PipeChat Digest #5392 - Monday, June 6, 2005
 
OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: fav. small American organs
  by "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net>
AUSTIN Co. DATABASE INFO
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: fav. small American organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: AUSTIN DATABASE INFO
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: 5th manuals
  by <rredman@imagin.net>
Andy's 4' Octave
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: fav. small American organs
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
Back from Philadelphia
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
Re: Andy's 4' Octave
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
celestes that really aren't supposed to be
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
X OT at St. Lambert
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
FW: News out of Washington DC
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: fav. small American organs
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 06:11:17 -0500   Andy   Then please check out the instrument and update the listing in the OHS database. All of us on the Database Committee know that there are errors in various listings so we need to rely on people with "personal" knowledge of an instrument to update the information we have. There is a button at the bottom of each listing titled "Update This Entry" that is tied directly into the entry for the instrument. And you will be given credit for the information your provide.   If you go to: http://organsociety.bsc.edu/About.php?document=3D2 - the page for the History of the Database you can read about the various forms this has taken over the years. Basically what is now the On-Line database started originally with typewritten lists compiled by various members. Those lists were later transferred to 3 X 5 cards and then into the original database. There is the possibility of various errors that could have crept in over the years during these various permutations. That is why the entry for this organ (http://organsociety.bsc.edu/SingleOrganDetails.php?OrganID=3D3967) has "It is believed that this organ still exists, but its current condition has not been documented. (Last update: transfer of data from the OHS PC Database, October 30, 2004.)" currently.   If you haven't looked at the database you might want to check it out, the address is http://organsociety.bsc.edu - an btw there is no "www" in front of that. We know that some people have had problems connecting to it at various times and we hope that those problems have been straightened out. Over this first week there have been close to 1,500 searches done with close to 3000 single organ pages looked at. So we know that people have been able to connect to it.   David     At 11:34 PM -0400 6/4/05, Andy Lawrence wrote: >Cool! I'm pretty sure the 4' flute is full compass though, not TC as >listed. The TC should be with the Dulciana Cornet (which is not how >the stop is engraved, btw, but perhaps is the original engraving) and >perhaps the twelfth... don't remember. > >On 6/4/05, John L. Speller <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote: >> This is where the new OHS database proves so useful ... >> > > See http://organsociety.bsc.edu/stoplists/VT/VT.Grafton.3967.TXT  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 07:57:47 -0500   I have tried unsuccessfully to access the data base. Initially I got a directory listing. Today I got a address not found error.   Jon    
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 08:07:40 -0500   At 07:57 AM 6/5/05, you wrote:   >I have tried unsuccessfully to access the data base. Initially I got a >directory listing. Today I got a >address not found error. > >Jon   I was able to link from the OHS site,,,impressive piece of work. Question? =   Medinah Temple is listed as 90 stops, 77 ranks. I thought the Medinah Austin was 92 ranks.   Jon   Jon    
(back) Subject: Re: fav. small American organs From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:32:48 -0500   I checked my files, and the Dulciana Cornet is full compass; the Flute is indeed TC, as listed. The little Johnson in Shrewsbury, VT http://www.sover.net/~popel/johnson.shrews.html also has a TC flute and a full compass tierce, so that's not unusual.   The Nutting was on a Vermont AGO organ crawl a few years ago, so I have = the advantage of Ed Boadway's meticulous stoplist to check from. I find it interesting that the Open Diapason is TC, but the Stop'd Diapason Bass is TF- so it seems that it is assumed that the Stop'd will always be drawn with the Open, or there would be the fourth TC to TF with two pipes playing, and the rest with one.   Paul Opel   >Cool! I'm pretty sure the 4' flute is full compass though, not TC as >listed. The TC should be with the Dulciana Cornet (which is not how >the stop is engraved, btw, but perhaps is the original engraving) and >perhaps the twelfth... don't remember. > >On 6/4/05, John L. Speller <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote: >> This is where the new OHS database proves so useful ... >> >> See http://organsociety.bsc.edu/stoplists/VT/VT.Grafton.3967.TXT >> >> John Speller >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>     http://www.sover.net/~popel/agomain.html      
(back) Subject: AUSTIN Co. DATABASE INFO From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 07:24:13 -0700   I was looking at the OHS organ database and noted the Austin at 1st Presbyterian Florence AL was listed as 24 ranks. I then went to the = Austin Company website and noted that they list it as 24 ranks.   That organ has 18 ranks, and has had no additions or repairs, other than some releathering. The number 24 is accurate for the number of speaking stops, however.   I sent that correction/update to the OHS database using the tools = provided. It could be possible that the info on Austin's website is not 100% = correct.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of = jch   I was able to link from the OHS site, impressive piece of work.   Question: Medinah Temple is listed as 90 stops, 77 ranks. I thought the Medinah Austin was 92 ranks.   Jon      
(back) Subject: Re: fav. small American organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:40:04 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Opel" <popel@sover.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: Re: fav. small American organs     I find it > interesting that the Open Diapason is TC, but the Stop'd Diapason Bass = is > TF- so it seems that it is assumed that the Stop'd will always be drawn > with the Open, or there would be the fourth TC to TF with two pipes > playing, and the rest with one.   The Olde English way of registering always used the Stopt Diapason with = the Open, and the diapason movements of eighteenth-century English voluntaries are generally marked "Diapasons" meaning Open + Stopt. This was done = partly because the Open Diapason was often of rather ponderous speech, so adding the Stopt Diapason made the speech seem more prompt.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: AUSTIN DATABASE INFO From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 11:25:31 EDT   All of the published information on Austin instruments is for number = of stop controls, not ranks. There is no published opus list for Austin that matches an accurate = rank count with each organ, and no published opus list that matches a DATE with =   each organ.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: 5th manuals From: <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:33:12 -0500 (CDT)   >"Actually built" may be a bit misleading, Sand. The Jacksons of Toronto, long time Casavant reps. told me they went to the open house to see the "new" organ for Jackson TN. They immediately recognized it as the Royal York Hotel organ. They told me that they asked some of the Keats Geisler people about it, who still claimed that they had built the instrument. Roy     Keates-Geissler actually built four (4) five manual organs for Southern > Baptist Churches a few years ago. 1st Baptist, Dallas, TX .... = 5/149.... > it > never worked well enough for the dedication advertised in TAO. Shades > Mountain Baptist, Birmingham, AL ..... 5/167 ..... a rebuild of > Aeolian-Skinner, #1520. Dauphin Way Baptist, Mobile, AL ..... 5/147. = 1st > Baptist, Jackson, MS.... 5/237. This was the famous 1940 E.M.Skinner. > It's > a bit of trivia..... but useful every now and then. > > Sand Lawn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 9:37 PM > Subject: RE: 5th manuals > > >> I'm actually wondering if this organ isn't the one at First Baptist in >> Jackson, MS as they had a 5 manual put together by Keates-Geissler. It >> has been replaced by a 5 manual Qumiby using some of the old pipework. > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Andy's 4' Octave From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:50:46 -0500   Andy, I've got a huge scale 4' octave of spotted metal; old, maker unknown (was sold to me as "possibly Morey"), but seems to have been a "stentor octave." It is LOUD, but low pressure. Some pipes are damaged, and it's basically the treble end.......lower octave missing as well as another pipe here or there.   I'm in Illinois which is not very convenient........but.......   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Re: fav. small American organs From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:11:54 -0700   Ok, I'd certainly trust Ed's stoplist better than my memory :) A short-compass 4' flute does seem odd, though, huh? I remember the TF/TC conflict though, when I played it for Grafton's 250th... thinking that was a bit odd. I actually thought many of their decisions about compasses were a bit strange. My theoretical small organ would have everything full compass of course... if possible. :) Andy   On 6/5/05, Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> wrote: > I checked my files, and the Dulciana Cornet is full compass; the Flute is > indeed TC, as listed. The little Johnson in Shrewsbury, VT > http://www.sover.net/~popel/johnson.shrews.html also has a TC flute and = a > full compass tierce, so that's not unusual. >=20 > The Nutting was on a Vermont AGO organ crawl a few years ago, so I have t= he > advantage of Ed Boadway's meticulous stoplist to check from. I find it > interesting that the Open Diapason is TC, but the Stop'd Diapason Bass is > TF- so it seems that it is assumed that the Stop'd will always be drawn > with the Open, or there would be the fourth TC to TF with two pipes > playing, and the rest with one. >=20 > Paul Opel >=20 > >Cool! I'm pretty sure the 4' flute is full compass though, not TC as > >listed. The TC should be with the Dulciana Cornet (which is not how > >the stop is engraved, btw, but perhaps is the original engraving) and > >perhaps the twelfth... don't remember.  
(back) Subject: Back from Philadelphia From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:34:54 -0700   So... I'm back! (My posts from the weekend were actually made from my hotel, using the public computer).   The wedding I played for at 10th Pres went very well. In that room, which isn't massively reverberant, but live enough, the Allen sounded pretty good I thought. Some stops sound great, others very silly sounding (the 8' Bombarde from the Bombarde division sounds very odd.=20 Like an extremely loud harmonic flute or something). It has undulants of all kinds, and they're all full compass! I had fun with it, making full use of the Bombarde division for the bride's fanfare, and at the end of the recessional. I also used all 4 manuals, so I didn't use manual 4 as a shelf for my lunch or coffee. This was my first time ever playing something with more than 3. Manual 4 was reachable... but just barely, and I'm tall. The keyboards are the usual Allen garbage, and did mess up my playing quite a bit, glissandos from one white key to another being nearly impossible. Overall, it was great fun.   I also checked out Wannamakers yesterday at noon of course (my 3rd visit of my life) and they played the usual Mr Rogers Neighborhood style music. It wasn't Peter, it was a sub, so there were longer than usual pauses in between pieces, and even in between phrases as he explored the resources on-the-fly. Pretty impressive really, I didn't really know he was exploring on the fly until I found the video screen where you can watch what's going on up close (a new feature apparently, now that they no longer allow spectators at the console).=20 Anyhow, after the recital, I sat at the console and found all 6 manuals a very comfortable reach. Interesting, when on the Allen manual 4 is _just_ in reach. I'm not sure exactly why. The severe tilt at Wannamakers is one reason, but by manual 4 the tilt isn't that severe yet. I suspect there must be something else different, but can't put my finger on (heh... pun not intended) just what it is.=20 Shorter keys possibly.   Anyway... good to be home. But I do love Philly more each time I visit. I'll have pictures for y'all soon.   Andy  
(back) Subject: Re: Andy's 4' Octave From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:14:11 -0700   Yipe! Thanks, but I need something that will sound good in a medium-small, dry room. Something a bit more normal scale (moderately oversized is ok), but can blend to some degree with my over-scaled 8'. Thanks!   Out of curiosity... just to make sure... just what is the scale? I'll try to get some measurements tomorrow too, to indicate what I'm really looking for.   To anyone tuning in for the first time... I'm in desperate need of a cheap 4' Octave that isn't too skinny. 61 notes would be swell, 73 would be great. My wind pressure is a hair under 3". I don't mind adjusting the new pipes to suit the pressure. Andy   On 6/5/05, First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois <kzrev@rr1.net> wrote: > Andy, I've got a huge scale 4' octave of spotted metal; old, maker > unknown (was sold to me as "possibly Morey"), but seems to have been a > "stentor octave." It is LOUD, but low pressure. Some pipes are > damaged, and it's basically the treble end.......lower octave missing as > well as another pipe here or there. >=20 > I'm in Illinois which is not very convenient........but....... >=20 > Dennis Steckley >  
(back) Subject: celestes that really aren't supposed to be From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 18:26:04 -0500   Hi list, We have 2 strings (dulciana, and viola) on the 5 rank Wicks = that I play on at church. I had one of the ranks tuned so that I get a very pleasant sounding celeste when both are drawn. Why does that work and = not a Viola and Aeolian combination? Just was curious. Gary    
(back) Subject: X OT at St. Lambert From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 00:54:34 EDT   Our lineup today was: Prelude: Improvisation on Lobe den Herrn, including Malcolm Archer's setting in After the Last Verse Processional: Praise To the Lord (Lobe den Herrn) Psalm and Gospel Acclamation: Proper of the day (Owen Alstott) Offertory Anthem: Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (JS Bach) Mass Ordinary: A Community Mass (Richard Proulx) Communion Hymn: Love Divine, All Loves Excelling (Hyfrydol) Anthem: Lo! Angels' Bread Is Made the Bread of Man Today (Claudio Casciolini, arr. John Lee; a cappella) Recessional: Sent Forth By God's Blessing (The Ash Grove) Postlude: Improvisation on The Ash Grove Fairly easy Sunday for a change -- choir sang magnificently! Next Sunday = is Choir Appreciation Day, then choir is off until September. Steve Steven Weyand Folkers St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL USA  
(back) Subject: Re: OHS Database WAS: Re: fav. small American organs From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 22:15:22 -0700   >=20 > Then please check out the instrument and update the listing in the > OHS database. All of us on the Database Committee know that there > are errors in various listings so we need to rely on people with > "personal" knowledge of an instrument to update the information we > have. There is a button at the bottom of each listing titled "Update > This Entry" that is tied directly into the entry for the instrument. > And you will be given credit for the information your provide.   Cool, I'll do that next time I'm in Grafton. I'm due for a visit soon (my parents still live there). I definitely want to be there with notebook and pencil and make sure I've got it right first. Andy  
(back) Subject: FW: News out of Washington DC From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:12:00 -0700     Paste the link below to your browser for a report from Washington National Cathedral.   http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/music/organplan.shtml   It seems that they plan on providing a new mechanical/electric action instrument in the rear gallery to enhance liturgical singing. This will = be playable from the great choir via secondary electric pull-downs.   The front organ is to be completely replaced, while retaining significant portions of the Skinner (and later additions) pipework.   Fisk and Dobson are submitting visual designs for the back organ, and the entire concept must be approved by several Cathedral committees.   Interesting...   Randy Terry        
(back) Subject: Re: fav. small American organs From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:10:34 +0100   Hi   A TC 4ft flute seems to be quite common on small British organs of the mid =   to late 19th/early 20th Century (unless it's the only 4ft). Principal, = and if present 15th are almost invariably full compass, as is Stopped Diapason =   (sometimes with a Clarabella or Open Flute treble range. Open Diapasons often also stopped at TC.   Source - observation, plus entering many surveys on the National Pipe = Organ Register. (www.bios.org.uk/npor)   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: Re: fav. small American organs     Ok, I'd certainly trust Ed's stoplist better than my memory :) A short-compass 4' flute does seem odd, though, huh? I remember the TF/TC conflict though, when I played it for Grafton's 250th... thinking that was a bit odd. I actually thought many of their decisions about compasses were a bit strange. My theoretical small organ would have everything full compass of course... if possible. :) Andy   On 6/5/05, Paul Opel <popel@sover.net> wrote: > I checked my files, and the Dulciana Cornet is full compass; the Flute = is > indeed TC, as listed. The little Johnson in Shrewsbury, VT > http://www.sover.net/~popel/johnson.shrews.html also has a TC flute and = a > full compass tierce, so that's not unusual. > > The Nutting was on a Vermont AGO organ crawl a few years ago, so I have > the > advantage of Ed Boadway's meticulous stoplist to check from. I find it > interesting that the Open Diapason is TC, but the Stop'd Diapason Bass = is > TF- so it seems that it is assumed that the Stop'd will always be drawn > with the Open, or there would be the fourth TC to TF with two pipes > playing, and the rest with one. > > Paul Opel > > >Cool! I'm pretty sure the 4' flute is full compass though, not TC as > >listed. The TC should be with the Dulciana Cornet (which is not how > >the stop is engraved, btw, but perhaps is the original engraving) and > >perhaps the twelfth... don't remember.   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>