PipeChat Digest #5475 - Wednesday, July 27, 2005
 
Charles Marie Widor, Alsace and a Parisian  organ-wrecker
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: News
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
Re: I'm impressed...
  by "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Charles Marie Widor, Alsace and a Parisian organ-wrecker From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:31:32 EDT   Dear List, =20 Some time ago I posed a question regarding Charles-Marie Widor's father, wh= o=20 was supposed to be an organ builder of Hungarian ancestry. I was wondering= =20 whether or not any of his instruments are extant. Below is a cut-and-paste= =20 of a reply I received from Colin off list, posted with his permission. Als= o=20 included is a follow-up he sent. Interesting reading! =20 Steve =20 Steven Weyand Folkers Director of Music St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL USA =20 Hello Steve,   Something triggered deep in the more obscure region of grey-matter when you mentioned Widor's father.   I'm not really into French music or French organs....I leave that to others. I'm much more interested in the German Romantic/Eastern European thing, and always have been.   However, I dug around a little, and came across a few names.   Widor's father,Fran=E7ois-Charles Widor(1811-1899), was organist of St.Francois de Sales, Lyon, and his grandfather was, I believe, Jean Widor (1775-1854) the organ-builder; but he is proving to be a bit like the "missing link". I'll work on it when I get a few moments to spare.   I cannot find any reference to organs actually built by Jean Widor, but there may be a connection with the Callinet firm who built the organ of St.Francois de Sales. The Callinet dynsasty consisted of Francois Callinet (1754-1820)(who would probably build in the Silbermann tradition), his sons Joseph Callinet(1795-1857) and Claude-Ignace Callinet(1803-1874) and possibly the best of all, their cousin, Louis Callinet (1786-1846).=20   One thing of great interest is the fact that Widor's father was a bit of a composer, and the following may be worth getting hold of, if at all possible:-   Fran=E7ois-Charles Widor: Pri=E8re.   It may be that the elder Widor worked for Callinet, but if so, that would be quite an amusing connection, as I shall explain shortly.   The Alsace region remains remarkable for the number of great organ-builders active in the area, which includes Silbermann and what may prove to be the origins of the German firm of Sauer (not quite sure about this yet).   The only Hungarian connection I have found, which is also highly significant, is the fact that Liszt played the organ by Callinet at St.Francois de Sales, Lyon, where Widor's father was organist, and where Widor the teenager later became organist.   The organ-building connection also brought the young Widor to the attention of Cavaille-Coll, who took him to Paris, as you will doubtless know.   However, the amusing Callinet story concerns the organ of Ste.Sulpice, during the restoration of the organ circa.1843, when perhaps the finest of the Callinet family of organ-builders, Louis Callinet (1786-1846) was at work. Under stress, and with the company failing financially, he went berserk and took an axe to the great Cliquot instrument, causing untold damage to it. He was then banished from the church, and never allowed to hep with repairs. He then joined forces with the Daublaine Co. of organ-builders because he had little option.   I believe Louis Callinet ended his career as an organ-builder as an employee of Cavaille-Coll, which considering the Ste.Sulpice connection, is quite funny.   Finally, do you speak or read French fluently?   If so, there is a wonderful Alsace region organ-website and a contact e-mail address. I'm sure that this would be extremely valuable to your further researches into the origins of the Widor story, and I'm sure that this very thorough group of enthusiasts would be happy to assist.   Try the following:-   http://perso.wanadoo.fr/eisenberg/e_alsace.htm   I hope all this helps just a little.   Regards,   Colin   Hello Steve,   I've just discovered from a Belgian friend the following information:-   Jean Widor worked with the Callinets. He associated momentarily with Gr=E9goire to build an organ in Metz, and returned to Callinet afterwards. His son Fran=E7ois (father of Charles-Marie) was organist at St-Fran=E7ois de Sales, Lyon, where a Callinet organ obtained. But himself and Charles-Marie succeeded in having this one moved, to get the Cavaill=E9-Coll instead... They were of course of hungarian origin.   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   I think that more or less confirms my suspicions that Jean Widor was never a fully independent organ-builder.   All we have to do now is discover whether the organ at Metz still exists.   Regards,   Colin    
(back) Subject: Re: News From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:28:28 -0500   Congratulations to Travis..... That's wonderful news....will the law firm = be grief-stricken at your departure..... This should give hope to all.   Sand      
(back) Subject: Re: I'm impressed... From: "TGrenz" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:58:52 -0500   LOL Ross! You forgot to mention the u n s p e a k a b l e, Musicom <grin>   Thanks for your post. It brought a smile and some needed relief after a rather trying day on another List ....   Cheers,   Tim Grenz   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: RE: I'm impressed...     >> I must say, I've been very impressed that certain subjects have not = come > up > here in the past couple of days. It says a lot (all good) about the > members > of this list. > > Let's fix that :-) > > electronic, digital, toaster, fake, lies, cheats, waste, unmusical, = snob, > elite, true, real, copyright, sampling, wind, speakers, etc.etc. > > That do? > > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >