PipeChat Digest #5410 - Thursday, June 16, 2005
 
SCREENS
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: screens
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
SCREENS?
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: screens
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Pre-recorded Music
  by "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re:Screens
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
fou, five, six, seven letters!
  by "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com>
Re: screens
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: music policies
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: SCREENS
  by "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com>
Re: SCREENS
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: SCREENS From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:44:49 -0500   >fact of life...... >contemptible service must have screens.... =20 >SO----- =20 >i use screens for anthems and hymn words at traditional services.=20 =20 >Sunday, i am playing JB's With Joy I await the lovely summertime =20 >screen person going and getting appropriate pics and scenes and adding words=20 >of chorale.=20 =20 >we are making sure that it is used for good as well as evil. =20   I can see the screens being used this way. However, I still wonder if they're more distracting than anything?   We live in a generation of people who are increasingly tied to the TV SCREEN, Computer SCREEN, and heaven knows what other SCREENs on palm pilots, cellphones, gadgets, and etc. I find it insulting to sit in a worship service and find myself bombarded with yet another screen. =20   I don't care to see pictures of waterfalls and flowers during scripture readings, and I think we should encourage greater music literacy in congregations than to expect them to be able to sing from a text with no music projected upon a screen. =20   I do think they distract and detract far more than any good that could be lent. =20   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:49:15 -0500   I second Mr Magna's thoughts here completely. Just what I was about to say =   about screens!! 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wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh =   > gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd > gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd > q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh > afg > dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc = qertg[sdoingv-s9md > gin > gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg =   > dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh > dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh > dfgjasdfbg-qerihg-odsfignadf > gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg > afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba = dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 > ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df > pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe > rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor > sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e > gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar > gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc > gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh > pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw > ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg > regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh > wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn > vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga > = ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n > dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg > g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do > gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo > wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg > [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > = hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir > hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, > = faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[ep= ot, > wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv > uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 > etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn > ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- > -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D > = -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb > wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh =   > gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd > gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd > q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh > afg > dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc = qertg[sdoingv-s9md > gin > gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg =   > dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh > dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh = dfgjasd > fbg-qerihg-odsfignadf > gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg > afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba = dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 > ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df > pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe > rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor > sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e > gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar > gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc > gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh > pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw > ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg > regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh > wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn > vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga > = ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n > dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg > g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do > gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo > wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg [og > a[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > = hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir > hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, > = faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[ep= ot, > wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv > uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 > etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn > ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- > -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D > = -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb > wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh =   > gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd > gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd > q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh > afg > dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc = qertg[sdoingv-s9md > gin > gvwd-fgijn-e9gnsd-fgn-9irng-9wtnhsdfhg a-dfgoin-doign-sdfghns-d9fugnsdfg =   > dfg[-dfgjn=3Ds-oidfgn-i9tngmxz dofnh > dfg-=3Dfgojid-098ghdf gdagmdz-0y8h-e867234-09t6ery dfg sfdb -dfgh > dfgjasdfbg-qerihg-odsfignadf > gadfg-oh-t98hq,w-9rtmhdq-9erht9-82354h6m-s98dgnpdosfgna-dfg > afgh-zsfidgh,vm-9dng-9adgnad-9gba-d9fugba = dfgs-dfgoihqw-e9rgn-,9dfnh-vwm9 > ubg-9eubg,-9afng-m9n-9eq859he-mf8j-a9subg,a-dfg a[odfg8jn9a-df > pogho[tq[urtqwriqw][pri]qw[por]qw[peroq][wperoqwe > rq]w[prqowe[]prqweor][qpwoer][qpweor][pqweor > sdjh[hjg hs[iu[dh 9vpu8 =3D09gu,=3D09by =3D08y-isuhmf1340d=3D 9e > gpouitghc-rmogh-fug,e9-ugar > gfp[ghe-m9tf8werh-9m8yvdfsgsadf gsdfgh[sfghu=3Dv0962=3D09e5=3Dshskdghshc > gsfxd[oihjwe-to,sdf-ogh > pogihdf[ighd[ioghyt2iyw9e8usdfilghs-d09fund09g,bns0difu,bn0ughw > ghwd[ioyjdwe-,98yh-9enhw-d9ugn,mwe9g df-gunewq-9rmdb-9ergnd-,q9reg > regw-tervnw-9rinw-,9einm-vwrvh > wfhw-ijh-ovihj[fgpoiyuf-d[9uyu560-9dt8yhdsfghspo[dinodifn > vfdg adfh[pdifhy[r9h,x=3D[aifdhg[dfioga > = ga[dfoihyw=3D[d,yjsdiohyxdfoihui213457609768730-956834598673405968340956n > dfgoisfhdgposidng [d[foghd[figh fdo[gvh fg > g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do > gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo > wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg > [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > = hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir > hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, > = faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[ep= ot, > wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv > uhpzhoitywpe509eut90 > etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn > ghdfgghq3948y-98ey- > -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D > = -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkhns= pbsdfb > wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh =   > gwerpotiugw-b0gjwqnmvgunfe-9gmcafsd > gwgvjns-doighsch wepfgiscdfn-iauenfbg-uidfng-mcrg-nca,fgzd > q0rt8hq-er9tg-iga[oigjaigha[oifsgja gafdg=3Dfdgad = fgafg[-9afm[sdcoifgn[dgcmh > afg > dfgadf[oighaerp9gtnme[r9gnsd[fokgin[-oerht-q9eryn vsbc = 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(back) Subject: SCREENS? From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:53:04 -0500   Perhaps he means it's time to change the subject line from "SCREENS" to "POWERPOINT" if that's really what's being discussed!   =20   Subject: Re: screens   From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>   Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT)   =20   Hello,   =20   Stated with great eloquence, if I may say so.   =20   Regards,   =20   Colin Mitchell UK   =20   PS: What was the original subject about?   =20   =20   --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   =20   > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn   >   hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9t usoeir   =20   =20   __________   =20   Timothy Daniel Hancock, Intern Architect   =20   Butler, Rosenbury, & Partners   319 North Main Street, Suite 200   Springfield, Missouri 65806   =20   417.521.6148 or dhancock@brpae.com   =20   www.brpae.com <http://www.brpae.com/>=20   =20   =20  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:55:27 EDT   I'm certainly glad you got that off your chest. In a message dated 6/16/2005 11:26:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]     (BIG SNIP)   g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith bdoign[do gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo = wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w            
(back) Subject: Pre-recorded Music From: "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:12:56 -0700 (PDT)     A church parishioner once asked me. "What is your policy on pre-recorded = music?" O responded, "I don't allow it because musicians that are paid by = the church are more than qualified to learn anything that is on a CD."   Then he responded, "Then why do you use a digital organ? Isn't that = pre-recorded pipes?" I responded, "Because the church is cheap!"         Scott Montgomery 1820 Scottsdale Dr. Champaign, IL 61821 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net    
(back) Subject: Re:Screens From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:13:59 EDT   I just thought that Sebastian was typing in "tongues." LOL Having been a Pentecostal at an earlier point in my life, I am entitled to =   joke about such things.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: fou, five, six, seven letters! From: "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 09:27:02 -0700   Hum...mostly four letter words here, methinks!   I get the point.   Randy   >From: TubaMagna@aol.com > > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn >hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tus= oeir >hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh,   _________________________________________________________________ Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:12:51 -0700   And these would be _YOUR_ feelings about projecting powerpoint on a big scr= een?   On 6/16/05, TubaMagna@aol.com <TubaMagna@aol.com> wrote: > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tu= soeir > hj'pojr[o8geyt[awej;lifgh, > faospdjroirt[9we5ugejfgaposdgh[gut]pw4utg[0ertuam]eporktsa[penrtjs[drtnu[= epot, > wert-we98h-er98ty3-986y-986hy8bge-89ty-8tqjf[idfhgzvxchv uhpzhoitywpe509e= ut90 > etu[osidth[poifgjh[odt[ofj]dpofgno[difgjh[dofingh[odifn ghdfgghq3948y-98e= y- > -q8ytf-89ygbq=3Dwtuqe8 g8yqegq=3D > -98rt-8et-bwn8th-wqoeifh-aifjdj[ojqrt8176235492387563450986udtfpohjdfglkh= nspbsdfb > wepkurthgwetihwegmhsdfpuoighfdpgiusfhdgisfdhgpoinhfdoighe[tvhwmeoins dfh= =20   <snipety doo da, snipety ey> --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:18:09 +0100   Hi Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 3:54 PM Subject: Re: music policies     >I agree that the source of the power for a musical instrument isn't of >primary importance. What I am most concerned with is that the player be a =   >live and present person. The source for this concern is theological. In >respect for the idea that worship is the work of the Christian people who =   >are gathered, I want the music to be an act of worship "in spirit and in >truth". If a recording is presented (for "background music" or for hymn >accompaniment), it seems to me that a line has been crossed. The = recording >obviously isn't offered to please God, but to entertain those present.   This is NOT necessarily true. I have prepared recordings and MIDI files specifically for use in worship, and the aim was not entertainment. It is =   perfectly possible to "offer a recording" as an act of worship - and I = fail to see why, if used in a relevant way and approproiate in context, that = God should reject such an act of worship.   I > would rather hear a less-skilled person present music that he has done = his > best on,   In general, yes, I agree.   than any recording (which tend to the hysterical, with repeated key > changes, blaring trumpets and booming kettle drums).   A gross mis-representation, if I may say so. You may not appreciate the style - that doesn't make it wrong.   Admittedly, my exposure > to such recorded "worship" music is at our community services at > Thanksgiving and Good Friday, at which we Methodists are usually the = only > acoustic act, with a dozen other groups singing with tapes/CDs. The fact =   > that such performances are always too loud, and often plagued with > mis-starts or awkward distractions may be merely technical, but it > disturbs the flow and feeling of worship for me.   That's down more to lack of preparation/rehearsal - which I too would find =   unacceptable. > > Just a sideline: If a guitar must be played "unplugged" and unamplified, =   > is the same true for the priest and other people who speak? Are all > amplifiers and PA speakers forbidden? > > Kip in Missouri   Every Blessing   Tony    
(back) Subject: Re: SCREENS From: "Rev. Tony Newnham" <organist.tony@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:23:13 +0100   Hi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:44 PM Subject: SCREENS     <SNIP> I do think they distract and detract far more than any good that could be lent.   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri   My congregation (predominantly older folk) would most definitely not agree =   with you.   However, like everything else in worship, visual presentations must be = done well - and images not just used for their own sake. I do not use pictures =   during scripture readings - I have a simple slide - either an open Bible, = or candles (a static image) with the Bible reference and page no. in our pew Bibles.   Also, I rarely use background pictures in songs - they can very easily distract from the words, and if not very carefully chosen, actually make = it difficult to read the text, which rather defeats the object!   Incidentally, I find the default settings in PowerPoint to be less than useful for large screen projection.   Every Blessing   Tony (at one time an Audio-Visual Technician)    
(back) Subject: Re: SCREENS From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:23:36 -0700   The screen in our facility would come down right in front of the pastor. That could be useful, but the switch for the motor is mounted on the ceiling; 12' up. (Why? I don't know.) So we need an elder or deacon with a long broom handle to stand next to the pastor when his sermon runs long. I think the old shepherd's crook from the sidelines of vaudeville works much better. :-)       On 6/16/05, Daniel Hancock <dhancock@brpae.com> wrote: > >fact of life...... > >contemptible service must have screens.... >=20 > >SO----- >=20 > >i use screens for anthems and hymn words at traditional services. >=20 > >Sunday, i am playing JB's With Joy I await the lovely summertime >=20 > >screen person going and getting appropriate pics and scenes and adding > words > >of chorale.   Isn't the point of worship to be focused on God, not an Ansel Adams print or Joe-Bob's latest unreadable font downloaded from www.fonts-r-us.com? Guaranteed some old German black letter block font.   > >we are making sure that it is used for good as well as evil. >=20 > I can see the screens being used this way. However, I still wonder if > they're more distracting than anything? >=20 > We live in a generation of people who are increasingly tied to the TV > SCREEN, Computer SCREEN, and heaven knows what other SCREENs on palm > pilots, cellphones, gadgets, and etc. I find it insulting to sit in a > worship service and find myself bombarded with yet another screen. >=20 > I don't care to see pictures of waterfalls and flowers during scripture > readings, and I think we should encourage greater music literacy in > congregations than to expect them to be able to sing from a text with no > music projected upon a screen. >=20 > I do think they distract and detract far more than any good that could > be lent. >=20 > Daniel Hancock > Springfield, Missouri   --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com