PipeChat Digest #5409 - Thursday, June 16, 2005
 
Re: screens
  by "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl>
Re: screens
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
RE: screens
  by "Christopher J. Howerter" <christophhowerter@sbcglobal.net>
J M Bach
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Music policies
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
music policies
  by "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com>
Re: music policies
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Re: music policies
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: screens
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: screens
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: screens
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:54:28 +0200   You can also use Open Office (to be find at www.openoffice.org) The program Presentation resembles power point a lot and can read and write powerpoint files. And... it is free and open source...   greets   Maurits   On 15-jun-05, at 23:42, OrganMD@aol.com wrote:   > Power Point is not a feature of Windows ZP, rather it is a part of > Microsoft > Office. > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:14:15 +0100   Hi   Warning - Open Office is NOT totally compatible with PowerPoint. I found this out the hard way, after putting a PPT presentation together, I opened =   it (on another computer) in Open Office, and it had lost many of the animations and effects.   If you only use Open Office, it's no problem - you can virtually = everything that PowerPoint can (although I've not tried the more sophisticated facilities), but if you need compatibility, then PowerPoint is still the = way to go - it's virtually a de facto standard.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: screens     > You can also use Open Office (to be find at www.openoffice.org) The > program Presentation resembles power point a lot and can read and write > powerpoint files. And... it is free and open source... > > greets > > Maurits > > On 15-jun-05, at 23:42, OrganMD@aol.com wrote: > >> Power Point is not a feature of Windows ZP, rather it is a part of >> Microsoft >> Office. >> >> ****************************************************************** >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >    
(back) Subject: RE: screens From: "Christopher J. Howerter" <christophhowerter@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:22:48 -0400   PowerPoint was installed with all of Office 2003 on what was my brand new laptop with Windows XP last September. It also included Excel and Word = (the one I use the most) and etc. However, they had a free trial period of = three months to use it. After I did, I felt the need to purchase the full version. Thankfully, being I was a student of an educational facility, I was able to get a reduced price. It is very useful.   Cheers, Chris      
(back) Subject: J M Bach From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:40:01 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I don't know where I've been all my life, but I obviously haven't been smelling the coffee!   Bach say you? Give me Becks, I don't drink water; Krebs make love in it!   Anyway...I've just discovered music by J M Bach which is rather lovely.   What does anyone know about him?   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK             __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html  
(back) Subject: Music policies From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT)   I wish we had the same culture in our plant town that seems to be = available in others. St. Hyacinth is also growing (some) but we have a = strong ensemble that accompanies our 11:30 mass. They have to "plug in" = several of their instruments including the piano that I also have to use. = That group is wildly popular with the mass they serve. I have heard many = comments on how much the assembly appreciates the sound and texture of the = group in the same way I hear comments on how they appreciate my organ, = vocal, and piano skills in the other masses. Tony is correct when he says = we must be pragmatic about what works. Father plays a chant CD before = 7:00 AM mass. People seem to really love it. Fortunately, he backs me = when I refuse to allow brides to have recorded music for their weddings! I would give anything (almost) to be in a situation in which I could = insist on nothing but acoustical instruments - - even those that require = some electrical assistance to produce the sound (such as blowers and = combination actions and heating elements). But that would be a far = stretch for the parish I work for. So I am happy that Father lets me keep = our Rodgers 220-II in good repair so we don't compete with the 800K it = took to build an educational facility, the 100K we have to spend as we = speak to replace the air conditioning and the 30K we are about to spend = repairing our fellowship hall. All things must be kept in perspective. I LOVE the sound and feel of fine = mechanical-action pipe organ and the beauty of a good 7-foot grand piano. = But neither would be tenable in our worship space (a half-round building = about 12 pews deep and low ceiling - - ugh!). Well, maybe a small pipe = organ like the one Pieter Visser put in at St. Pius many years ago - - = still one of my favorites to play! (personal note to Pieter - - I really = wish we had the money to commission a pipe organ like the one I = mentioned!) FWIW from the land of the smog people (anyone remember that really cheesy = movie from the late fifties or early sixties?) Richard   "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi   I agree in essence with this view - I would always use live music in worship, even if the technical ability of the players is limited, but I would not rule out MIDI and pre-recorded material in some contexts. At my previous church, I used MIDI files regularly to accompany the choir (more accurately, a singing group). They needed a conductor - and certainly performed more confidently if I conducted - but conducting and playing was =   not feasible. We had no other competent musicians, and also, MIDI meant that I could use instrumental sounds and ensembles that we could not have accessed live. I also occasionally use pre-recorded music as a background to meditation/prayer - by no means all the time - or as part of on-screen presentations. Recorded music (because the tempo is fixed) can also be = good for liturgical dance.   I think we need to be pragmatic about this issue. God is primarily interested in the attitude of heart of the worshippers, not the content = and means of worship.   Every Blessing   Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: To:   Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:23 AM Subject: Re: Question on Policy     > Well, I sent this privately, but since you ask: > > Dear Linda, > > Our policy is that recorded music of any kind is inappropriate for the > celebration of the liturgy. Worship is and must be a "live" event, with > all the > musicians participating. The use of prerecorded music is inconsistent > with > authentic worship. Prerecorded music would seem to me to degenerate the > musical sacrifice of praise to some kind of lip-sync performance. We are =   > called to > praise God with voices and instruments, not to phone it in! Hoping this > is > of some help to you! > > Steve > > Steven Weyand Folkers > Director of Music > St. Lambert RC Church > Skokie, IL > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: > List-Digest: > List-Unsubscribe: > >     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:     --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out!
(back) Subject: music policies From: "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 06:46:58 -0700   There are places where a traditional music policy (a la AGO or AAM) works, =   and those places are lucky indeed, as it simplifies things greatly.   There are many more places in this era where music policy making is much more complicated.   My priest has expressed interest in building a worship band, and while the =   resources are not there at present, if they were - I would pursue it.   In my case I would not allow a pre-recorded accompaniment 99% of the time. = I would not be so opposed to allowing a CD recording to be played if there =   was good reason and the style was appropriate.   My number 1 concern is quality, and 2 is style. If a talented guitarist wanted to play an electric guitar or bass in my parish, I'd be much less concerned about the instrument, and more concerned about what comes out of =   it!!   Randy Terry   _________________________________________________________________ Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:54:41 -0500   I agree that the source of the power for a musical instrument isn't of primary importance. What I am most concerned with is that the player be a live and present person. The source for this concern is theological. In respect for the idea that worship is the work of the Christian people who are gathered, I want the music to be an act of worship "in spirit and in truth". If a recording is presented (for "background music" or for hymn accompaniment), it seems to me that a line has been crossed. The recording =   obviously isn't offered to please God, but to entertain those present. I would rather hear a less-skilled person present music that he has done his =   best on, than any recording (which tend to the hysterical, with repeated = key changes, blaring trumpets and booming kettle drums). Admittedly, my = exposure to such recorded "worship" music is at our community services at Thanksgiving and Good Friday, at which we Methodists are usually the only acoustic act, with a dozen other groups singing with tapes/CDs. The fact that such performances are always too loud, and often plagued with mis-starts or awkward distractions may be merely technical, but it = disturbs the flow and feeling of worship for me.   Just a sideline: If a guitar must be played "unplugged" and unamplified, = is the same true for the priest and other people who speak? Are all = amplifiers and PA speakers forbidden?   Kip in Missouri      
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:19:19 -0700   Agreed. We muddle through with what we have. If that includes two first year guitar students, a play-it-by-ear violinist and an organist/keyboardist with fat fingers (moi?) so be it.   On occasion, we have one young lady who will sing an offertory to an accompanament track (CD or Tape). We cringe and bear it. Thankfully she doesn't sing the same song more than once. She was recently asked by a member of the congregation to sing a particular song; she declined because she had done it before ... notes indicate that was March of 1998 when she was nine.   Which reminds me that I need to speak to the pastor about communion Sunday. Eight months in a row of "It Is Well With My Soul" as the closing hymn. Can we get back to "O Sacred Head, Now Wounded" please!   On 6/16/05, Paul Smith <kipsmith@getgoin.net> wrote: > I agree that the source of the power for a musical instrument isn't of > primary importance. What I am most concerned with is that the player be a > live and present person. The source for this concern is theological. In > respect for the idea that worship is the work of the Christian people who > are gathered, I want the music to be an act of worship "in spirit and in > truth". If a recording is presented (for "background music" or for hymn > accompaniment), it seems to me that a line has been crossed. The recordin= g > obviously isn't offered to please God, but to entertain those present. I > would rather hear a less-skilled person present music that he has done hi= s > best on, than any recording (which tend to the hysterical, with repeated = key > changes, blaring trumpets and booming kettle drums). Admittedly, my expos= ure > to such recorded "worship" music is at our community services at > Thanksgiving and Good Friday, at which we Methodists are usually the only > acoustic act, with a dozen other groups singing with tapes/CDs. The fact > that such performances are always too loud, and often plagued with > mis-starts or awkward distractions may be merely technical, but it distur= bs > the flow and feeling of worship for me. >=20 > Just a sideline: If a guitar must be played "unplugged" and unamplified, = is > the same true for the priest and other people who speak? Are all amplifie= rs > and PA speakers forbidden? >=20 > Kip in Missouri   --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
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g8yqegq=3D -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh = gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh afg dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc qertg[sdoingv-s9md = gin gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg = dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh dfgjasdfbg-qerihg-odsfignadf = gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe = rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e = gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh = pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh = wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n = dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo = wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[ep= ot, wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv = uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn = ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh = gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh afg dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc qertg[sdoingv-s9md = gin gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg = dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh dfgjasdfbg-qerihg-odsfignadf = gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe = rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e = gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh = pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh = wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n = dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo = wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[ep= ot, wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv = uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn = ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh = gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh afg dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc qertg[sdoingv-s9md = gin gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg = dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh dfgjasdfbg-qerihg-odsfignadf = gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe = rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e = gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh = pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh = wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n = dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo = wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr 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(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Stated with great eloquence, if I may say so.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   PS: What was the original subject about?     --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:35:20 -0400   At 11:25 AM 2005-06-16, you wrote: > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn >hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tus= oeir >hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, >faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[e= pot, >wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv = uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 >etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn = ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- >-q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D >-98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhn= spbsdfb > >wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh >gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd     Tuba Magna,   What is this? I'm getting strange visions in my mind looking at this.   Anyone else getting the same sensation?   Arie V