PipeChat Digest #5195 - Friday, March 4, 2005
 
Hammond Aurora
  by "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net>
RE: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life."
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life."
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Brubeck Psalm settings
  by "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu>
UCC and Chalice Hymnal  plus Hammond Aurora
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
A Get Well to all of those who are sickly
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life."
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: A Get Well to all of those who are sickly
  by <tlevans95@charter.net>
Desiree's "Get Well"
  by "Millie & David Kenney" <kenn411@bellsouth.net>
Re: UCC and Chalice Hymnal
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: WWBD
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Bloody Children's" Hymns
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Children's music
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
PipeChat IRC this evening,
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Hammond Aurora From: "Jason M. Taylor" <Jason.M.Taylor@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:37:26 -0500   The person with a Hammond for sale should check the following web site:   http://barton.theatreorgans.com/AdSearch_1.ASP?%5BType%5D=3DSell   TheatreOrgans.com lists a large number of organs and organ parts for sale; both pipe and electronic.   Jay Taylor      
(back) Subject: RE: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 06:33:41 -0600   But, Alan, any 'children's hymn' has the possibility of being patronizing. I was thinking of the piece as more a precursor to praise music, sung by all ages of people. I suggested it because of the message. To me First Communion is an outward manifestation of a commitment to a Christian life, and the song seemed to fit to me somewhat better than some of the other suggestions given.   I don't just pick genres of songs - I try to select stuff in order to attempt to fit the message of the moment. It was the best I could do at the moment.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 8:43 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC   On 3/3/05 8:08 PM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote:   > How about "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine"? This > could be improvised on in a myriad of ways. > Yes, but isn't it a bit obviously patronizing for kids over 7?   Alan     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:04:17 -0500   Depends on which tune one uses. It's in the Renewing Worship Songbook at R128. The tune they use is an African-American spiritual tune. I've seen = it used as a song for congregational singing quite effectively.   Granted the other simplistic tune is ideal for younger kids.   --Shirley       On 3 Mar 2005 at 21:43, Alan Freed expounded:   > On 3/3/05 8:08 PM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote: > > > How about "This little light of mine, I'm gonna let it shine"? This > > could be improvised on in a myriad of ways. > > > Yes, but isn't it a bit obviously patronizing for kids over 7? > > Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:25:38 -0500   On 3/3/05 10:28 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: >=20 > On Mar 3, 2005, at 9:06 PM, David Evangelides wrote: >>=20 >> Children=B9s Songs >> ... >> Are You Washed In The Blood >>=20 > ... I don't know this one. Sounds a little violent for children. >=20 > Randy Runyon >=20 Agreed. If not violent, at least excessively gruesome or macabre. Metaphorically, the image may be valid, but I don't think kids are used to dealing with metaphor, even at 12.   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:41:59 -0500   On 3/4/05 7:33 AM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote:   > But, Alan, any 'children's hymn' has the possibility of being patronizing= .. I > was thinking of the piece as more a precursor to praise music, sung by al= l > ages of people. =20   Point taken. And your =B3sung by all ages of people=B2 makes it even better. One of our tenors, about age 70, sings =B3This Little Light of Mine=B2 as a sol= o once each summer, when the choir is on hiatus. THAT way, it=B9s not at all patronizing, of course.   Thanks.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:56:35 -0600   Hi! I agree with Alan that the image of being "washed in the blood" is a little much for a 12-year old child, UNLESS he or she was raised Southern Baptist in which case he or she is ASSUMED to understand what it means!   (inspired by a memory from my own childhood!:)     Blessings, Beau Surratt   > Agreed. If not violent, at least excessively gruesome or macabre. > Metaphorically, the image may be valid, but I don't think kids are used > to > dealing with metaphor, even at 12. > > Alan Freed >      
(back) Subject: Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life." From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:45:16 -0600   "Last Years of Bach's Life."I've sent your request to someone who may = know about this, Alan.   Bob Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Freed=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: "Last Years of Bach's Life."     Does anyone remember back several years ago on a list, there was a = gentleman who=20 was on the musical staff at the same church where Healey Willan used = to=20 play? He had written an article for an Episcopal publication, entitled = The=20 Last Year of Bach's Life.... It was a wonderful single page article. =     A friend wants to request permission to reprint that article in the = booklet=20 for the Big Bach Birthday Bash in two weeks....   Any clues?   Thanks much.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life." From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:12:21 -0600   "Last Years of Bach's Life."Alan, I've contacted the author, who is = "happy to have it reprinted with suitable citations.". Please send me = your e-mail address, and I'll forward the info about whom to write for = permission.   Bob Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Freed=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: "Last Years of Bach's Life."     Does anyone remember back several years ago on a list, there was a = gentleman who=20 was on the musical staff at the same church where Healey Willan used = to=20 play? He had written an article for an Episcopal publication, entitled = The=20 Last Year of Bach's Life.... It was a wonderful single page article. =     A friend wants to request permission to reprint that article in the = booklet=20 for the Big Bach Birthday Bash in two weeks....   Any clues?   Thanks much.   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: "Children's" Hymns - UCC From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:31:27 -0600   At 08:56 AM 3/4/05, you wrote: >UNLESS he or she was raised Southern >Baptist in which case he or she is ASSUMED to understand what it means!     Or in Northwestern Indiana    
(back) Subject: Brubeck Psalm settings From: "Margarete Thomsen" <mthomsen@umich.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:32:57 -0500       Does anyone on the list know of psalm settings by Dave Brubeck. I'm almost positive that I used such a setting during Holy Week or on Passion/Palm Sunday about 12 years ago. I cannot, for the life of me, remember which psalm it was or who the publisher might be.   Margarete Thomsen    
(back) Subject: UCC and Chalice Hymnal plus Hammond Aurora From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:06:57 -0600   Randy--the UCC and the Disciples are "ecumenical partners," so it's not surprising that a UCC church would use Chalice Hymnal. Perhaps the UCC Hymnal was a bit hard to take for that congregation--it is totally revised to use inclusive language and avoid terms like Lord, Father, etc.   I'm not telling you whether that's good or bad; people have their own opinions--but we all know that when you start changing the words to hymns, even with the most noble of intentions, you can really annoy people, to put it mildly.   How about "Children of the Heavenly Father" It's not in Chalice Hymnal, but the tune is--#213. I think "Jesus Loves Me" is a great ADULT hymn.......means more to me now than it ever did as a child. "Jesus Loves the Little Children" would be good, too.     HAMMOND AURORA--whatever you can get, Chuck. I think you'll be lucky to get $200 for it! You *might* find a nursing home that would like to have it, but a lot of those are overflowing with Hammond spinets (knock 'em if you wish, but they never die!). I'd post on Keyboard Trader and that ilk. This is not one of the more desirable Hammonds, but you never know.   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: A Get Well to all of those who are sickly From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 11:10:57 -0800 (PST)   A LOT of my colleagues and other listers have emailed saying of their = ailments this winter. Im STILL having lung-fatigue from my Flu. SOOOO...to all of you who are experiencing theres terrible colds, etc, Get = Well! To bring this to topic, how are you working to make up missed choir = rehearsals due to this seasons ailments? Easter is not around the corner = anymore...its here.     From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
(back) Subject: Re: "Last Years of Bach's Life." From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:19:34 -0500   On 3/4/05 11:12 AM, "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> wrote:   > Alan, I've contacted the author, who is "happy to have it reprinted with > suitable citations.". Please send me your e-mail address, and I'll forwar= d the > info about whom to write for permission. > =20 Wow! That=B9s wonderful. My e-maila is acfreed0904@earthlink.net   The permission might best be =B3issued to=B2 Stephen Ohmer, of Johnson City, Tennessee. To him I will forward everything. (Steve is bi-vo, I guess: He=B9s organist at an RC church AND at a Lutheran church as well. (How he does THAT I don=B9t know.)   Thanks gigantically!   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: A Get Well to all of those who are sickly From: <tlevans95@charter.net> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:32:58 +0000   Well I try to avoid missing a rehearsal, though I had quite a few choir = members out this past week. In the past six years I've been Director of = Music I've only missed one adult choir rehearsal and that was due to my = back being out, and couldn't drive and I missed one children's rehearsal = just recently becasue of a cold. I just make sure I don't get sick. So = far its worked. :)   Travis > > From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> > Date: 2005/03/04 Fri PM 07:10:57 GMT > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: A Get Well to all of those who are sickly > > A LOT of my colleagues and other listers have emailed saying of their = ailments this winter. Im STILL having lung-fatigue from my Flu. > > SOOOO...to all of you who are experiencing theres terrible colds, etc, = Get Well! > > To bring this to topic, how are you working to make up missed choir = rehearsals due to this seasons ailments? Easter is not around the corner = anymore...its here. > > > > > From Desiree' > T. Desiree' Hines > Chicago, IL 60610 > ---------------------------- > For Compositions by Desiree' > Frog Music Press > www.frogmusic.com > ------------------------------- > FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' > http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html > > --------------------------------- > Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! > Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web >    
(back) Subject: Desiree's "Get Well" From: "Millie & David Kenney" <kenn411@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:38:05 -0500   Desiree, et al.:   I wish all of you well. I would like to mention something that just = happened to me:   I was feeling "blah", thinking it was probably early symptoms of the flu = (especially since the two places for which I work--elementary school and = nursing home--had a rash of illness). After a few days, I was feeling = better, back to work, etc.   Then, WHAM--I felt as hot as ever, yet my temperature registered something = like 95.8 F. Then I felt as cold as ever, and my temperature registered = 96.2. My tonsils looked a little red, but mainly irritated, certainly not = infected. Could not figure out what was happening to me, as I felt fine = during the day, then at night, I would cough and could hardly breathe. = Tried the Vaporizer; that helped a little. Finally went to the doctor = (last Thurs.) and found out I had strep throat! In all the times I have = had it before, I have run a fever somewhere in the 102s to 103s, and I = have had those horrible white pustules all over my tonsils. Not this = time. . .and not every time. . .says the doctor.   All this to say: everyone please go to the doctor and get checked out and = get well. I was given a shot of rocephin, an albuterol treatment and a = prescription for amoxicillin. Four days later (this past Mon.)the doctor = had me come back in for another breathing treatment and another shot of = rocephin. I have today and tomorrow left on the amoxicillin, and I feel = like a human!   Regarding choir rehearsals, etc.: My choir folks are so flexible--they'll = come in any time I ask them to, so if we need extra rehearsals, I just = call them, and they come (mine are mostly retired folks, so there is an = advantage).   Regarding practicing on the organ, I just practice as long as I feel like = it, and as long as the sanctuary is warm and comfortable. If I get tired = or winded, I might go make some copies and do "desk work" to let my lungs = settle down.   Be well, David Kenney   Millie & David Kenney 135 18th Street, NE Cleveland, TN 37311   (423) 473-9705    
(back) Subject: Re: UCC and Chalice Hymnal From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:02:53 -0500     On Mar 4, 2005, at 2:06 PM, First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois wrote:   > Randy--the UCC and the Disciples are "ecumenical partners," so it's not > surprising that a UCC church would use Chalice Hymnal. Perhaps the UCC > Hymnal was a bit hard to take for that congregation--it is totally > revised to use inclusive language and avoid terms like Lord, Father, > etc.   Yes, I thought I had heard that the DOC and UCC were partners. That must explain it. As I said, I think the world of the Chalice Hymnal. I've played organ for a UCC church in recent years, too, so I know the New Century Hymnal. It's great, except for the castration (circumcision?) o hymn texts. > > I'm not telling you whether that's good or bad; people have their own > opinions--but we all know that when you start changing the words to > hymns, even with the most noble of intentions, you can really annoy > people, to put it mildly.   I think we would do better to write new hymns than to bowdlerize old ones. That's the hidden English professor within me (I'm a French professor actually, but that's close). > > How about "Children of the Heavenly Father" It's not in Chalice > Hymnal, > but the tune is--#213. I think "Jesus Loves Me" is a great ADULT > hymn.......means more to me now than it ever did as a child. "Jesus > Loves the Little Children" would be good, too.   As Garison Keillor has often remarked, Children of the Heavenly Father is the absolute hands-down favorite of Lutherans. More so even than A Mighty Fortress. You know that Karl Barth once summarized his entire theology as "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so." Actually, I think that would be a wee bit of a simplification of his theology, but he did supposedly say it.   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: RE: WWBD From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:53:02 -0500   > "Bach was widely recognized as one of the finest composers of his time. Writing from Bologna...only three months before Bach's death, the great Italian musician Padre Martini, who had certainly never heard [Bach] play, could say: "...I will say only that I hold it difficult to find a better Professore since every day he can claim to be among the finest in Europe" (Boyd, pg. 218)       My (relatively unstudied) understanding is similar to yours, that Bach was always respected by the greatest composers and other musicians in the know, especially for the pedagogical value of practicing and studying his compositions.   =20   However, this rather esoteric esteem bears little resemblance to fame. That would return to Bach only via Mendelssohn et al.   =20   Too many of Bach's contemporaries are on record as regarding his compositions as old-fashioned and academic for there to be much doubt about this assessment in his day. He was better known as a performer than as a composer. His appointment as Cantor of Leipzig was not greeted with universal delight. Some were disappointed that the city could not attract a more reputable composer to the position (as I recall, they wanted Telemann). =20   =20   It all seems so obtuse to us of course, until we think how little has changed in our day: the epitome of chic is more evanescent than ever. Our fathers (such as G. Donald Harrison) didn't do anything right. But by the time they get to be our grandfathers (such as E.M. Skinner) what they produced is distant enough to be safe and charming rather than dominating and threatening, so appreciation revives-if we're lucky, before it has all irretrievably disappeared.   =20   =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Bloody Children's" Hymns From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 17:04:29 -0500   On 3/4/05 9:56 AM, "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > the image of being "washed in the blood" is a little much for a 12-year = old > child, UNLESS he or she was raised Southern Baptist in which case he or = she is > ASSUMED to understand what it means!   Ah, yes, of course! Which just confirms that it's not just a theological matter, or a linguistic one, or a musical one, but very much also (legitimately) a cultural one!   Alan  
(back) Subject: Re: Children's music From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:45:35 EST   We can do as much sophisticated music as we like, but nothing brings a =   smile to the faces of the congregation than the cherub choir sweetly = singing "The B-I-B-L-E" and "I'll be a sunbeam" (AKA "Jesus wants me for a = sunbeam"). Just hope they don't watch "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" :)   In other words, give 'em what they want now and then, and everyone will = think you are the world's greatest organist/choirmaster!   Justin  
(back) Subject: PipeChat IRC this evening, From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:48:24 -0500   Who cares if it is snowing!   All members of PipeChat are invited to join us in the PipeChat IRC any Friday and Monday evening - beginning at 9.00 PM Eastern Time.   To find out more about the Chat room, or how to get into it, go to PipeChat-L web page at http://www.pipechat.org/   You will find out all you need to know to join us.   Tonight at 9.00 PM, - I hope that we will see you there.   Cheers,   Bob Conway     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>