PipeChat Digest #5408 - Thursday, June 16, 2005
 
screens
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: screens
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: screens
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: screens
  by "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com>
Re: screens
  by "Organist" <organist@clover.net>
Re: screens
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: screens
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: screens
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Question on Policy?
  by "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu>
Re: screens
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: screens
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
RE: powerpoint
  by "Richard E. Malone" <remalone@btinternet.com>
Re: screens
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat   instrument jokes
  by "Hazel Sessions" <hazelws@yahoo.com>
Re: Questions on policy
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Re: Questions on policy
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Question on Policy
  by <SWF12262@aol.com>
Re: Questions on policy
  by "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Zymbelstern
  by "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <janvds@optonline.net>
Re: Question on Policy
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
 

(back) Subject: screens From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:48:23 EDT   fact of life...... contemptible service must have screens.... SO----- i use screens for anthems and hymn words at traditional services. Sunday, i am playing JB's With Joy I await the lovely summertime screen person going and getting appropriate pics and scenes and adding = words of chorale. we are making sure that it is used for good as well as evil. dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:01:59 -0500   At 05:48 AM 6/15/05, you wrote:   >fact of life...... >contemptible service must have screens.... > AND POWERPOINT    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:43:22 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:06:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, opus1100@catoe.org writes:   >fact of life...... >contemptible service must have screens.... > AND POWERPOINT       Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they stop distribution PowerPoint a couple of years ago? My household got a new computer last week (can you = tell I'm doing this on a computer that doesn't freeze up every 10 minutes?) which = has WindowsXP, and I can find no evidence of PowerPoint anywhere on it. Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: RE: screens From: "Will Light" <will.light@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 14:48:58 +0100   Powerpoint is part of the Office Suite. You won't find it installed on a = new PC - you have to pay through the nose for it!   Will Light Coventry UK   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of ContraReed@aol.com Sent: 15 June 2005 14:43 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: screens   In a message dated 6/15/2005 9:06:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, opus1100@catoe.org writes:   >fact of life...... >contemptible service must have screens.... > AND POWERPOINT       Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they stop distribution PowerPoint a couple of years ago? My household got a new computer last week (can you tell I'm doing this on a computer that doesn't freeze up every 10 minutes?) which has WindowsXP, and I can find no evidence of PowerPoint anywhere on it. Richard Spittel   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Organist" <organist@clover.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:08:50 -0700     >Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they stop distribution PowerPoint a >couple of years ago? >   I don't think so. I hope not. Having taught special education for the last 6 years I've found it to be one of the most useful programs out there. It's great for presenting information, creating self-correcting activities for the kids; just all around great.   As far as screens go, I think we've managed to finally get this issue pushed aside at our church. We have a ferw who have been wanting to go this route, citing decreased interest and declining membership as good reasons for change. Our current minister is very much a traditionalist, and over the last few years we have indeed seen an increase in membership and involvement. I hope he stays for a while.   Best wishes, Mike        
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:05:41 -0500   Powerpoint is included in the Microsoft Works Package. Powerpoint is very much alive and is used in business.   jch     At 08:43 AM 6/15/05, you wrote: >My household got a new computer last week (can you tell I'm >doing this on a computer that doesn't freeze up every 10 minutes?) which = has >WindowsXP, and I can find no evidence of PowerPoint anywhere on it. > >Richard Spittel    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:25:47 +0100   Hi   As a regular user of PowerPoint - mainly in church, and my congregation = love it! - I've only seen it as part of Microsoft Office - NOT Works (sadly, as =   Works is often bundled with new computers). There are alternatives - Open =   Office and similar suites have an equivalent to PowerPoint - but the ones I've tried are not 100% compatible - especially when you get into the more =   advanced animation effects. I have also seen PowerPoint available by itself - but at a cost in the region of 200UKP!   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: screens     > Powerpoint is included in the Microsoft Works Package. Powerpoint is = very > much alive and is used in business. > > jch > > > At 08:43 AM 6/15/05, you wrote: >>My household got a new computer last week (can you tell I'm >>doing this on a computer that doesn't freeze up every 10 minutes?) = which >>has >>WindowsXP, and I can find no evidence of PowerPoint anywhere on it. >> >>Richard Spittel > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 10:38:04 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/2005 10:10:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, opus1100@catoe.org writes:   Powerpoint is included in the Microsoft Works Package. Powerpoint is very much alive and is used in business.       OK, I guess I'm wrong. I was told in a business seminar a couple of = years ago that Microsoft was going to stop doing Powerpoint because there were = too many problems with customer support (or something like that). There's only one time in the Liturgical year at my church I wish we had a =   screens and PowerPoint. On Good Friday (IIRC), Stations of the Cross is a = part of the Service. Since everyone can't follow the pastor et al., we all = sit in the pews and listen (and supposedly meditate on what is being read). = Since we're an ELCA Lutheran church, most people aren't very familiar with the Stations, but we do have very small (about post card size) Stations around = the church. I always think it would be a good idea to bring in a screen and project different artists' renditions on each Station to give it a visual = impact as well as aural. ORGAN CONTENT: Most of our "Mighty Moller" has been removed from the = church [ _Click here: St. Mark's Lutheran Church Baltimore_ (http://www.stmarksluthbaltimore.org/) ] and is being = refurbished/repaired/replaced/added-on/etc. by the firm of Patrick Murphy. Some of the trumpet en chamade pipes are = left since they are only about 40 years old. During the summer, some = historical refurbishments and acoustic improvements will be made in the Nave in = preparation for the organ, which should be done by the end of August. At the moment we're using piano and various instrumentalists from the congregation, but = we ALL miss the organ - we can't wait for the new one. I don't think a date for = a dedicatory recital has been set yet, but there is supposed to be a = recital there when the AGO meets in Baltimore in a year or so (or did I get those = dates screwed up?)   Richard Spittel Baltimore, MD  
(back) Subject: Re: Question on Policy? From: "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:53:22 -0500   Kip, =20 My prayers are with you. My parish (small Episcopal parish, northern TX) held a bit-of-discussion two years ago concerning contemporary services. Only hitch--the people who expressed interest were most into social-hour=20=   sing-alongs than actual MASS. Not one of these folks showed up for a preparatory work session before first contemporary mass. So, the entire subject has been shelved indefinitely (for Sunday mass--we do use that type of music for occasional fellowship hour). =20 And, the screen, projector, soundman, etc--our new priest would never tolerate any portion of that for a nanosecond--your mother's comments ring very well! =20 =20 Even our Lord Christ said: 'Many will try to enter by the wide path-- YOU use the narrow path.' =20 I went through this with the old American Lutheran Church 30 yrs ago, and it *has* come back around to more 'dignified'; your membership has to re-acquaint itself with WORSHIP, not just ENTERTAINMENT. If you have access--please read Dr. John Weavers comments after his retirement from Madison Ave Pres Church (NYC) on May 31--should be in the NYTimes website, among other places. =20 All my prayers-- =20 Don McClure (Episcopal, TX, USA) >>> kipsmith@getgoin.net 6/14/2005 10:01 PM >>>   Please respond on the list, for some of us are in similar situations = and=20 need to think this through. We, like many United Methodists, are getting = our=20 new pastor in two weeks, and this question looms large - from the hints = that=20 have been dropped so far. We are the only church in town that never = uses=20 recorded accompaniment in Sunday services, but the new pastor insists = that=20 we must bite the bullet and get a screen and projector..."because = everybody=20 else has one". These last words, and their implications send chills down = my=20 spine. The first thing that pops into my mind is my Mom, hands on hips,=20 asking in that sarcastic grown-up way that parents of eight-year-olds = do,=20 "If everybody else jumped off the roof, does that mean that you would do = it=20 too?" The obvious answer was implied in the asking of the question, = and=20 even at eight years old I got it right. We hope our new pastor will get = it=20 too. But we need to support each other in this counter-cultural struggle. = Kip=20 Smith in Missouri     > I'm sure this has come up before, so if someone can point me to the = right > place in the archives I am happy to go there... > > > What is your church's policy regarding tape/CD accompaniment trax or=20 > tape/CD > in place of "live" musicians? My church needs to craft a well-worded=20 > policy to > avoid having the "sound guy" function as musician (which he is not.) > > > If you have a policy in place and would be willing to share that would = be > great! You can contact me off pipechat if you wish. > Linda Strouf > Minister of Music > Third Reformed Church > Holland, MI > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > >=20       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>        
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:25:31 -0500   Hello, Richard, et al: > . . . AND POWERPOINT > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they stop distribution > PowerPoint a couple of years ago? Distribution of PowerPoint may not be surprising. > My household got a new computer last week > (can you tell I'm doing this on a computer that doesn't > freeze up every 10 minutes?) which has WindowsXP, > and I can find no evidence of PowerPoint anywhere > on it. > > Richard Spittel Richard, did you purchase Microsoft Office to go with the new computer? PowerPoint is and has been a part of that program, ....though it may be offered as a stand alone program by some others. I have owned Microsoft Office (purchased separately) for about 5 years, and with my new HP computer with Windows XP, ...also running without bogging down, I can get to just about anything that is compatable with Microsoft. Don't care for WORD at all, but tolerate it. <grins> F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:32:31 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/2005 12:26:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, effarbee@verizon.net writes:   Richard, did you purchase Microsoft Office to go with the new computer? PowerPoint is and has been a part of that program, ....though it may be offered as a stand alone program by some others.       No. I get along fine with Wordperfect. I was under the impression that = all that stuff was bundled together with Windows. Another fallacy bites the dust. Richard  
(back) Subject: RE: powerpoint From: "Richard E. Malone" <remalone@btinternet.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 18:40:53 +0100   Hello all,   Powerpoint is available here in the UK as a stand alone product. However the Price is 175 pounds. How much in USA?   Regards.   Richard.    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:42:47 EDT   Power Point is not a feature of Windows ZP, rather it is a part of = Microsoft Office.  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat instrument jokes From: "Hazel Sessions" <hazelws@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT)   How many Choir Directors does it take to change a light bulb? No one knows. No one has ever watched! ;-)   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on policy From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:44:09 EDT   My church has a very simple policy: If the instrument plugs into the wall or utilizes loudspeakers, then it = is not allowed to be used for a service. In other words, we have a pipe organ, a Steinway grand piano, and a fine choir. Our organist/choirmaster is a graduate of Westminster Choir = College and The Juilliard School. If this isn't good enough for you, tough. By the way, our church is growing. Cheers, Justin Hartz  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on policy From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:49:28 EDT   In a message dated 6/15/05 8:45:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Justinhartz@aol.com writes:   > My church has a very simple policy: > If the instrument plugs into the wall or utilizes loudspeakers, then it = is > not allowed to be used for a service. > In other words, we have a pipe organ, a Steinway grand piano, and a = fine > choir. Our organist/choirmaster is a graduate of Westminster Choir = College > and > The Juilliard School. If this isn't good enough for you, tough. > > By the way, our church is growing. > > Cheers, > > Justin Hartz   same with our church (only our grand isn't a steinway). and we're growing =   also.   scot in spokane  
(back) Subject: Re: Question on Policy From: <SWF12262@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:23:24 EDT   Well, I sent this privately, but since you ask: Dear Linda, Our policy is that recorded music of any kind is inappropriate for the celebration of the liturgy. Worship is and must be a "live" event, with = all the musicians participating. The use of prerecorded music is inconsistent = with authentic worship. Prerecorded music would seem to me to degenerate the musical sacrifice of praise to some kind of lip-sync performance. We are = called to praise God with voices and instruments, not to phone it in! Hoping this = is of some help to you! Steve Steven Weyand Folkers Director of Music St. Lambert RC Church Skokie, IL  
(back) Subject: Re: Questions on policy From: "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 00:34:09 -0500   So then your pipe organ is hand pumped? and your Steinway has no dehumidifier in it?   Last time I looked, the pipe organs I've played have a plug for the blowers, so I guess you can't have one of them in your church according to your policy. Tom Hoehn, Organist CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS First United Methodist Church of Clearwater 4/9? Wicks/Ruffatti/Rodgers Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes (substitute) 4/42 Wurlitzer     -----Original Message----- From: Justinhartz@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:44:09 EDT Subject: Re: Questions on policy   > My church has a very simple policy: > If the instrument plugs into the wall or utilizes loudspeakers, then > it is > not allowed to be used for a service. > In other words, we have a pipe organ, a Steinway grand piano, and a > fine > choir. Our organist/choirmaster is a graduate of Westminster Choir > College and > The Juilliard School. If this isn't good enough for you, tough. > > By the way, our church is growing. > > Cheers, > > Justin Hartz > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >      
(back) Subject: Zymbelstern From: "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <janvds@optonline.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:41:52 -0400   Hello, List   Can anyone tell me who makes a descent sounding zymbelstern? Your input would be greatly appreciated.   Jan S. Van Der Stad    
(back) Subject: Re: Question on Policy From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:11:50 +0100   Hi   I agree in essence with this view - I would always use live music in worship, even if the technical ability of the players is limited, but I would not rule out MIDI and pre-recorded material in some contexts. At my =   previous church, I used MIDI files regularly to accompany the choir (more accurately, a singing group). They needed a conductor - and certainly performed more confidently if I conducted - but conducting and playing was =   not feasible. We had no other competent musicians, and also, MIDI meant that I could use instrumental sounds and ensembles that we could not have accessed live. I also occasionally use pre-recorded music as a background =   to meditation/prayer - by no means all the time - or as part of on-screen presentations. Recorded music (because the tempo is fixed) can also be = good for liturgical dance.   I think we need to be pragmatic about this issue. God is primarily interested in the attitude of heart of the worshippers, not the content = and means of worship.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: <SWF12262@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: Re: Question on Policy     > Well, I sent this privately, but since you ask: > > Dear Linda, > > Our policy is that recorded music of any kind is inappropriate for the > celebration of the liturgy. Worship is and must be a "live" event, with =   > all the > musicians participating. The use of prerecorded music is inconsistent > with > authentic worship. Prerecorded music would seem to me to degenerate = the > musical sacrifice of praise to some kind of lip-sync performance. We = are > called to > praise God with voices and instruments, not to phone it in! Hoping = this > is > of some help to you! > > Steve > > Steven Weyand Folkers > Director of Music > St. Lambert RC Church > Skokie, IL > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >