PipeChat Digest #5470 - Sunday, July 24, 2005
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #5469 - 07/23/05
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Where's the "power surge" discussion in this post? was:  RE: Power surge
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
beginning instruments...
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: Power surge
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Please Read  WAS: Re: Power surge
  by "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org>
More OHS Photos
  by "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org>
Good instruments
  by "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net>
Re: beginning instruments...
  by "Mark" <mark_52@comcast.net>
RE: beginning instruments...
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Jardine at  St. Patrick's, Watervliet, NY  (Albany suburb)
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@millersville.edu>
French Military March
  by "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
RE: French Military March
  by "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net>
Re: French Military March
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5469 - 07/23/05 From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:31:09 -0400   >> With the Duke University and Longwood Gardens Aeolians it is probably one of the three outstanding Aeolian organs in existence, and it still has its original Aeolian console. <<   Hello   Is there a largish, intact Aeolian at Rutgers? I heard that somewhere...   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Where's the "power surge" discussion in this post? was: RE: Power surge From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 10:39:24 EDT   Hey folks, I searched for information on a 'power surge' in these later "Power surge' = posts, to no avail. Could you kindly do us the courtesy of changing subject headings when you =   change the direction of the topic under discussion? Many thanks, Stan Krider In a message dated 7/23/2005 5:02:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   Subject: RE: Power surge From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 21:48:19 +1200   >Certainly students starting piano are better served by a good digital keyboard than by the typical old upright that we inherited from Grandma.   No way. The only way to get a kid interested in good music is to get them = a good instrument, and an electronic fake is not a good instrument. One of = the things I hate is when I see an advertisement like the following in a newspaper -   PIANO FOR SALE: Ideal for learner. Price $150.   If you get something with crappy tone, you teach the would-be student = that the instrument (in this case a piano) has crappy tone. If you really want = to encourage a student, get piano with the finest tone that you can possibly afford. It's doesn't matter a damn what the thing looks like, or whether = it can be put in a cupboard or the back of the piano. That's completely irrelevant to teaching a kid about beauty in tone. And capturing a = child's appreciation and understanding of fine tone is a fair way to making that child a musician that loves the instrument and its music.   The same thing with an organ. You don't get a Hammond to teach a kid to = play Bach on.   I've heard heaps and heaps of great big old heavy pianos "that we = inherited from Grandma" and I'd prefer them any day to an electronic substitute. I = was brought up on a huge old English "Collard & Collard". Sure, the case had been 'modernised', the touch was a bit too heavy, and the mid-range was = just average tonally, but the treble was very sweet and from about TenA down = the bass was to die for - rich, intense, majestic - quite thrilling in fact. I've never had any electronic keyboard/piano do that to me, however expensive.   With that, the piano occupied a place of importance in the living-room of the house and was always open, inviting anyone (especially us kids) = passing by to have a go. We did. If I had to get an electronic keyboard down from = a cupboard, I would never have done so.   Etc.etc.etc. End of rant.   Ross      
(back) Subject: beginning instruments... From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:21:31 -0700   I think the most important thing when a child (especially a young one) expresses interest in piano or organ is to get them SOMETHING.   I was under 5 when I got my first instrument - it was a beautiful Rosewood upright piano my folks got at the local auction for $25. Almost no keys played and it was housed in the carport.   Needless to say, that did not hold my attention for long, but after we = moved to a larger house with a big basement, my parents bought me an old upright that all played, and a Hammond spinet. These three held me OK through High School.   Ever since then, I have had NO serious home instruments, doing all my practice at churches or university.   We all have to start somewhere, and most of us don't start out with concert-quality home instruments, but we do OK. You have to have = something to look forward to, right?   I'm still waiting for the day I have a lovely grand piano for my home. I don't see it in the cards any time soon! In the meantime, as an adult who has access to excellent church instruments, I still have nothing at home.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California          
(back) Subject: Re: Power surge From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:09:35 -0400   On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 10:30:33PM -0700, Jan Nijhuis wrote: > On 7/22/05, Russ Greene <rggreene2@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Digital keyboards were never intended as instruments for the budding > > concert pianist nor as replacements for a Steinway concert grand. > > Most pianists have spent their early years learning on an old upright > > with an action vastly inferior to a good digital keyboard. The best > > and worst keyboard actions I've experienced have been acoustic pianos. > > Agreed, and I might add that the most consistant actions are on > digitals. I certainly think that Yamaha has it right with their GH > action. Not quite a finely regulated Renner, but quite convincing. >   A Yamaha digital is Good Enough for many things. Mine has done club dates and served as the main practice instrument in this house for ten years.   We've room for an upright, and intend to get one of the ones Yamaha sells as school practice instruments. Built like a Stryker and sounds like a grand you might have left in the dryer too long (as opposed to Just Plain Wimpy).   All other uprights I've played in 30+ years of playing have been crap. Save your money for the Yamaha and keep a digital around until then.    
(back) Subject: Please Read WAS: Re: Power surge From: "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:55:59 -0500   Folks   I Wish you would change the Subject line! All this discussion about Digital Pianos has nothing to do with the original question which was posted until the subject of "Power Surge". Right now it may not matter as much in regards to the Archives but currently we are in testing for a new server for this list that will automatically archive each and every post. So Subject lines will be much more important when we move to the new server.   And I am getting the feeling that we are going down the same path that happens when we get into discussions for and against Digital Organs. Let's all agree to be able to disagree but not to carry on forever with the subject.   There is a small group of us that are testing the new server software before i start to move some of the lists here at PipeChat over to it. More on that later.   Now back to Happy PipeChatting! How about more reports from the OHS Convention? There have been several and I for one, along with some other people that couldn't attend this year, are hungry to hear more about the concerts, recitalists, organs, etc.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: More OHS Photos From: "PipeChat Administration" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:06:42 -0500   There are some more photos from the OHS Convention in the PipeChat Gallery - http://gallery.pipechat.org/gallery/index.php These were uploaded by Mack (David McPeak), who has said that there will more to come. And hopefully Tim, our Co-Administrator - will post some once he gets home tomorrow night.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Good instruments From: "Stephen Best" <stevebest@usadatanet.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:14:57 -0400   TheShieling wrote:   > >No way. The only way to get a kid interested in good music is to get them = a >good instrument, and an electronic fake is not a good instrument. > >   >If you get something with crappy tone, you teach the would-be student = that >the instrument (in this case a piano) has crappy tone. If you really want = to >encourage a student, get piano with the finest tone that you can possibly >afford. It's doesn't matter a damn what the thing looks like, or whether = it >can be put in a cupboard or the back of the piano. That's completely >irrelevant to teaching a kid about beauty in tone. And capturing a = child's >appreciation and understanding of fine tone is a fair way to making that >child a musician that loves the instrument and its music. > > Truer words have never been spoken! As I approach senior citizen years, I still have occasional moments of revelation. One of those occurred about a year ago when through a set of improbable circumstances I was able to acquire a truly great 9' grand piano. I'm not a pianist, and have never had any particular love for the piano, but as I have gotten to know this instrument I have often said "If I had had this kind of instrument when I was a kid, I might actually have been a pianist and loved the instrument." Oh yes, the instrument makes a HUGE difference!   By the way -- I was lucky to have access to several good organs when I was a kid, all of which inspired and encouraged me.   Steve Best in Utica, NY  
(back) Subject: Re: beginning instruments... From: "Mark" <mark_52@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:09:48 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)   Hi Randy,=0D =0D Along the same vein of this discussion, which really doesn't have much to= do with "Pipe" organs, I understand that there are those that would never to= uch an electronic musical device, whether it be Piano or Organ. There are th= ose that would never play anything but a tracker organ or a Steinway Concert.= I am certainly glad that they no longer attend college or university, as we= ll. Their elite behavior would make it very difficult to use the practice ro= oms where digital pianos and organs are more and more becoming the norm. I a= m certainly glad they have such huge homes that will accommodate those 9' grands and 70 rank tracker action pipe organs, or maybe they just don't n= eed to practice at home, for it is certain that no upright "real" piano, as t= hey might call it, can give the sound or touch experience of a Concert Grand = and no digital, electro-magnetic, electro-pneumatic or pneumatic organ could ever give them the sound or touch experience of the tracker action Pipe t= hey insist on always playing.=0D =0D I guess that I am of the nature that believes in just making music, even = if it involves tuning wine glasses. Personally, I have used my Kawai digita= l not only for practice, but for recording and producing midis that I use w= ith the Pipe (direct electric action) for special presentations. The Kawai's action is not weighted, it actually uses a real wooden piano key, just li= ke those on the Steinway, and has a flange action. It is touch sensitive an= d has touch regulators much like a grand. I have used it on stage in conce= rt and to accompany soloists, ensembles and choirs. No one has gotten up an= d walked out or refused to sing to it. It is tunable and voice-able, and i= t sounds better than most practice instruments in our major universities an= d colleges. But, then again, I just believe in making music and not whethe= r or not the instrument I play is worthy of me. I leave that to the more arrogant, prideful, and elitist types. I guess one of my talents is maki= ng others believe that what is coming forth from that which I play is actual= ly music. I don't have to rely on the instrument to make them believe that.= =0D =0D However, and back to the thread, when it comes to beginning instruments,= I would have to say that anything good enough for the future elitist who ar= e now in the universities and colleges to practice on, is probably going to= be good enough for a beginning student to learn on.=0D =0D Regards,=0D =0D Mark Gilbert =0D =0D Also, waiting for the day I can procur a 9' grand, and have the room to properly display and use it, right next to my Kawai.=0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Randy Terry=0D Date: 07/23/05 14:22:11=0D To: 'PipeChat'=0D Subject: beginning instruments...=0D =0D I think the most important thing when a child (especially a young one)=0D expresses interest in piano or organ is to get them SOMETHING.=0D =0D I was under 5 when I got my first instrument - it was a beautiful Rosewoo= d=0D upright piano my folks got at the local auction for $25. Almost no keys=0D played and it was housed in the carport.=0D =0D Needless to say, that did not hold my attention for long, but after we mo= ved=0D to a larger house with a big basement, my parents bought me an old uprigh= t=0D that all played, and a Hammond spinet. These three held me OK through Hig= h=0D School.=0D =0D Ever since then, I have had NO serious home instruments, doing all my=0D practice at churches or university.=0D =0D We all have to start somewhere, and most of us don't start out with=0D concert-quality home instruments, but we do OK. You have to have somethi= ng=0D to look forward to, right?=0D =0D I'm still waiting for the day I have a lovely grand piano for my home. I= =0D don't see it in the cards any time soon! In the meantime, as an adult wh= o=0D has access to excellent church instruments, I still have nothing at home.= =0D =0D +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D Randy Terry=0D Music Minister=0D The Episcopal Church of St. Peter=0D Redwood City, California=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D ******************************************************************=0D "Pipe Up and Be Heard!"=0D PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics=0D HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org=0D List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org=0D Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org=0D List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org>=0D List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org>=0D List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>=0D =0D =2E
(back) Subject: RE: beginning instruments... From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 12:28:09 +1200       Maybe wrongly, but I feel a bit my comment about getting a proper piano = for a learner has led to some folk thinking I won 't play an organ unless it's = a Schnitger or Silbermann, or a piano unless it's at least Steinway grand. Well, that's not so. My piano is a small upright made by Karn of Ontario = in 1923. It had been a rental piano for years and I needed to sand it down = and repolish it, such was the state of its case. I'll never change it. And the organs I play in the parish: in two churches there are 2m Allens 14yrs = old, and the third has a 1m Ahlborn-Galanti about 8 yrs old.   Ross        
(back) Subject: Jardine at St. Patrick's, Watervliet, NY (Albany suburb) From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@millersville.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 22:57:15 -0400   Late in June I had the opportunity at long last to stop at St. Patrick=B9s Chruch, Watervliet, a suburb of Albany NY, to see and play their three-manual 1890 Jardine. In a word, it is MARVELOUS!! The stops:   > GT: 16-8-8-8-4-4-3-2-III-8 >=20 > SW: 16-8-8-8-84-2-II-8-8 >=20 > CH: 8-8-8-8-4-2-8 >=20 > PED: 16-16-8-16=20   I surely hope this will be part of the 2006 OHS convention, which will be i= n that area. =20   Cordially,   Karl E. Moyer Lancaster PA  
(back) Subject: French Military March From: "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:23:34 -0700 (PDT)   I have a CD that I bought years ago titled "Greatest Hits of the Organ." = The last piece on it is titled "French Military March." I no longer have = the CD jacket that has the composer. Does anyone have this CD and knows who composed this piece? The organ = sounds like the Riverside organ before the acoustic renovation. Could it = be a transcription by Virgil Fox? If anyone could help me out, I would really appreciate it. The piece = sounds like a beast to learn, and I must obtain a copy if possible. Thanks       Scott Montgomery 1820 Scottsdale Dr. Champaign, IL 61821 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net    
(back) Subject: RE: French Military March From: "Robert Bell" <bobbell@optonline.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:01:52 -0400   Scott, a google search turned up this item:   SAINT-SAENS: French Military March   It is on the playlist on OrganLive.com, played I think by CARLO Curley.   Hope this helps.     Bob   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Scott A Montgomery Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 12:24 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: French Military March   I have a CD that I bought years ago titled "Greatest Hits of the Organ." The last piece on it is titled "French Military March." I no longer have the CD jacket that has the composer. Does anyone have this CD and knows who composed this piece? The organ sounds like the Riverside organ before the acoustic renovation. Could it = be a transcription by Virgil Fox? If anyone could help me out, I would really appreciate it. The piece = sounds like a beast to learn, and I must obtain a copy if possible. Thanks       Scott Montgomery 1820 Scottsdale Dr. Champaign, IL 61821 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>   -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005   -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.4/57 - Release Date: 7/22/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: French Military March From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 02:37:34 EDT   Hello Scott, I did a quick GOOGLE search and, from all the inferences, you must be searching for a movement from Camille Saint Saens' Algerienne Suite, = French Military March, transcribed. The site MSN - Boston Pops (see Google's = list, down about ten entries, or so, click and let it load and then click again on = the play button by that music title and it actually plays the orchestral = version. Please let me know if this is the music you're trying to locate. I'll be most interested. Sincerely, Dale G. Rider     , MSacredMus, CAGO Organist, Composer, Music Engraver Staff Organist - Community of Christ (RLDS) World Headquarters Complex Independence, MO, USA   _Google Search: "french military march"_ (http://www.google.com/search?hl=3Den&ie=3DISO-8859-1&q=3D"french+military+= march")   _______________________________________________________________________   In a message dated 7/23/2005 11:24:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, montre1978@yahoo.com writes:   I have a CD that I bought years ago titled "Greatest Hits of the Organ." =   The last piece on it is titled "French Military March." I no longer have = the CD jacket that has the composer.   Does anyone have this CD and knows who composed this piece? The organ sounds like the Riverside organ before the acoustic renovation. Could it = be a transcription by Virgil Fox?   If anyone could help me out, I would really appreciate it. The piece = sounds like a beast to learn, and I must obtain a copy if possible.   Thanks     Scott Montgomery 1820 Scottsdale Dr. Champaign, IL 61821 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net