PipeChat Digest #5411 - Thursday, June 16, 2005
 
Re: music policies
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: SCREENS
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: screens
  by "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Pre-recorded Music
  by "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com>
RE: Pre-recorded Music
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: screens
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Screens
  by <Devon3000@aol.com>
RE: Pre-recorded Music
  by "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com>
Zimbelstern
  by "Philip A. Spressart" <pipeorganbuilder@comcast.net>
RE: Zimbelstern
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
Re: Zimbelstern
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:28:00 -0500   Friends,   While I, too, would prefer music to be provided by a live person who is present at the time and place, I'm unwilling to go as far as Paul Smith, when he wrote, in part   > In respect for the idea that worship is the work of the Christian > people who are gathered, I want the music to be an act of worship "in > spirit and in truth". If a recording is presented (for "background > music" or for hymn accompaniment), it seems to me that a line has been > crossed. The recording obviously isn't offered to please God, but to > entertain those present.   for several reasons.   First, I'm uncomfortable with any human assuming the pregative of judging the reason another human has done something, which principle is violated by the unqualified assertion that a recording presented is presented as entertainment, rather than for the sake of pleasing God. Now, I might be more willing to accept the assertion of a goal of entertainment in the event that the person who provides, and plays the recording, says that the entertainment of the crowd is the end goal of playing the recording, but if the person who provides and plays the recording claims to do so as a means of making an offering to God, it is not my place to impede him from making the offering, though I can certainly choose to let that person make his or her own, and go find myself somewhere else to make mine.   Second, how is playing the recording inherently and automatically different from an organist's playing? One might argue that a recording played by someone who uses a recording in the context of a congregational offering of praise and thanksgiving is more admirable than the live organist who selects an offertory, or a free accompaniment of a hymn, with the goal of "entertaining the congregation".   Third, whatever the person who plays (whether the organist, or the person activating the playback device) thinks they may be doing, theirs is not the sole determinant of the of the result. One Sunday morning, I left at home, on the piano, the book that contained the music I planned to use as an offertory, and didn't happen to find anything else before the time of the offertory that I thought I wanted to play, so I opened the hymnal, briefly considered, and dismissed a couple of hymn tunes, and found a third hymn tune, upon which I "noodled around a bit" (I didn't then--and as far as that goes, don't now--have the necessary skills to consider my efforts "improvisation".). After the service, an older lady, not a member of the congregation, approached me as I was leaving to thank me for the offertory--the only item that Sunday upon which any member of the congregation made any comment whatsoever! She related that her husband had died in combat in Korea on their first anniversary, that this was a tune which they had both selected to have at their wedding, and that as a result of my offertory, she felt a comfort she had not felt in years.   Lastly, why do we dismiss as not worth consideration, the notion of "entertaining" the congregation present? I seem to recall that on an occasion when a group was congregated in the presence of Jesus, and were disquieted by hunger, Jesus did not respond by exhorting them to offering patience, but rather fed them. Is this not a sufficient reason for us, as church musicians, at times, to serve God, by serving the needs of his people?   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: SCREENS From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:15:06 -0400   The screen in the church where I work is motorized, comes up from inside a = white box behind the table. It's used for projecting words for at least one of = the early services and for projecting powerpoint announcements between services.   --Shirley Upper Dublin Ev. Lutheran Church Ambler, PA    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:40:56 -0700 (PDT)   Greetings!   It would appear to me that the message below has been sent in a special code... Would someone tell me what encoding it has been sent in? 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(back) Subject: Re: Pre-recorded Music From: "Bernadette Wagner" <musicalgrl90@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:08:40 -0700 (PDT)   Oh, geez, was that my dad? lol. Isn't it not "correct" to use = pre-recorded music in the church? That's what I heard.   Scott A Montgomery <montre1978@yahoo.com> wrote: A church parishioner once asked me. "What is your policy on pre-recorded = music?" O responded, "I don't allow it because musicians that are paid by = the church are more than qualified to learn anything that is on a CD."   Then he responded, "Then why do you use a digital organ? Isn't that = pre-recorded pipes?" I responded, "Because the church is cheap!"         Scott Montgomery 1820 Scottsdale Dr. Champaign, IL 61821 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:       --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
(back) Subject: RE: Pre-recorded Music From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:40:58 -0400   I would object to pre-recorded music for *listening* in the liturgy, and if I were in a position of authority would do what I could to prohibit it.=20   However, if the recording is used in an ensemble (to accompany or combine with live music) I would not object to it in principle. The reason is simply that electronic sounds have had a place in art music for over half a century now; so you certainly can't categorically dismiss it on artistic grounds. And that being the case, I think that it is no less precarious to concoct some sort of arbitrary objection on liturgical grounds. This would smack of the head-in-sand negativism that made Pius X's Motu Proprio a laughing stock (when it banished most orchestral instruments from the church). This was very unfortunate because I happen to think that church music would be better off today if the encouragements and positive exhortations in this encyclical had been more conscientiously observed; but the ridiculous, narrow aspects of it alienated good musicians and gave lazy people an excuse to forget about the whole thing.   If you are not allowed to use a recording, then you are not allowed to play music like "Prelude for organ and tape" by Stewart, to take just one eloquent example. What a shameful and foolish impoverishment! There must be a few equally compelling examples of choral music that use pre-recorded electronics, too.   Anyone must hasten to say that most actual examples of this genre are the most abject schlock. I've seen thoroughly commercial packages for junior choir, for instance, that call for more costuming and stage directions than singing from the group. They're skits rather than anthems. And packages of recorded hymn playing should be considered an absolute last resort. But these fall by ordinary criteria. The fact that they are recordings does not need to be noted.  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:14:02 -0500   Hey, Seb:   We've heard that song before, ...called "The Sounds of Silence." Came out in the 1960's.   > tpwerthpwerthpfghdfgpogpsdhgpoidrthoidfhgodrtn > = hoidrthoirthoihfg;lkdnfg;lkzcxnpiodytertu-096wtghdlknzxc;kjvhgoitua[we9tuso= eir   * * *   > g[erot[ rg[yt[dfilhgpoiwehf[oiwerhyqcg q[eoityhqe[roith > bdoign[do > gcqr[ethq[eorigbqe[o q[erit[werih[doihw[oeryo > wgsfoighsd[98-98erhtdfghdfoig sdogdfoihq[osg > [oga[doighdsao[pht[oqiwr ht[we99-0w   ....but, of course, no sounds come off the screens, do they???   F. Richard Burt     ..      
(back) Subject: Re: Screens From: <Devon3000@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:30:00 EDT   Hi all,   At the church I play, it's called the "worship window". We were told it wouldn't be used in traditional services except at special occasions. Now = it's used every week. Last Sunday, it had a repeating mpeg of a cross with = waving cloths. You could tell when the sequence repeated, and it was very = distracting throughout the service, especially during the sermon.   Devon Hollingsworth, in DeKalb, Illinois  
(back) Subject: RE: Pre-recorded Music From: "Randy Terry" <randy_terry@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:49:57 -0700   WhoopTeDoo! I object to anyone prohibiting the movement of the The Holy Spirit in any form. If God moves me to play a recording in church (not = that She has ever done so thus far) I am darn well gonna do it! I might personally object to said recording, but God did not promise me I would = like everything he might ask me to do in the service of his people.   RT   >From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > >I would object to pre-recorded music for *listening* in the liturgy, and >if I were in a position of authority would do what I could to prohibit >it.   _________________________________________________________________ Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/    
(back) Subject: Zimbelstern From: "Philip A. Spressart" <pipeorganbuilder@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:43:32 -0500   A very good, durable Zymbelstern with controls available for volume, = speed, and delay is Der Zimbelstern. Gary(?) Foxe, out of Sussex, WI, builds = them.     Philip A. Spressart   Organ Tuner and Technician   pipeorganbuilder@comcast.net        
(back) Subject: RE: Zimbelstern From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:05:08 -0500   Actually, Gary Foxe is "in" Sussex, WI.   Michael     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Philip A. Spressart Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:44 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Zimbelstern   A very good, durable Zymbelstern with controls available for volume, = speed, and delay is Der Zimbelstern. Gary(?) Foxe, out of Sussex, WI, builds = them.      
(back) Subject: Re: Zimbelstern From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:09:22 -0500   Nope, it actually works either way, according to my English teacher.   NFRussotto           --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/