PipeChat Digest #5477 - Friday, July 29, 2005
 
Re: Richard Morris
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
RE: Richard Morris
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Richard Morris
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: Richard Morris
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
WARNING Finale 2006 Upgrade for MAC
  by "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com>
RE: Richard Morris
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Music adhesive tape
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Music adhesive tape
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Richard Morris
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
RE: Music adhesive tape
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
RE: Music adhesive tape
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
cleaning wood pipes
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: Dan's Dilemma
  by "Douglas Henn-Macrae" <douglas@henn-macrae.com>
RE: Music adhesive tape
  by "Garrison W Johnson" <johnco18@comcast.net>
RE: Music adhesive tape
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: cleaning wood pipes
  by "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com>
Re: Best temperament
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: cleaning wood pipes NO LINSEED OIL !!!!!!!
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: cleaning wood pipes
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Ossining Ott on the Radio
  by "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com>
Re: WARNING Finale 2006 Upgrade for MAC
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Richard Morris From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:30:55 +0100   Hi   I would suggest you look at Copeman-Hart if the budget will stretch.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan Tevelde" <dan.tevelde@comcast.net> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:57 AM Subject: RE: Richard Morris     <SNIP> My > church may be looking for a new organ in a few years and we don't have > space > for a pipe organ. I presume there are some people on this list who are > open > to discussing electronic instruments. > > Thanks, > Dan    
(back) Subject: RE: Richard Morris From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:49:45 +1200   >I would suggest you look at Copeman-Hart if the budget will stretch.   Oh yes. Very expensive, I agree, though I wish there were one in NZ. I'd like to meet Ernest Hart some day - he's pretty knowledgeable about organs and seems an affable chap.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Morris From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:14:56 +0100   Hi   I did meet him briefly several years ago - as you say, very affable and = very knowledgeable - and he doesn't say that his organs are better than pipes.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: RE: Richard Morris     > >I would suggest you look at Copeman-Hart if the budget will stretch. > > Oh yes. Very expensive, I agree, though I wish there were one in NZ. I'd > like to meet Ernest Hart some day - he's pretty knowledgeable about = organs > and seems an affable chap. > > Ross > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Morris From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:13:37 -0500     On Jul 28, 2005, at 4:30 AM, Rev. Tony Newnham wrote:   > ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan Tevelde" > <dan.tevelde@comcast.net> > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:57 AM > Subject: RE: Richard Morris > > > <SNIP> My > >> church may be looking for a new organ in a few years and we don't >> have space >> for a pipe organ. I presume there are some people on this list >> who are open >> to discussing electronic instruments. >> >> Thanks, >> Dan   After well over a year of research looking for a reasonably-priced, high quality 3-manual digital, we at St. Andrew's are really down to three possibilities - the Allen Quantum 345; the Rodgers Trillium 958; and a custom-built Phoenix. We feel these organs are the best balance of quality vs price for our particular situation. The next 2 months, with additional hands-on with the Allen and Rodgers instruments and most importantly a visit to Phoenix in Peterborough, Ontario to review both their instruments and their facilities will be decisive for us.   Dan, if you'd like to discuss our process, please contact me privately.   Russ Greene ---------------------------------- Organist/Choirmaster St. Andrew's Anglican Church (Woodhaven) Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada      
(back) Subject: WARNING Finale 2006 Upgrade for MAC From: "Larry Wheelock" <llwheels@mac.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 14:57:17 -0500   Please forgive if you think this is too far off-topic, but I suspect there are more than a few people on this list who use Finale software for MAC.   I just got off the phone with Finale (MakeMusic) support and they are aware of this problem and are working on a fix -- but that won't help you if you install the 2006 upgrade for MAC without knowing this.   >>>Installing all components (selecting "install all") will delete cached information. It will wipe-out your Address Book, your Safari Address Book and anything else which is stored in a system cache. So far Address Book and Internet addresses are all I have discovered missing, but this just happened to me this afternoon -- there could be more. Fortunately, I have a backup (you should too) but it is better to avoid the situation altogether.   >>>> Avoid this by not installing ALL components; leave off one product at install and install it later and the problem will be avoided (according to MakeMusic tech support -- too late for me)   Once again -- I apologize if this is considered too off-topic, but I felt the information was important enough to risk it. Larry Wheelock Director of Music Ministries Kenwood United Methodist Church Milwaukee, Wisconsin musicdirector@kenwood-umc.org
(back) Subject: RE: Richard Morris From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:15:39 +1200   >After well over a year of research looking for a reasonably-priced, high quality 3-manual digital, we at St. Andrew's are really down to three possibilities - the Allen Quantum 345; the Rodgers Trillium 958; and a custom-built Phoenix.   I played the latest 3m Trillium here about 2 months ago. For the first half-hour it was exciting, as never had there such a variety of organ = sound, nor so great a volume of it, in that 350-seat church. Suddenly, though, I got very tired of the artificiality of the tone and had to switch off and leave. I've not wanted to go back.   Judging only from a CD, I'd rather have a Phoenix. If it's custom-built, too, you don't have to pay for the rubbish you'd never use, and can have = the things you do want.   Just 1c worth. Ross    
(back) Subject: Music adhesive tape From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:18:25 -0400   Dear Listmembers,   A while back someone mentioned that an adhesive tape especially for music was available again. The tape was designed to allow for music to lay flat on the music desk. I cannot find my note on it and would appreciate any refreshment of my poor memory.   Thank you in advance.   Cole Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005      
(back) Subject: Re: Music adhesive tape From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:50:16 -0500   In the good old days, right here in Chicago, I went to Gamble Hinge = company. You could leave your albums with them and they'd cut them up and hinge = every page together. You could also buy the tape and do it yourself. Is Gamble Hinge what you're thinking of?   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Cole <rcolev@woh.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Music adhesive tape     > Dear Listmembers, > > A while back someone mentioned that an adhesive tape especially for = music > was available again. The tape was designed to allow for music to lay = flat > on the music desk. I cannot find my note on it and would appreciate any > refreshment of my poor memory. > > Thank you in advance. > > Cole Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA    
(back) Subject: Re: Richard Morris From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:49:07 -0500   If your budget is limited, I think you would be making a great mistake buying a three manual instrument rather than a two manual instrument of higher quality. After all, it is the sound that is important, not what = the console looks like.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: RE: Richard Morris     > >After well over a year of research looking for a reasonably-priced, > high quality 3-manual digital, we at St. Andrew's are really down to > three possibilities - the Allen Quantum 345; the Rodgers Trillium > 958; and a custom-built Phoenix. > > I played the latest 3m Trillium here about 2 months ago. For the first > half-hour it was exciting, as never had there such a variety of organ sound, > nor so great a volume of it, in that 350-seat church. Suddenly, though, = I > got very tired of the artificiality of the tone and had to switch off = and > leave. I've not wanted to go back. > > Judging only from a CD, I'd rather have a Phoenix. If it's custom-built, > too, you don't have to pay for the rubbish you'd never use, and can have the > things you do want.      
(back) Subject: RE: Music adhesive tape From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:34:49 -0500   Good old days in Chicago, indeed!   There was some discussion hereabouts a year or so ago about library hinge tape. The poster mentioned www.thelibrarystore.com/ as a source and I = note that they carry three different flavors. Not sure if juniper is one of them, though.   Michael     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lind Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:50 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Music adhesive tape   In the good old days, right here in Chicago, I went to Gamble Hinge = company. You could leave your albums with them and they'd cut them up and hinge = every page together. You could also buy the tape and do it yourself. Is Gamble Hinge what you're thinking of?   Bob Lind   ----- Original Message ----- From: Cole <rcolev@woh.rr.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Music adhesive tape     > Dear Listmembers, > > A while back someone mentioned that an adhesive tape especially for = music > was available again. The tape was designed to allow for music to lay = flat > on the music desk. I cannot find my note on it and would appreciate any > refreshment of my poor memory. > > Thank you in advance. > > Cole Votaw -- Springfield, Ohio, USA     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: RE: Music adhesive tape From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:03:06 -0500   At 4:34 PM -0500 7/28/05, Michael David wrote: >Good old days in Chicago, indeed! > >There was some discussion hereabouts a year or so ago about library hinge >tape. The poster mentioned www.thelibrarystore.com/ as a source and I = note >that they carry three different flavors. Not sure if juniper is one of >them, though. > >Michael > > >-----Original Message----- >From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of >Robert Lind >Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:50 PM >To: PipeChat >Subject: Re: Music adhesive tape > >In the good old days, right here in Chicago, I went to Gamble Hinge = company. >You could leave your albums with them and they'd cut them up and hinge = every >page together. You could also buy the tape and do it yourself. Is Gamble >Hinge what you're thinking of? > >Bob Lind   Bob   You can still go to Gamble Hinge except it is now called Gamble Music and is located on W Randolph Street rather that above Carl Fischer's on S. Wabash. Actually you can go to http://www.gamblemusic.com/ and find "Gamble Hinge Tape"   A Former Chicagoan   David  
(back) Subject: cleaning wood pipes From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:34:43 -0500   HI list, What do you all use for cleaning wood pipes? Did we have this discussiong a while back? I can't remember. Thanks, Gary    
(back) Subject: RE: Dan's Dilemma From: "Douglas Henn-Macrae" <douglas@henn-macrae.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:05:21 +0100   Excellent quality at an affordable price - it has to be Phoenix. Excellent quality if price is no object - probably Copeman Hart. If you were in the UK I would put Hugh Banton in the same quality bracket = as Phoenix - possibly a little more expensive, but a fraction of the C-H = price.   I would always prefer to go to the small independents rather than mass-producers.   That's my 2p worth.   Best wishes,   Douglas.     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = dan Tevelde Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:58 AM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: Richard Morris   Hello list rodgers used to have an on-line store on their website where = you were supposed to have been able to buy cds. I'm always on the lookout for cds of various types of organs just to say that I have them in my collection. Anyway one of my friends has the Richard Morris cd you have been looking for. I want a copy to so if you send me an e-mail at dan.tevelde@comcast.net we can exchange information. By the way if anyone else on this list knows where I could get Rodgers cds let me know. My church may be looking for a new organ in a few years and we don't have = space for a pipe organ. I presume there are some people on this list who are = open to discussing electronic instruments.   Thanks, Dan       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: RE: Music adhesive tape From: "Garrison W Johnson" <johnco18@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:32:27 -0400   Take a look at this URL, mid-page, item 50-7000:   http://www.gamblemusic.com/index.cfm?category=3D4   Jennie Mae & Garry J. The Johnsons 1913 Rockcreek Lane Flint MI 48507-2274 Voice 810-233-7094 Fax 810-233-7599  
(back) Subject: RE: Music adhesive tape From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:44:51 -0400   Bob, Michael, David,   That's the ticket! Thanks.   Cole   >"Gamble Hinge Tape"     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005      
(back) Subject: Re: cleaning wood pipes From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:53:32 -0400   An organ tech I once knew used linseed oil. The caveat is that you must work carefully with it as the cloth or whatever you're using to apply it = to the wood is liable to spontaneous combustion. Evidently linseed oil in the =   air will readily oxidize and reach temperatures that will ignite a cloth = or paper towel. I'm not sure if it will burn a brush, though. After using a cloth with linseed oil, immerse the cloth in water and dispose of it = safely.   Cole   GB wrote: >HI list, What do you all use for cleaning wood pipes? Did we have this >discussiong a while back? I can't remember. Thanks, Gary     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005      
(back) Subject: Re: Best temperament From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:59:54 EDT   For ALL periods? Equal temperament seems like a good choice. Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: Re: cleaning wood pipes NO LINSEED OIL !!!!!!! From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:31:03 EDT   no, no, no.   NO NO NO   UH-UH   NO NO NO   Clean them with a hood hepa vaccuum and soft brush and a compressor. Do NOT introduce ANY moisture while they are dirty. Evaluate what the original finish was, most likely nothing, or shellac, or =   butchers' wax. Once you've determined that, determine whether the finish = is intact and even NEEDS treatment. If it does, contact a REAL organbuilder = who has experience in conservation and go to the next step.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City MS, Historic Preservation Historic Organs Citation Committee, OHS Conservation Guidelines Committee, OHS  
(back) Subject: Re: cleaning wood pipes From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:47:31 -0500   For "cleaning" you need some sort of grime cutter like TVP (tri-sodium phosphate) found in a paint or hardware store. The old "Spic-and-Span" contained TVP, but I don't think it is available any more. Murphy's Oil = Soap might do a good job too. This is presuming that you have a solid shellac = or varnish or paint finish that is just dirty. The linseed oil is a finish, somewhat like a varnish, which is applied and allowed to dry. Gooping linseed oil over a dirty surface would be a messy disaster. The = possibility of spontaneous combustion comes in if the rags/brushes are allowed to sit around and pile up. It isn't something that happens while you are using them, or if you spread them out to dry. I don't leave any oily rags = indoors though, just in case.   = Kip in MO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cole" <rcolev@woh.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: Re: cleaning wood pipes     > An organ tech I once knew used linseed oil. The caveat is that you must > work carefully with it as the cloth or whatever you're using to apply it =   > to the wood is liable to spontaneous combustion. Evidently linseed oil = in > the air will readily oxidize and reach temperatures that will ignite a > cloth or paper towel. I'm not sure if it will burn a brush, though. = After > using a cloth with linseed oil, immerse the cloth in water and dispose = of > it safely. > > Cole > > GB wrote: >>HI list, What do you all use for cleaning wood pipes? Did we have this >>discussiong a while back? I can't remember. Thanks, Gary > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >      
(back) Subject: Ossining Ott on the Radio From: "Kenneth Potter" <swell_shades@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:53:16 -0700 (PDT)   A couple of weeks ago, I posted about the Paul Ott tracker I am subbing on this month. Well, my wife, Christine Potter,is a D.J. at WDFH-FM in Ossining with a weekly show. It is an old-fashioned free-form radio station. Tomorrow (Friday) night she is leading off with a set of music that uses organ. She will include Emerson, Lake and Palmer at the Royal Festival Hall, Dorothy Papadakos' "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" at St. John the Divine, an obscure rock-n-roll record that has the Atlanta Fox Moller on it (if she can get it to not sound like Rice Krispies) and lastly ME, playing the Karg-Elert "Praise the Lord With Drums and Cymbals" at Trinity Church in Ossining, recorded just today on my trusty Minidisc.   WDFH-FM is a community radio station run by volunteers, and is available on the world wide web at <WDFH.org>. Just click on the stream that applies to your computer. Her show begins at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time; she's doing a fill-in for the late night DJ on Friday. Her usual show is on Thursday afternoons. WDFH is a Pacifica affiliate, and fun to listen to, even though they don't play organ music very often--they can be a fine antidote to the sordid world of church music! If you want to see what I look like, go to the online pictures of the Station Solidarity Party, which was held at our house. I'm the tall, skinny grey-haired guy, clutching a glass of white sangria. There's also a pic of Chris and me in the pool, looking as though we might do the Titanic number at any moment.   Ken  
(back) Subject: Re: WARNING Finale 2006 Upgrade for MAC From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:41:51 EDT   Larry - it is VERY CONSIDERATE of you to make this announcement. You're correct, I'm certain, that many pipechatters are users of Finale. My particular preference is the Windows platform. Nevertheless, your = warning is greatly appreciated. Perhaps some Windows functions are likewise = affected at installation. Knowing the possibility, we can make certain to ask = before installing the upgrade. Best wishes and blessings on restoring your computer to normalcy. It's = great you had done a backup. Dale G. Rider , MSacredMus, CAGO Organist, Composer, Music Engraver (Finale)   Staff Organist - Community of Christ (RLDS) World Headquarters Complex Independence, MO, USA