PipeChat Digest #5413 - Friday, June 17, 2005
 
Re: Precorded Music
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Re: screens
  by "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl>
Re: music policies
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: J M Bach
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
RE: Policy
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: music policies
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
PLEASE READ Fwd: PLEASE TRIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
My heavens . . . .
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
IRC Tonight
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: J M Bach
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: screens
  by "Millie & David Kenney" <kenn411@bellsouth.net>
July 3 music
  by <Steskinner@aol.com>
Re: screens
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Policy
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: music policies
  by "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
PipeChat's flow of "garbage"
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Garbage
  by "Thomas Dressler" <rgtd@ptdprolog.net>
Swiftly standing still
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
PowerPoint and the ubiquitous screen
  by "Paul Kealy" <imkealy@yahoo.com>
RE: Pre-recorded Music
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Precorded Music From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:16:53 -0400   From Kip Smith: "But my point was not that 'electronic sounds' were to be forbidden in worship, but that -recorded- music was not suitable. And my reasons were not "artistic", much as I want to have music in my worship to =   be tasteful and correct! My thinking was theological: that worship is what =   happens when Christian/saved/converted people come together. bringing all our gifts and needs and love. The emphasis is on people doing our best for =   God, and no recording belongs in that encounter."   I'll refrain from comment on the implication that by definition worship occurs only in a gathering of people whom you term the "Christian/saved/converted." And much as I dislike recorded music in worship, I don't think it can be banned simply on the grounds of taste. = One man's meat is another's poison, as they say, and at times it may represent = a meaningful addition to worship for at least some people.   You do, however, touch on what I think might be a valid (to me, that is!) argument against recorded performance, which is that by its very nature it =   does not involve an individual actively offering an artistic performance = as an act of worship *right then.* In thinking this over, I guess my attitude =   is that if there's no other viable alternative, recorded accompaniment to = a live performance might be theologically appropriate.   In any case, it's an interesting subject for discussion and one most of us =   will have to confront at some time or other.    
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Maurits Lamers" <maurits@weidestraat.nl> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:27:09 +0200   Hi,   I know that, but the problem is not with Open Office... You will have no trouble opening a ppt file made with Open Office... Only if you open a file created with Microsoft Powerpoint, you may experience some misplacement of things.   The source of this problem is the way Microsoft handles the file format, because it doesn't handle it according to their own specifications. Not to be rude, but if you want compatability, create your file with Open Office. It will show correctly everywhere...   Greets   Maurits     On 16-jun-05, at 14:14, Rev. Tony Newnham wrote:   > Hi > > Warning - Open Office is NOT totally compatible with PowerPoint. I > found this out the hard way, after putting a PPT presentation > together, I opened it (on another computer) in Open Office, and it had > lost many of the animations and effects. > > If you only use Open Office, it's no problem - you can virtually > everything that PowerPoint can (although I've not tried the more > sophisticated facilities), but if you need compatibility, then > PowerPoint is still the way to go - it's virtually a de facto > standard. > > Every Blessing > > Tony > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits Lamers" > <maurits@weidestraat.nl> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: screens > > >> You can also use Open Office (to be find at www.openoffice.org) The >> program Presentation resembles power point a lot and can read and >> write powerpoint files. And... it is free and open source... >> >> greets >> >> Maurits >> >> On 15-jun-05, at 23:42, OrganMD@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Power Point is not a feature of Windows ZP, rather it is a part of >>> Microsoft >>> Office. >>> >>> ****************************************************************** >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related >>> topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >>> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >>> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >>> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >> > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 04:33:26 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Could we please drop the tedious subjects of "screens," "music policies" and "pre-recorded music"?   It has absolutely nothing to do with this list, and possibly hasn't got much to do with the real world, religion, politics or the cost of apples in the superstores.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: J M Bach From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:56:30 -0500   Why don't you tell us a bit about him. Don't be shy. :-)   According to Henderson, there are two JM Bachs. The one we generally think of (1648-1694) wrote numerous chorale preludes.   Bob Lind (thinking no one has replied to Colin's e-mail)   ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: J M Bach     > Anyway...I've just discovered music by J M Bach which > is rather lovely. > > What does anyone know about him? > > Regards, > > Colin MItchell UK    
(back) Subject: RE: Policy From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:57:49 -0400   My comment was it has to get it's power someplace, maybe not by your standard 110v 2 or 3 prong plug, but possibly from being wired directly to = a power source to crank up the blower and possibly the rectifiers to provide the ppower for magnets (unless it's a tracker). It seems a little absurd = to not allow an instrument that 'plugs in' to be used, what about the instrument (hypothetically) that is all pipe, has a Uniflex 2000 relay (computer controlled) or Peterson relay, midi playback/record = capabilities, multiple levels of combinations all controlled from a new console. The console would probably 'plug in' to control a series of low-voltage relays that start everything up. From your initial post that instrument wouldn't be allowed because it plugs in. What if you added a couple of 32' extensions to the pedals (or is the church so wealthy and not jammed for space as to have room for those monsters) would Walker digital not be allowed? If I remember correctly even the APOBA allows digital electronic 32' stops in their members instruments. I'm talking about a hybrid with = 40 ranks of pipes and 2000 ranks of digital, I'm speaking of just 12 notes on the bottom octave in the pedals...   I just find the blamket statement, if it plugs into the wall it isn't allowed to be just too confining.   Tom Hoehn, Organist CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS First United Methodist Church of Clearwater 4/9? Wicks/Ruffatti/Rodgers Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes (substitute) 4/42 Wurlitzer   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Justinhartz@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:44 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Policy     Dear Tom Please read my post again. The pipe organ does not plug into the wall. The piano Damp Chaser does not produce sound.   Justin   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:04:32 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:34:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes:   It has absolutely nothing to do with this list, and possibly hasn't got much to do with the real world,       while i am for moving on ---- it does indeed impinge on life. so, to the USA people, any one getting to do church music on the 3rd of July? mine wants ALL patriotic including God Bless America as the Benediction response....!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ Fwd: PLEASE TRIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:15:16 -0500   Folks   The following is from one of your fellow members on the list who receives it in Digest Format. And I wholeheartedly agree with what this member wrote. When you are replying to a message PLEASE edit out the unnecessary stuff.   David     >IMHO it is again time (maybe WEEKLY) to remind members to TRIM THEIR = QUOTES! >How many copies of Seb's garbage do we need in the digest? I have = received >about 5 digests with about 5 real messages. > >VERY INCONSIDERATE!! > >Thanks!     -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: My heavens . . . . From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:18:37 -0500   Where is Malcolm (with his erudite reviews) and Sebastian (with his witty tongue hanging out of mouth quips) when one needs scintillating conversation on the list?   But ya'll wait until I get back Monday night or Tuesday to do anything memorable. Get the range wars and the full-moon duels out of the way while I'm gone.   Off to see rear galleries in Hotlanta tomorrow (and it has been hot down here),   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   [Best Southern drawl] "Oh, sir! I'm just SO afraid of those big organs, with all those little buttons!"          
(back) Subject: IRC Tonight From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:32:43 -0500   Just a reminder that we will be on the IRC server tonight as we are every Monday and Friday night beginning at 9:00 PM EASTERN time. If you need instructions on how to join us please go to http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   It seems that at least one person, maybe more, has been having problems with joining in on the on-line chat sessions. If you have had any problems connecting with us on IRC please let me know. I would prefer that you use my "personal" address <david@blackiris.com>. I do monitor that address during the IRC sessions and if you are having problems I need to know.   Thanks   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: J M Bach From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:36:04 -0500   I think there are one or two of his chorale preludes in the Keller, "80 Chorale Preludes" book, although I don't have it immediately to hand at present.   Johann Michael Bach (1648-1694) was the brother of Johann Christoph Bach, and thus the first cousin of J. S. Bach's father.   John Speller   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:56 AM Subject: Re: J M Bach     > Why don't you tell us a bit about him. Don't be shy. :-) > > According to Henderson, there are two JM Bachs. The one we generally = think > of (1648-1694) wrote numerous chorale preludes.      
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Millie & David Kenney" <kenn411@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 7:37:38 -0400   Dear Pipe Chat Listers:   Pardon me if I have missed something. . .what do "screens" (in the subject = line) and comments about "Open Office" and "Microsoft Powerpoint" have to = do with organs, organ music, and organists?   Are we just off-topic, or has someone posted a message to the wrong list?   Thanks,   David Kenney    
(back) Subject: July 3 music From: <Steskinner@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:07:26 EDT   In a message dated 6/17/2005 8:05:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Keys4bach@aol.com writes: any one getting to do church music on the 3rd of July? mine wants ALL patriotic including God Bless America as the Benediction response....!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are. Several prayers to God thankful for and praying for our country = (My Country 'Tis of Thee, America the Beautiful), A brass and organ prelude on = a hymn observing the heritage of God's hand and thanking God for continued leading (God of Our Fathers) and a hymn of supplication for our people on = sea, land and in the air (Eternal Father, Strong to Save).     Steven Skinner Minister of Music First Presbyterian Church of the Covenant Erie, PA  
(back) Subject: Re: screens From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:08:08 -0500   I was hoping that this topic would die out but it doesn't seem to be happening. I realize that the discussion of music policies can be important to some people but I think we have gone a bit too far with it on this list. There are other lists where it is more appropriate. And the discussion of Microsoft Powerpoint and other related software is way off topic for this list.   Can we move on to topics more related to the purposes of the list.   Thanks   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Policy From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:30:54 -0400   Of course the pipe organ plugs into the wall. Whether yours has a conventional 110V plug, or a 220V twist-lock, or is hard wired into a breaker panel, or a row of windmills up on the hill is completely irrelevant. A speaker's cone is a soundboard. If the music is performed in real time by an human pushing the keys down with her or his fingers, what's the difference? If I provide a lively rhythm accompaniment by beating a trash can with a plugged-in Damp Chaser, it is still music created in and for the moment. This battle should be between us musicians and the tech-monkeys in the sound booth over who makes the music - not between ourselves over our choice of instruments.   Peace out. - WG   >Dear Tom >Please read my post again. >The pipe organ does not plug into the wall. >The piano Damp Chaser does not produce sound. > >Justin > >      
(back) Subject: Re: music policies From: "M. W. Belcher" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT)       --- Keys4bach@aol.com wrote:   > > In a message dated 6/17/2005 7:34:08 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > It has absolutely nothing to do with this list, and > possibly hasn't got much to do with the real world, > > > > while i am for moving on ---- it does indeed impinge > on life. > > so, > > to the USA people, > > any one getting to do church music on the 3rd of > July? mine wants ALL > patriotic including God Bless America as the > Benediction > response....!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > dale in Florida > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Greetings!     I have submitted, and it seems received approval for the following July 3, 2005 Hymns:   Opening Hymn: God Of Our Fathers   Gradual Hymn: Now Thank We All Our God   Congregational Offertory Hymn: My Country 'Tis Of Thee   Closing Hymn: America the Beautiful     We have a number of civil servants (including those who work for the Department of Defense) in our area...     So when I sub on the Sunday nearest July 4 (like I will be this year) I always request a few hymns of a patriotic nature... usually the Rector at the Episcopal church I attend and will be subbing for on July 3 approves...   Best wishes to all...     Morton Belcher     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: PipeChat's flow of "garbage" From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:57:52 EDT   Well, well, well. Maybe we've finally learned something. There is no reason of any kind to reply to this message. We don't want to use up bandwidth.   Despite the best efforts of members and moderators, this list continues to =   commit the same offenses over, and over, and over, ad infinitum, year = after year.   .. We don't need to see an entire posting repeated in order to respond to = it. If somebody is interested by the subject heading, they have not deleted = it, and they have read it.   .. "Me, too" responses are pointless, unless the respondent has something = to add, or it is a "me, too" with qualifications, clarifications, or modifications, or the like. EVEN THEN, there is no need to repeat anything = other than the pertinent sentence(s).   .. If somebody has HTML junk (or "garbage") in their message, others (or = all) have seen it. The ONLY person who needs to be told is the sender, in a PRIVATE email. They will probably quickly tire of the private messages.   .. "PipeChat Digest #30984567309456709345760 is NOT A SUBJECT HEADING, AND =   NEVER WILL BE. If you have the will, the interest, and the ability to send = a response, take a few hours, days, or weeks to come up with a subject = heading that applies -- maybe even the one that CAME with the posting.   .. One of the most enraging practices to rear its ugly head is the = refusal to change subject lines, even when the subject is an unrecognizable and pointless mutation of the original subject. I detest opening a posting = that reads, "Shallot building techniques of Cornelius Rhaneus in the 1690s," only to = find a "me, too" posting about how a crazy lady brought sixty cats to church on = the Feast of the Unwarranted Assumption.   Garbage in, garbage out, as the saying goes. It's worse when there is a = huge garbage distribution system that gets abused.  
(back) Subject: Garbage From: "Thomas Dressler" <rgtd@ptdprolog.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:20:29 -0400   >>How many copies of Seb's garbage do we need in the digest?   I have not been closely following threads lately, so I don't know the context of this statement. But I have read lots of posts by Seb and I find =   this hard to believe.   I agree with the need to trim quotes, but to insert a slap like this in = the middle of a reasonable request is much MORE offensive to me than the long quotes. I have had some very strong disagreements with people on the organ =   lists, and no matter how much I might disrespect their reasoning, I would try not to make such an infantile remark. If there is anything that should =   be banished from the lists, it is this completely disrespectful way of writing about one another.   It should be a statement of the obvious that Seb's writing is not garbage. =   Perhaps those who have a strong devotion to their art will provoke strong reactions in others, but the answer is to THINK and see if you have a logical argument to present. If you don't, perhaps it would be helpful to look inside yourself and see why you feel it necessary to try to demean = them or hurt them emotionally. This should not be acceptable behavior.   Thomas Dressler   http://www.thomasdressler.com    
(back) Subject: Swiftly standing still From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:36:41 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   My sojourn among the electronic archives of the Czech Republic (and by default, Slovakia) is foundering slightly. It's not due to a lack of information.....quite the contrary....it is because of a MASS of information.   However, when the subject is "organs, organists and organ composers," the Czechs do not appear to have the same way of thinking as normal people. They do not appear to have "lists" of organs, or anything related to them; with a few notable exceptions.   Whereas Poland and Huganry proved relatively straightforward, the Czech ways seem a little perverse, if not downright obtruse.   So I have changed tac.....I shall "attack" the subject rather differently from that initially planned, and try to understand things from a wider musical perspective; rather than trot out a "time-line" of organ related events since the time when God was but a boy.   So whilst I may appear to be standing still, I am swiftly gathering all the information together. Quite how I will present it is another matter, for if nothing else, the Czechs are COMPLETE musicians who do not appear to have niche interests and specific areas of activity, by and large.   All that stated, I have to say, that for a relatively small country, the output of new music in the Czech Republic (and Slovakia)is staggering, and much of it has been written for organ.....I really had no idea just HOW much, beyond the works of Petr Eben. (It is also quality stuff, judging by what I have heard thus far).   So, for the moment, everything is on hold regarding the Czech organ-scene, until I have clarified my thoughts and gathered the information together.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: PowerPoint and the ubiquitous screen From: "Paul Kealy" <imkealy@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:53:04 -0700 (PDT)   For a balanced report of the potential of projected images and text in worship, Creator Magazine has posted my entire article VIRTUAL BULLETIN for you to read:   www.creatormagazine.com/articles/default.asp?level=3D3&selid=3D1&artid=3D12= 7&arttopicid=3D237   As we anticipate the use of PowerPoint in the worship service, we consider its role as more important than merely a hymnal replacement=96it can become a virtual electronic bulletin, enhancing the true meaning of worship in a way that printed handouts cannot accomplish.   Here=92s what I mean: That little folded bulletin that the secretary types up each week tells us a lot about the service. The structure of worship services are not designed to confuse and baffle people, but sometimes confusion can be the result, especially for a first-time visitor.   Some services read portions from a red hymnal with a sprinkling of written litanies in the bulletin, in addition to a blue prayer book that contains some basic prayers and responsive readings that are extremely difficult to follow.   In condensing the general service readings, some publishers of liturgical books place seasonal readings on one half of the page and non-seasonal readings on an adjacent column. Somehow, you are supposed to know which column everyone else is reading from, or you=92re sure to blurt out the wrong word. Oops!   And we wonder why church attendance is declining? Perhaps the process of worship just isn=92t worth the effort for new attenders.   Imagine a person who has trouble balancing the TV Guide and punching a remote control at the same time in the privacy of their own living room. Now imagine that person attending such a service:   This person must keep track of the bulletin sequence in one hand, while in the other hand, flipping thru the hymnbook to find the proper songs by the time the organist has finished the introductions and then pop over on cue to read from the proper page in the proper volume of liturgies and responses, and still be ready to locate the responsive readings on the back of the green bulletin insert before everyone else has finished reading it. Whew!   Can you think of a way to flow some of the above in a seamless, stressless segue? I can ... It=92s called Presentation software.   Presentation software can help, if by no other means than putting the various elements in the order of service on screen at appropriate times. Why become totally frustrated in services that make demands on agility and dexterity that are difficult to maintain?   By the time the proverbial spiritual TAB A is inserted into SLOT B, the component parts of worship can dim the flame of a true worship experience to a mere flicker.   Sometimes we would have gladly welcomed a virtual electronic bulletin order of service! Just imagine ... both hands free to seek and find the music and liturgy that was lost!   Years ago, before the advent of the mimeograph machine, churches would hang a special board up at the front of the church with moveable letters and numbers, listing a the hymns and readings, perhaps the attendance and offering amounts of the previous week and a year ago.   At some point the printed bulletin appeared and became accepted as a feature of the worship service. I wasn=92t around then, but perhaps people fussed about that new way of doing things.   Before throwing out the baby with the proverbial bathwater, download this article for some clues to enhance worship with that ubiquitous screen.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Paul E. Kealy www.MediaExcellence.com +++++++++++++++++++++++++++  
(back) Subject: RE: Pre-recorded Music From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:01:39 -0400   > But my point was not that "electronic sounds" were to be forbidden in worship, but that -recorded- music was not suitable. And my reasons were not "artistic", much as I want to have music in my worship to be tasteful and correct!   But many electronic sounds are available only in recorded form. So if you are altogether prohibiting recordings, then you are in effect prohibiting certain electronic accompaniments. Do you mean to do this or not?   > My thinking was theological: that worship is what happens when Christian/saved/converted people come together. bringing all our gifts and needs and love.   I agree entirely. But if the recording is an accompaniment (rather than, as I said before, "for listening"), or part of an accompaniment, then we still have the live participation people that you and I insist upon.