PipeChat Digest #5384 - Wednesday, June 1, 2005
 
Re: Franck's PF&V
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: Franck's PF&V
  by "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
modest sized Mollers
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Bach Erbarm dich
  by "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net>
Re: modest sized Mollers
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: modest sized Mollers
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: modest sized Mollers
  by <giwro@adelphia.net>
Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
questions re: 19th Century English Romantic Organs
  by "Roy Daniels" <roydanls@sbcglobal.net>
Niels Gade
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: Niels Gade
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "Johan Hermans" <j.h.o@skynet.be>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "Harry Martenas" <harry.martenas@gmail.com>
RE: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
RE: questions re: 19th Century English Romantic Organs
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: modest sized Mollers
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
White NYC organ is more noteworthy of the two?
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Fwd: Organ parts for Sale in NH
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: White NYC organ is more noteworthy of the two?
  by "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Franck's PF&V From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:47:33 -0400   the solo is too high for an english horn. in fact, it hits the oboe's = upper limit. personally, i prefer the sound of an english horn. scot -----Original Message----- From: M. W. Belcher <littlebayus@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Franck's PF&V       --- Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hello, > > It would sound beautiful! Go for it! > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > > > has anyone ever performed franck's prelude, fugue, > & > > variation with organ and > > oboe? I was wondering how the work would sound > > with an actual oboe. > Mmmmm... How would it sound with an English Horn?   Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher fellow list member...         __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: Franck's PF&V From: "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:16:53 -0700 (PDT)   Thanks for letting me know about the english horn's upper limit...   Although I do not play the english horn, I suggested the english horn because I too really prefer the sound of an english horn to the sound of an oboe...     Best wishes to all..     Morton Belcher fellow list member...       =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D       --- blueeyedbear@aol.com wrote: > the solo is too high for an english horn. in fact, > it hits the oboe's upper limit. > > personally, i prefer the sound of an english horn. > > scot > > -----Original Message----- > From: M. W. Belcher <littlebayus@yahoo.com> > To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:31 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Franck's PF&V > > > > --- Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > It would sound beautiful! Go for it! > > > > Regards, > > > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > > --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > > > > > has anyone ever performed franck's prelude, > fugue, > > & > > > variation with organ and > > > oboe? I was wondering how the work would sound > > > with an actual oboe. > > > Mmmmm... How would it sound with an English Horn? > > Best wishes to all... > > > Morton Belcher > fellow list member... > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail  
(back) Subject: modest sized Mollers From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:23:17 -0500   HI, Here is the stop list of a 2 man. Moller at First United Methodist Church in Pontiac, Il. from 1960. Our rep. was Gustav Fabry. This organ was designed by Dr. Rober Baker of Pontiac, Il. Great Swell Principal 8 Rohr Bourdon 16 Octave 4 rohr flote 8 Ocatvin 2 spitz flote 4 Holflote8 flute 2 Gemshorn8 geigen 4 Gemshorn celeste 8 viola8 fourniture 4ranks viola celeste 8 trumpet 8 plein jeu 3ranks Pedal violone 16 rohr bourdon 16 (sw) geigen 4 (octave 4) ? rohr flute 8 holh flote 4 It has been a long time since I have played this so I may have some of = this confused, like where the geigen is. Dead acoustics but not bad to learn = on. the other corner church is what i have at home here. 1906 Estey. I thought it would be of interest. Gary    
(back) Subject: Bach Erbarm dich From: "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:44:13 -0400   Wading through the Bach works always coughs up a few interesting observations and questions. Here's one that may be helpful to others who play or teach the piece from this edition: Erbarm dich mein, o Herre Gott, BWV 721, Barenreiter, Vol 3, p 28, m 11, beat 2, first 8th, tenor note (assuming a 3 and/or 4-part 8th note accompaniment); G-natural or F-sharp? Thanks. Stephen      
(back) Subject: Re: modest sized Mollers From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:49:27 -0500   At 02:23 PM 6/1/05, you wrote: >2 man. Moller at First United Methodist >Church in Pontiac, Il. from 1960. Our rep. was Gustav Fabry.   One of my favorite small organs was a 2/10 Moller in the First Christain = Church in Hammond Indiana. To give it versatility it incorporated features which drive the purists crazy...duplexing and unification. The Great Principal 4 was duplexed from the swell Diapason...and it had a 97 note unit flute. It was a single chamber installation under expression with on huge main chest...the swell was on one side and the great the other.   Gustav Fabry formed his own company..Fabry Inc. which is still] in business operated by his son and grandson.   Jon      
(back) Subject: RE: modest sized Mollers From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:10:38 +1200     >To give it versatility it incorporated features which drive the purists crazy...duplexing and unification.   Problems with this sort of chest are that they are not as good for trouble-free endurance and for pipe speech as the traditional slider = chest. When an organ is smallish, say up to 20 stops or so, there is little to = beat traditional tracker action and good old-fashioned slider chests of solid materials, even if the console doesn't look as pretty and the console doesn't have many congregation-tickling features to look at. I'm certain that you don't need many "extras" on organs like this anyway, as they are rarely, if ever, used for recitals, and not much even these days for accompanying choirs. A small handful of colourful warm flutes, perhaps a Dulciana and a mutation, and a bright harmonically-rich Principal chorus = of perhaps 8 4 2 & IIrk Mixture, is really what's needed. Fine if you can add = a Trumpet as well, and a Pedal of some use, but anything else in most places is just frills these days.   Despite correspondence on this List and in other places, I still just = cannot see any need whatever for a 4 or 5 manual job of 80 to 120 stops in a = church seating perhaps 600 to 1000. Three manuals and 50 to 60 stops is still a very large number. I can think of St Mary of the Angels' RC here in Wellington which for many years had an organ of just 19rks for the = 650-seat building, and the organ was very adequate indeed and of stunning tone. = There were 14 straight stops and five units, that's all, but it's been enlarged, not by much, in the last few years. It was originally built by Geo.Croft = in 1958 to Maxwell Fernie's design and voicing. For many years, it was the = most exciting organ in Wellington, loved by all musicians.   Ross        
(back) Subject: RE: modest sized Mollers From: <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:06:27 -0400   Ross,   I think you are right... there may not be a NEED for such, but we do it = anyway.   HOWever   As often as I've heard you and Bob Elms remind us that not all list = members are in the USA, you should remember that we aren't in your = country, either....   I have played my share of pipe organs (and too many non-pipe to count) and = I'll have to say I _do_ enjoy playing the larger organs - it is fun to = have so much to choose from. Also, you simply MUST remember we tend to = carpet our churches and put acoustic crud on our walls and ceilings, so = sometimes it's either big organ or weak sound... take your choice.   Having said that, if you want to take percentages, I played a very = successful 125rk organ in a 4500-seat auditorium... (which isn't dead-dry, = but it's not cathedralesque, either!). take similar acoustics and a = smaller building of say, 1100 seats, and theoretically one could get away = with 30-40 ranks.   Our cultures are different.... if you don't like and don't want a large = organ, then bully for you - I've no complaint with that. I also don't = mind your general PERSONAL disdain for slush, celestes, praise bands and = all other sorts of things.. you are surely entitled to that opinion...   But just 'cause you say so doesn't mean it is the only way to go... I'm = entitled to like big pipe organs, slush, Etc Etc. and not be made to fell = like a fool :-)   I guess what I'm trying to get across is that while I tolerate your strong = opinions and even allow for them, you sometimes irritate me, as it seems = you don't do me (and others) the courtesy of the same. Mebbe I just need = a nap or some coffee, but I get tired of it sometimes...   Now, back to work...   -Jonathan     > Despite correspondence on this List and in other places, I still just = cannot > see any need whatever for a 4 or 5 manual job of 80 to 120 stops in a = church > seating perhaps 600 to 1000. Three manuals and 50 to 60 stops is still a > very large number. I can think of St Mary of the Angels' RC here in > Wellington which for many years had an organ of just 19rks for the = 650-seat > building, and the organ was very adequate indeed and of stunning tone. = There > were 14 straight stops and five units, that's all, but it's been = enlarged, > not by much, in the last few years.    
(back) Subject: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:10:17 -0500   Does anyone know what Lemare's "formal" name for his arrangement/composition on the popular tune "Moonlight & Roses" was? Did the tune originate with him, or did he just use it in composition?   Could it perhaps be found in the OHS catalogue collection of:   Edwin H. Lemare: Transcriptions of 31 Popular TunesHome Sweet Home, Swanee River, Drink to me Only, Dixie, Old Black Joe, Coming Thru the Rye, When Johnny Comes Marching Home, My Old Kentucky Home, Loch Lomond, more.   Sheet Music WL600010$26.00 (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/sheetmusjlby.html)   If not, any other ideas on sources for this piece?   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri  
(back) Subject: questions re: 19th Century English Romantic Organs From: "Roy Daniels" <roydanls@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT)   Dear listmembers, I'm posing these questions: first what composes the = basic diapason of the late 19th C. English organs...specifically the = differences between the Fr. Willis diapason and the W. Hill....(is it = thickness of metal, cutups,etc.) Also some of the "tricks" that Willis = used to get a unbroken flow in his crescendos was to have 2 different wind = pressures on the same rank of pipes (the upper octave being higher w.p. = than the lower octave) What other schemes did Hill and Willis use to = achieve this gradual and unbroken crescendo? Another set of questions: = what is it about the organ at King's College that makes it sound so = glorious (other than the obvious acoustics) It's been rebuilt so many = times...last by Harrison and Harrison('68), redoing the William Hill; = lastly, same question re: the Arthur Harrison Organ at St. Mary Redcliffe = in Bristol...my personal favorite instrument in all of England. I will be = in England in August to research much of this myself but wanted some views from some of the very knowledgable people on this list. I do have = Stephen Bicknell's book on English Romantic Organs which gives a wealth of = info. Cheers           A. Roy Daniels organist and Director of Music St. Michael's by-the-sea Episcopal Carlsbad, Ca  
(back) Subject: Niels Gade From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:18:58 -0500   Does anyone know where information can be located on the organ works of N= iels Gade? Or perhaps where collections might still be in print?   I have some of his pieces in pre-1900 Clarence Eddy Collections, and they= are delightful, particularly his "Postlude in F-major."   I include below biographical information written by Dr. Earline Moulder a= bout Gade, and about his better-known pupil, Carl Neilsen.   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri   Niels Gade, founder=A0of the modern Scandinavian school of composition, w= as born Feb. 22, 1817 in Copenhagen and died there Dec. 21, 1890 (Franck = died Nov. 8).=A0 An ardent admirer of Mendelssohn and Schumann, he adopte= d a Romantic style in the then prevalent Germanic spirit.=A0 After Mendel= ssohn's death, Gade assumed the conductorship of the Gewandhaus concerts = in Leipzig, but on the outbreak of the Schleswig-Holstein War in the spri= ng of 1848, he returned to Copenhagen to become, in 1850,=A0chief conduct= or of the Copenhagen Musical Society.=A0 He was also cofounder of the Cop= enhagen=A0Conservatory in 1866.=A0 Despite his adherence to the Germanic = school, he infused elements of national Danish melodies into his works an= d so led the way to further development of Scandinavian music.=A0=20 Carl Nielsen=A0was born near Odense, Denmark, on the island of Fyn June 9= , 1865 (easy to remember since it was the year of the end of the Civil Wa= r in America) and died in Copenhagen October 3, 1931. A few months before= his death he was appointed director of the Royal Conservatory in Copenha= gen.=A0 The early style of his music, romantic in essence, was determined= by the combined influences of GADE (with whom he studied), Grieg,=A0Brah= ms and=A0Liszt.=A0 Nielsen is sometimes described as the Sibelius of Denm= ark, despite obvious dissimilarities--as his 5th Symphony (he wrote six) = with the insertion of a snare drum solo playing independently of the rest= of the orchestra, an example of his bold experimentations.=A0 His Commot= io (1931) for organ is a=A0challenging and exciting=20 work which I would like to=A0add to my repertoire.=A0 In his later music= his harmony grew more and more chromatic and dissonant, yet he reserved = the simple diatonic progressions, often in folksong manner, for his major= climaxes.=A0 He wrote a Chaconne for Piano (1916) among his very impress= ive number of works of various genre.  
(back) Subject: Re: Niels Gade From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:36:26 -0500   In print. See http://www.musicroom.com/se/ID_No/025236/details.html   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Niels Gade     Does anyone know where information can be located on the organ works of Niels Gade? Or perhaps where collections might still be in print?        
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "Johan Hermans" <j.h.o@skynet.be> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:35:10 +0200   Dear Daniel,   "Moonlight & Roses" is not included in Lemare's book with transcriptions = of 31 Popular Tunes (Wayne Leupold Sheet Music WL600010) ; At first sight it also isn't in Leupold's edition of original compositions.   Regards,   Johan Hermans - Belgium    
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "Harry Martenas" <harry.martenas@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:43:07 -0400   Andantino (in D flat)   I *think* the melody was original to him, and was later issued as a pop tune, with his permission. I'm sure others will supply more imformation.   Harry Martenas Bloomsburg, PA   On 6/1/05, Daniel Hancock <dhancock@brpae.com> wrote: > Does anyone know what Lemare's "formal" name for his > arrangement/composition on the popular tune "Moonlight & Roses" was? > Did the tune originate with him, or did he just use it in composition?  
(back) Subject: RE: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:42:15 -0500   You might try his Andantino in D-flat. Just a thought   Michael     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Johan Hermans Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 5:35 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions   Dear Daniel,   "Moonlight & Roses" is not included in Lemare's book with transcriptions = of 31 Popular Tunes (Wayne Leupold Sheet Music WL600010) ; At first sight it also isn't in Leupold's edition of original compositions.   Regards,   Johan Hermans - Belgium      
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:56:08 -0500   At 5:10 PM -0500 6/1/05, Daniel Hancock wrote: >Does anyone know what Lemare's "formal" name for his >arrangement/composition on the popular tune "Moonlight & Roses" was? >Did the tune originate with him, or did he just use it in composition?   Andantino in D-flat - it was an original composition of his. There are numerous recordings of it in the OHS Catalogue and it is available in the "Oxford Victorian Organ Album" which the OHS also sells.   Type in "Lemare - Andantino in D-flat" in the Search facility in the OHS Catalogue and you should find all sorts of matches.   David  
(back) Subject: RE: questions re: 19th Century English Romantic Organs From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:34:56 +1200   >Another set of questions: what is it about the organ at King's College = that makes it sound so glorious (other than the obvious acoustics) It's been rebuilt so many times...last by Harrison and Harrison('68), redoing the William Hill   From my listening to the King's organ in recital and service, from nave, choir or console, it is ONLY the acoustics and siting that make this organ sound any good. To me, it is a very average instrument with, as you have said, a helluva mongrel of a "pedigree". Some time back, there was real pressure to have it replaced by a new instument, but when the kybosh went = on that idea, it was probably for both sentimental and financial reasons = rather than musical.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: modest sized Mollers From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 11:52:17 +1200   >I guess what I'm trying to get across is that while I tolerate your = strong opinions and even allow for them, you sometimes irritate me, as it seems = you don't do me (and others) the courtesy of the same. Mebbe I just need a = nap or some coffee, but I get tired of it sometimes...   My apologies as I was not intending to irritate you or anyone else. = Against that, you see, I believe that as congregations are becoming smaller and = less interested in the organ, that process will speed up if the parishes are encumbered with huge tuning, maintenance and rebuild costs, making them = more likely to turn to a quick-fix electroid or ditch an organ altogether. I could be wrong on this, but I don't think so as, even in our much smaller set-up here in NZ, the same thing is happening: a parish recently ditched its II/19 pipe organ and bought a 3m electronic for half the cost a = rebuild would have been. Another recently dumped its 2/13 in favour of a 3m electronic, and saved money even on that. I could mention a number of churches here, too, that have turfed out most of their organ, keeping just = 4 or 5 ranks and adding them to a 3m electronic, gaining (as they see it) a vast increase in resources with far less money spent. In a new church, = too, that's not the only saving as decent physical space for an organ is expensive to build.   Back to your comment: of course you can have your own opinion and I'm on this List because I enjoy reading them, not because I'm on some kind of crusade, believe me.   Regards, Ross    
(back) Subject: White NYC organ is more noteworthy of the two? From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:54:33 -0700 (PDT)   St Mary the Virgin or St Pauls Chapel Which is more noteworthy? TDH   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Fwd: Organ parts for Sale in NH From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:06:23 -0500   We received this at the Administration address and are forwarding it to the lists. Other than that i know nothing about it. If you have questions use the AOL email address listed below.   David   >From: AJJE002@aol.com >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:25:49 EDT >Subject: Organ parts for Sale in NH >To: admin@pipechat.org >Sender: <admin@pipechat.org> >X-LR-SENT-TO: david@blackiris.com > >Hi >I was given your email to see about posting an note about an Organ Parts = Yard >Sale we are going to have June 11 in NH. >We purchased a building in NH with the contents which was a Organ repair >business. So we have endless organ parts and pipes. >The Sale is Sat. June 11, 2005, 9 to 12 at 216 Spinney Road in = Portsmouth, >NH. It will be CASH AND CARRY! >Thank you >Joyce and Alan Sanderson     -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: White NYC organ is more noteworthy of the two? From: "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:11:33 -0400   St. Mary the Virgin - hands down.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Desiree' Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:55 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: White NYC organ is more noteworthy of the two?   St Mary the Virgin or St Pauls Chapel Which is more noteworthy? TDH   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:48:17 -0400   The only title I have for it is "Andantino". And I thought Moonlight and = Roses came after Andantino....   --Shirley   On 1 Jun 2005 at 17:10, Daniel Hancock expounded:   > Does anyone know what Lemare's "formal" name for his > arrangement/composition on the popular tune "Moonlight & Roses" was? > Did the tune originate with him, or did he just use it in composition?      
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:00:30 EDT   In a message dated 6/1/05 5:49:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pnst.shirley@verizon.net writes:   > The only title I have for it is "Andantino". And I thought Moonlight = and > Roses came > after Andantino....   it did. andantino in d-flat was the name of lemare's original = composition. someone else (whom, i don't know, nor when) put words to it and the already-popular work became his most requested piece. he disliked playing = it, but he obliged his audiences and before his death he had performed it hundreds, = if not thousands of times.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Lemare Organ Works/Transcriptions From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:02:35 EDT   In a message dated 6/1/2005 6:10:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhancock@brpae.com writes: Does anyone know what Lemare's "formal" name for his arrangement/composition on the popular tune "Moonlight & Roses" was? Did the tune originate with him, or did he just use it in composition? The real title is "Andantino in D-Flat major" - the 'moonlight' title was attatched to the piece several years after the piece was published when = the lyrics were added and the music 'adapted'.   Rick in VA