at a POE = for younger children. One last point I forgot to mention in my last post. The exhibits room was = well done. I found three books that caught my eye on the first day, and snapped them up. A good selection of music, dvd's, books, music, and even = a t-shirt or two. The most enjoyable thing about the entire week was the people. Many nice conversations with people that I won't remember in name but will recognize = when I see them again. I can't wait til next yr, though I am sure I will see a few on the list at the AIO in Pittsburg. Brad R. Richards again, the cats are causing the typos, and the run-on sentences.
(back) Subject: Nashville Pipe Organ Encounters Pictures From: "Jon C." <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 00:31:51 -0500 To interested folks, I have started uploading pictures to an on-line photo gallery. The address is: http://opus1100.catoe.org/gallery/Nashville-Chapter-AGO-Pipe-Organ-En-coiun= ters This just the beginning....so check back and see what has been added .. regards, Jon
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Suffocating Heat From: "Andy Lawrence" <email@example.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 01:50:40 -0400 What a disappointment that the main topic of discussion after the convention is complaints about churches not being cool enough. Here in New England, its pretty hard for us to justify A/C for the 3 weeks of summer that are so very hot. Our main concern is staying warm in the winter, and for the little bit of heat in the summer, we somehow manage to suffer through. Y'all should grow up. You're acting like a bunch of organists... oh wait. Jeez, no wonder no one likes us. Can we just stop talking about this now? Andy
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Suffocating Heat From: "Andy Lawrence" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:23:56 -0400 I should apologize for making sucha blanket statement. After reading a few more posts in the thread, I see that quite a few are being reasonable about this. So I stand by what I said, but direct it to just a few sourpusses. Andy On 7/21/05, Andy Lawrence <email@example.com> wrote: > What a disappointment that the main topic of discussion after the > convention is complaints about churches not being cool enough. Here > in New England, its pretty hard for us to justify A/C for the 3 weeks > of summer that are so very hot. Our main concern is staying warm in > the winter, and for the little bit of heat in the summer, we somehow > manage to suffer through. Y'all should grow up. You're acting like a > bunch of organists... oh wait. Jeez, no wonder no one likes us. > Can we just stop talking about this now? > Andy >
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat OHS From: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 02:26:44 -0400 >From: "Brad Richards" <email@example.com> >Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:42:29 +0000 >From: "Jon C." <firstname.lastname@example.org> >Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:28:31 -0500 >If creature comfort is a priority for you...don't go to an OHS convention. Historic organs usually don't reside in affluent churches that have air conditioning. No air conditioning and hard seats are the norm, and I love em, you get to see some terrific instruments which cannot be duplicated today.> I totally agree! Hearing those beautiful organs and seeing the wonderful old buildings is worth the relatively uncomfortable setting. The only adjustment (which I have put on every evaluation sheet I've filled out) I suggest is open the dang windows and turn on the fans. I'd much rather hear the "whrrrrrrrrr" of fans on the recording than people hacking and gasping for air because they can't breathe. In addition, as my cellist father says: Concerts are for those in attendance and shouldn't be mucked up for the benefit of those who couldn't get there. I practice in a swealtering church building, cooling myself with an electric fan because it's too expensive to run the AC. The reeds are wild, but I have my lovely principals for comfort! I live in sunny FloriDuh and spend my time in air- conditioning because it's to dang hot to go outside and it also stinks from the drying gunk in the swamps! bleeeahch! I would trade all of the beauty of FloriDuh (whatever it is) for live in New England without AC but with those beautiful organs! PS: My beagles don't like to go outside either! Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow... Bruce and the Baskerbeagles HowlingAcres http://www.baskerbeagles.com Natural products for pets & people http://www.naturalzone.biz