PipeChat Digest #5204 - Wednesday, March 9, 2005
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
RE: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com>
Austin, the cycle of life
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Danny Boy, etc.
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Lenten Sundays
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Danny Boy, etc. etc, etc
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>

(back) Subject: Tibia... From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:57:22 -0500     Any ideas where there are any ranks of Tibias available ?   Thanks   HD    
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis@email.com> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:22:19 +0800     And plying the role of the devil....   Londonderry is in the far north of Ireland; the surname Sutton would be bot= h English and Southern (As opposed to Eaton, Norton and Weston). So, perhap= s it wasn't the music after all... ;-)   "Someone's weepin', Lawrd ..."=20 =20 > Just to play devil's advocate: > I am not overly crazy about the song. Rick said when I played it in > recital, people were sobbing all over the place. I really thought I > played it better than that! >=20 > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > (who hates Kumbaya in any context)   -- Jan Nijhuis nijhuis@email.com   --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm    
(back) Subject: Austin, the cycle of life From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:00:13 -0800   I'm not going to get into this too much. I'm sorry to see a grand old company go, but this is part of the cycle of life - it is mirrored in = human existence, too.   Because many famous artist-builders have gone on, we have a greater reverence for their best work. Just because the company has ceased business, does not mean we are left with nothing. We are left with a multitude of instruments, good, bad, in-between, and fabulous.   We will remember the great artists of the Austin company just like the others. I for one hope that nobody purchases the company name and slaps = it on parts house assemblages. Rest in peace.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: Danny Boy, etc. From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:18:42 -0800   I find it fascinating that certain music with sentimental secular lyrics are allowed into worhship. Without offense intended, it seems that Irish songs are accepted, yet other cultures are not. I believe Thomas Day riased a valid issue in his book of a few years ago, and it seems to spill over into Protestant worship. However, I have had occasion to see the other verses of "Danny Boy", and I recall they have more solid theology.   The Irish Catholics weren't allowed to sing true Catholic music in public for centuries and it appears the seculare or even "semi-sacred" became acceptable in the United States because of the strong Irish influence. I wonder how many non-sacred songs of other cultures are allowed in worship....it would make and interesting study.   There are plenty of examples of great hymns that have secular tunes with sacred texts, so it's a tricky isssue. However, with many of the secular tunes such as unearthed by Vaughan Williams, the original text is foreign to most folks, at least in the US.    
(back) Subject: Lenten Sundays From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 23:31:06 -0800   Having ministered in both Episcopal and Lutheran parishes, I was faced with the difference in the Roman Church with Sundays OF Lent, not IN Lent. Also, the days after Ash Wednesday are referred to as the Thursday/Friday/Saturday after Ash Wednesday, then we come upon the First Sunday of Lent, which supposedly is when the "40 days" begins....go figure.    
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy, etc. etc, etc From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:18:17 -0000   Yet 'my' modern book makes the point of having folk melodies from all = points of 'my' compass [UK] to choose from (and to remind those singing of their school-past). Perhaps that's why I chose that particular book ? __________________________________________________ Now, ......."I'm going to tell you a little story" ........ Some years ago, my wife and I (who else would she have been on holiday = with ?) were holiday-ing in Bala, Wales. (You know, Wales; "The bravest country =   in the world" ...... 'cos they keep the Irish and the English apart ! ) = and we spent the Saturday night in the delightfully named Red Lion Royal = Hotel. We observed (before Dinner) the local social structure, in which l.w.b. Landover's drove the length of the town street, deposited workers from the =   back of the pick-up at the far pub, sons and daughters in the central pizzeria/cafe from out of the cab, then farmer and wife came to dine at = the hotel. At the end of the evening we retired ............ and then the = entertainment started. We had been given the only room available - a substantial suite at the = rear of the hotel ............. which was directly above a lounge - to which = all the local repaired after dinner, and started singing hymns !(!) ...... in Welsh (!) ........ but with periods of substantial laughter between each verse !!!!! The choral standard was excellent, the improvised harmonies sublime.   I couldn't resist it and went to join - making a contribution of short improvisations between the verses on the available piano.   No-one objected; indeed, no-one spoke to me (to do so would have meant speaking English (!) although I had nods of approval, slaps on the back, = and pints placed on the top of the piano (upright) I was still made welcome.   Sunday morning was most interesting; in that, attending Chapel, I received =   so many happy nods of recognition, and firm shaking's of the hand as everyone left (though STILL no English). It must have kept the gossips' tongues wagging for quite some time ("Who = was that 'well-known' stranger ?") ________________________________________________   And them further to 'secular lyrics'... There's the phrase .. "The Italian telephone directory sounds romantic = when sung." This week I'm rehearsing the Faure Requiem - and isn't his 'Libera Me' = just the most SINGABLE piece of Latin which any choir has the opportunity to realise? Every member feels like he/she is the 'Three Tenors' !   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman who can improvise in any language]   ----- Original Message ----- From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Danny Boy, etc.     >I find it fascinating that certain music with sentimental secular lyrics > are allowed into worhship. Without offense intended, it seems that > Irish songs are accepted, yet other cultures are not. [snip]    
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy, etc. From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:53:27 +1300     >Without offense intended, it seems that Irish songs are accepted, yet other cultures are not.   Not so. We sing tunes from many other cultures set to non-Christian music from a number of countries: Fiji, Japan, Korea, England, Uganda, Egypt, Scotland, Wales, India, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Argentina, South Africa, Tanzania - just for starters off the top of my head. I value these highly, for my part.   Ross