PipeChat Digest #5202 - Tuesday, March 8, 2005
 
Re: Bite back; make it work
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Re: "O Danny Boy"
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
RE: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: The Danny Boy Problem
  by "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com>
Tune from County Derry
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Nancy Ibberson, Daniel Burton, Claire Coci
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: "O Danny Boy"
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Danny Boy
  by "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net>
Re: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Austin Organ Company Closes
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
FW: from Kim Austin
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
RE: The Danny Boy Problem
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: FW: from Kim Austin
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: FW: from Kim Austin
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Italics
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
RE: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Italics
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Tune from County Derry
  by <AEolianSkinner@aol.com>
Re: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
A sad day (Austin)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Bite back; make it work From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 18:25:16 +0800   Roy,   As you've pointed out "I would agree that it cold be very bad in the hands = of a poor or uncultivated trumpeter." Exactly my point a classically traine= d trumpet player. (e.g. Wynton Marsalis) could pull it off -- Flugelhorn, y= es! (but probably not Chuck Mangione. (for style)). French horn? Pretty muc= h any instrument with less of an edge than a trumpet or cornet ... but what= 's a good registration for organ (to get back on topic.)     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Kersey" <rkersey@tds.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Subject: Re: Bite back; make it work Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 0:01:47 -0500   >=20 > Hello Jan and Learned Musicians, > I read with interest what Jan wrote about Londonderry Air: >=20 > <<I agree that the melody isn't well suited for the trumpet, unless=20 > perhaps, Winton Marsailis was going to play it.>> >=20 > I immediately got out both my Bb and C trumpets and played it on=20 > each. I disagree about its suitability for trumpet. Like most=20 > vocal melodies, it's fine for trumpet. Both the trumpet and the=20 > voice naturally get louder and more brilliant as they ascend=20 > (notwithstanding what we try to do in French Art Song) and trumpet=20 > players are taught to try to "sing" their melodies, so I think it's=20 > a very nice melody for a GOOD trumpeter. It does require some=20 > security in the upper register (to do the exposed parts @ mf or=20 > even piano on one verse, not blasting) and a long line, so it isn't=20 > easy to do well. Playing it in Eb (out of my old "Our Famous=20 > Favorites" vocal book) on the C trumpet brings up a lot of=20 > intonation problems on my C trumpet with all the third line C's in=20 > the melody, but they are solved with alternative fingerings and a=20 > decent ear. Better on the Bb or even transposed lower and played=20 > on the flugelhorn. > I would agree that it cold be very bad in the hands of a poor=20 > or uncultivated trumpeter. Hard to play in the way that=20 > "Traumerei" on the piano is hard. Has to be phrased just so. I=20 > have a feeling that, for the guy being discussed, "When The Saints=20 > Go Marching In" might be better. But I would like to hear Jared=20 > Grenz play it. > Which prompts me to ask --- what are your favorite trumpet +=20 > organ pieces to do with soloists? > Best Regards, > Roy Kersey > Organ Enthusiast and Amateur Trumpeter   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Re: "O Danny Boy" From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 07:27:45 EST   There are also the words by the gospel composer Dottie Rambo, "He Looked Beyond My Fault". They are probably a little more "Lenten".     Amazing Grace, shall always be my song of praise, For it was grace, that bought my liberty; I do not know just why Christ came to love me so, He looked beyond my fault and say my need.   I shall forever lift mine eyes to Calvary, to view the cross where Jesus died for me; How marvelous the grace that caught my falling soul, He looked beyond my fault and saw my need.     As to the trumpeter problem, it might be a time where you have to just = grin and bear it. Tell him that you're going to let him do it this year, but = that next year, he'll have to do it at another time. It might be good at 4th = of July and let him play a patriotic hymn, such as "God of Our Fathers". = Offer the clergy some other possibilities of when he could play. Perhaps he could = play outside the church following the service on Easter morning? There are all =   sorts of ways that he can be used without having to play in church during = Lent. However, I think your stuck this year. Dealing with it, though, is being pastoral, and sometimes that is a bigger part of music ministry than the = music itself.   Good luck as you deal with all of this!     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 06:44:32 -0600   Just to play devil's advocate:   There are more lyrics to the tune 'Londonderry Air' than just 'Danny Boy'. The first text I ever knew was something like "I were to God I was an apple blossom" or something to that effect. In fact, thirty or more years ago someone wrote a religious text, something to the effect of "He looked beyond my faults and saw my needs".   After writing this, I noticed that others pointed out religious texts to go with the tune.   If you look hard enough, you can find ways to incorporate many genres of music and tunes into worship. It sounds as if most of you do it all the time and can justify it. I find it funny when we balk at one piece and can so easily play something which to someone else could be equally absurd. So think about it.   I am not overly crazy about the song. Rick said when I played it in recital, people were sobbing all over the place. I really thought I played it better than that!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who hates Kumbaya in any context)          
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 07:48:34 -0600   PipeChatters: I first learned "The Londonderry Air" as an instrumental piece. When I first heard it as "O Danny Boy," I was upset that they would degrade such a fine tune with a trite set of lyrics. <grins> In more recent times, I have discovered the arrangement for band (maybe orchestra, too) of "Tune for County Derry," that many young folks learn to play as part of their indoctrination to music in school. As a recordist for the Region XVI in west Texas for several years, I must have at least 10 or 12 decent renderings of this tune by various bands, etc. One recording I made was during a program of pipe organ concerti. The orchestral arrangement came in the afternoon of the concert (very late) and we sight-read it for the people, anyway. It was a delightful arrangement, enriched by the "orchestration" of the pipe organ, and received a standing ovation. It is a fine piece of music, trivialized by trite textual settings, often in styles far, far from that which might be appropriate, even in native Ireland. Grannie Annie says, "I have to come to breakfast, now!" I will remember the arranger's name, later today, and will get back to you with it. Bye, F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Re: The Danny Boy Problem From: "Emily Adams" <eadams@cinci.rr.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:43:00 -0500   Hi Chatters,   Having read all the posts to date about Chuck's problem, and also assuming =   from the timing that the traditional performance has something to do with St. Patrick's Day, this occurs to me: I'd go along gracefully with a = repeat performance again this year, printing the text of the "I Cannot Tell" hymn =   in the bulletin along with a note to the effect that "today we honor the contributions of those of Irish heritage" or some such niceity.   Emily A.    
(back) Subject: Tune from County Derry From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 08:49:54 -0600   Okay, I have it now: The "Tune from County Derry" is a fabulous piece as set by Percy Grainer. This is normally worth hearing on any concert. The grandeur experienced on this piece as arranged by Grainger for organ and orchestra is a "soul thrilling" setting, indeed. The school band arrangement is not shabby, either. AND, I have an original recording of it. <big grins> F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Nancy Ibberson, Daniel Burton, Claire Coci From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 06:59:01 -0800 (PST)   Greetings all: Does anyone know where I might find either Nancy Ibberson or Daniel = Burton? I know nothing of Nancy Ibberson but I know that Daniel was the = organist at First UMC in San Diego around the mid- to late-1970s and maybe = early 80s. I am currently doing research on Paul Creston's work as an = organist and these two names would be helpful. Where might some interesting information be on Claire Coci? Creston = dedicated his Rapsodie Breve (a work for pedal solo) to her and so far I = have only found evidence of his giving a copy of it to Marilyn Mason for = her to learn it. There is no correspondence to or from Coci about this = matter, and Creston kept very thorough records of his correspondence. Thanks in advance for your assistance!   Richard   --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
(back) Subject: Re: "O Danny Boy" From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 10:50:04 -0500   On 3/8/05 7:27 AM, "RMB10@aol.com" <RMB10@aol.com> wrote:   > Perhaps he could play outside the church following the service on Easter > morning?   Or perhaps he could be challenged to recruit a second trumpet and at least one trombone, and play a medley of Easter hymns BEFORE the service, = ideally from the church tower or some such place.   Alan Freed  
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy From: "cc" <belcanto@brainerd.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 10:04:55 -0600   One of the favorites in the Christian Science hymnal uses "Londonerry = Air".   Carla C   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: Danny Boy     > Some food for thought for those who object to Danny Boy being played in = a > service. The Methodist Hymn Book (1933) for the UK and Australia has a hymn > No. 809, "I cannot tell why He whom angels worship" to tune Londonderry Air. > The words fit the tune beautifully and it used to be sung frequently in the > Methodist Churches down under. Londonderry Air by now is just that - a > beautiful Irish tune and the words "Danny Boy" are not as relevant as = they > may have been 70 or 80 years ago. As General Booth is reported to have said: > "Why should the devil have the best tunes?" > > For those interested I have provided one verse below: > : > "I cannot tell why He, whom angels worship, > Should set His love upon the sons of men, > Or why, as shepherd he should seek the wanderers > To bring them back, they know not how or when. > But this I know, that He was born of Mary, > That Bethlehem's manger was His only bed, > And that He lived at Nazareth and laboured, > And so the Saviou, Saviour of the world is come. > > I don't know what the politically correct would do with the second line and > shudder to think what a mess they could make of it. In the latest hymn book > used here some of the changes to appease the politically correct defy > description - but that's another story. > > If anyone wants the rest of the words of this hymn please let me know = and I > will send them to you. > Bob Elms. > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.4 - Release Date: 7/03/2005 > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 11:02:30 -0500   On 3/8/05 7:44 AM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote:   > Just to play devil's advocate:   Well, such advocacy should be exercised by a pro. >=20 > There are more lyrics to the tune 'Londonderry Air' than just 'Danny Boy'= .. > The first text I ever knew was something like "I were to God I was an app= le > blossom" or something to that effect.   If you enjoy the subjunctive mode, I think you'll find that among the poems of Bobby Burns, than which one can=B9t get less Irish: =B3Would I a little [something] apple were!=B2   Alan        
(back) Subject: Austin Organ Company Closes From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:17:52 -0800   I just read via another forum that as of 3 p.m. yesterday, Austin Organs, Inc., closed its business. I'm sure more will be forthcoming. It is sad, = I guess, but such is life.   Randy   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: FW: from Kim Austin From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:22:42 -0800       >The following was sent this afternoon by Kim Austin to company >representatives: > > << Dearest Austin Rep: > > Unfortunately, there is a church who is not paying us a rather large >sum which has caused significant problems in our cash flow. >This, coupled with catastrophic losses on several jobs and the lack of >new business because of rumor mongering, have led us to the sorrowful >decision to close the doors as of 3:25pm Monday, March 7, 2005. > > As you know, things have been financially very challenging to us over >the past few years. I regret to state that we have been unable to >overcome the obstacles, which seem to grow greater each year. > > It has been my privilege and pleasure to work with you all. I >appreciate your efforts, and only wish they could be rewarded futher. I >am deeply sorry in having to inform you of this, and am deeply sorry >for whatever way I might have failed you, or the company. Thank you for >your service. > > Best wishes always, > > Kimberlee J. Austin >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: RE: The Danny Boy Problem From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:24:40 -0800   For those of you interested in sneaking in something of this ilk, Edwin Lemare's arrangement "Tune from County Derry" is learnable in a few days. = I have no idea if the music is in print though.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: Re: FW: from Kim Austin From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:24:37 -0500   Unfourtuanate. . . One of the great names in American organ building is lost. . . If only I had the money, I would to anything in my power to get them back on their feet.     Saddening, to say the least.   Nicholas F. Russotto     On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:22:42 -0800, Randy Terry <randy@peacham.homeip.net> = wrote: > > > >The following was sent this afternoon by Kim Austin to company > >representatives: > > > > << Dearest Austin Rep: > > > > Unfortunately, there is a church who is not paying us a rather large > >sum which has caused significant problems in our cash flow. > >This, coupled with catastrophic losses on several jobs and the lack of > >new business because of rumor mongering, have led us to the sorrowful > >decision to close the doors as of 3:25pm Monday, March 7, 2005. > > > > As you know, things have been financially very challenging to us over > >the past few years. I regret to state that we have been unable to > >overcome the obstacles, which seem to grow greater each year. > > > > It has been my privilege and pleasure to work with you all. I > >appreciate your efforts, and only wish they could be rewarded futher. I > >am deeply sorry in having to inform you of this, and am deeply sorry > >for whatever way I might have failed you, or the company. Thank you for > >your service. > > > > Best wishes always, > > > > Kimberlee J. Austin >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Randy Terry > Music Minister > The Episcopal Church of St. Peter > Redwood City, California > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music  
(back) Subject: Re: FW: from Kim Austin From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:24:37 -0500   Unfourtuanate. . . One of the great names in American organ building is lost. . . If only I had the money, I would to anything in my power to get them back on their feet.     Saddening, to say the least.   Nicholas F. Russotto     On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 09:22:42 -0800, Randy Terry <randy@peacham.homeip.net> = wrote: > > > >The following was sent this afternoon by Kim Austin to company > >representatives: > > > > << Dearest Austin Rep: > > > > Unfortunately, there is a church who is not paying us a rather large > >sum which has caused significant problems in our cash flow. > >This, coupled with catastrophic losses on several jobs and the lack of > >new business because of rumor mongering, have led us to the sorrowful > >decision to close the doors as of 3:25pm Monday, March 7, 2005. > > > > As you know, things have been financially very challenging to us over > >the past few years. I regret to state that we have been unable to > >overcome the obstacles, which seem to grow greater each year. > > > > It has been my privilege and pleasure to work with you all. I > >appreciate your efforts, and only wish they could be rewarded futher. I > >am deeply sorry in having to inform you of this, and am deeply sorry > >for whatever way I might have failed you, or the company. Thank you for > >your service. > > > > Best wishes always, > > > > Kimberlee J. Austin >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Randy Terry > Music Minister > The Episcopal Church of St. Peter > Redwood City, California > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music  
(back) Subject: Re: Italics From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:49:23 EST   In the middle of pipechat digest, the print on my computer changed to = Italics. Has this happened to everyone, or is there something wrong with my = computer. On my screen, this font is difficult to read.   Justin  
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 06:56:48 +1300   >I first learned "The Londonderry Air" as an instrumental piece. When I first heard it as "O Danny Boy," I was upset that they would degrade such a fine tune with a trite set of lyrics. <grins> That was EXACTLY my reaction.   If you listen to the CDs of "The Irish Tenors" you'll hear just how wonderful a lot of Irish melody is when sung rather than crooned.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Italics From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:52:11 -0500   It happens. . . .When I print out articles from TheStreet.com, my printer goes to bold, and when I got a new one, it worked fine, so chances are you need a new printer. . .   NFR     On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:49:23 EST, Justinhartz@aol.com wrote: > In the middle of pipechat digest, the print on my computer changed to > Italics. > Has this happened to everyone, or is there something wrong with my > computer. > On my screen, this font is difficult to read. > > Justin > >   -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music  
(back) Subject: Re: Tune from County Derry From: <AEolianSkinner@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 12:59:37 EST   I had the oppourtunity to play this with the All Region Band here in Texas = last year. It is a fun piece to play.   Best Regards, Gregory Hinson    
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:16:07 EST   In a message dated 3/8/2005 12:52:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:   first learned "The Londonderry Air" as an instrumental piece.     it works great on the "dreaded" Theater Organ----when i played it between =   movies it was always a hit......... dale in windy florida presiding over a now defunct organ opus2628, 1979, rest in piece  
(back) Subject: A sad day (Austin) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:23:09 -0600 (Central Standard Time)   Dear Listers:   I am posting this on behalf of and with the blessing of a colleague in organbuilding. In believe it sums-up the feelings that many of us who have been organbuilders have at the moment. Sincerely, Richard Schneider All, It is a sad day in the world of organbuilding. Who among us hasn't been in = a similar situation, both on the financial front and with the rumor = mongering. If you've never been in that situation, consider yourself blessed. You'll never understand what it's like until you've been there yourself. I hope all of us will extend grace and mercy to those we know at Austin, = and won't take part in any further damage to the people or their reputations. Having walked where they are now walking (though admittedly on a much smaller scale) I know how hurtful it is to have the rumors flying and the accusations leveled, but more importantly I know how valuable and helpful = it is to be circled by friends who understand and are willing to help even at great personal cost. Through the grace and mercy of God I am still digging out and restoring my good name and passion for our art, though it is only after having passed through fires the likes of which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemies. I = now have a completely different perspective on my priorities in life, and I = hope when everything is said and done those at Austin will be able to say the same. And I hope that those of us who have walked through - or are still walking through - trials like these will circle the wagons to support our = colleagues and friends in their time of need, not contribute to the harm and outright destruction that could be a part of what they're facing now. When the dust settles, and it will take time, the people at Austin (especially those who will be in the public eye) will be extremely = grateful to anyone who has stood in support of them, laying differences and = opinions aside in order to help a friend in need. Our support will go a long way toward easing the pain and stress of what they are now facing, and it will be remembered even if only in grateful thoughts and prayers of thanks. I think it is safe to say that everyone among us - both builders and = players alike - have been the beneficiaries of the work of the Austin firm over = the years. They have designed and implemented many innovations that all of us take for granted, and as a service tech I find their instruments to be = among the easiest to maintain of any builder I've encountered. Austin will be missed, and the Austin people need our support now more = than ever. Shawn B-K Grand Rapids MI