PipeChat Digest #5206 - Thursday, March 10, 2005
 
RE: Danny Boy bites me in the...
  by "Ned Benson" <nbenson@stjohnschurch.org>
Re: Halloween recitals?
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5205 - 03/09/05
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Those "moral values" folks; was: Austin Organs
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Danny Boy and genealogy
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Italics & odd phenomena
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Re: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Danny Boy, etc.
  by "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org>
Clarification (Danny Boy)
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
RE: Clarification (Danny Boy)
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy bites me in the... From: "Ned Benson" <nbenson@stjohnschurch.org> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:38:52 -0800   Then bite him back. Londonderry Air is a 11.10.11.10.D. tune, so fit it with new words. Print the text, and let the trumpeter blow 'till Gabriel gets jealous.   A nice Keith Landis text at #595 in Songs for the People of God, "Make Us at One with You." Or Thomas Tiplady (1882-1967). Tune: Londonderry Air 11.10.11.10.D.   Above the hills of time the cross is gleaming, Fair as the sun when night has turned to day; And from it love's pure light is richly streaming, To cleanse the heart and banish sin away. To this dear cross the eyes of men are turning, Today as in the ages lost to sight; And for Thee, O Christ, men's hearts are yearning, As shipwrecked seamen yearn for morning light.   The cross, O Christ, Thy wondrous love revealing, Awakes our hearts as with the light of morn, And pardon o'er our sinful spirits stealing, Tells us that we, in Thee, have been reborn. Like echoes to sweet temple bells replying Our hearts, O Lord, make answer to Thy love; And we will love Thee with a love undying, =92Till we are gathered to Thy home above.   Thomas Tiplady was born in 1882, in Gayle, Wensleydale, United Kingdom, and died in 1967. He entered the ministry in 1908, and served in World War I as a chaplain on the Somme. He went to the Lambeth Mission in London in 1922 and was there for 32 years. He pioneered the use of films in evangelism and wrote over 250 hymns.     -- Dr. Ned H. Benson St. John's Presbyterian Church 1070 West Plumb Lane Reno, Nevada 89509 775-826-0990 http://www.stjohnschurch.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Halloween recitals? From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 17:52:46 -0500   We do a Halloween recital every year here at school. We generally have some sort of theme -- Ghosts of Westminster, Nightmare Before Halloween, sort of a Hannibal theme. It works like this -- all the performers are spooks of some sort, and we work out this elaborate story line and plot about how we're coming back to haunt the campus. We raised "J.S. Bach" from the dead once. We raised Cinderella from the dead once. We all dress up as whatever we want and work it into the story. We carve pumpkins and have decorations and stuff. Um...Always starts with the Toccata and Fugue in d Minor, then have a wide variety of music. Sometimes we play around with registrations so in the orgelbuchlein piece about the Angels coming from heaven, we make a weird registration and say the spooks are flying around. It's a really fun concert, and the audience really enjoys it!   Ask if you have any more questions! Shelley   >>> cepeery@earthlink.net 03/09/05 6:52 AM >>> Having an unforeseen drop-out in our Concert Series line-up for October, I thought of having a Halloween organ recital. I know some of you have done this, and some AGO chapters have done it... can you fill me in on how you organized it? (Multiple players? repertoire? cute titles? kid-friendly? extraneous touches (costumes, snacks)?)   Many thanks, Chuck Peery St. Louis     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5205 - 03/09/05 From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:52:50 EST   At whose place??? In a message dated 3/9/2005 4:39:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   Subject: Next Week From: "LBoekeloo" <lboekeloo@triton.net> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:46:17 -0500   We still on for next Tuesday at 8 PM?     Larry      
(back) Subject: Those "moral values" folks; was: Austin Organs From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:06:22 EST   Could it be a "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality. Apparently churches = are not obligated to follow the "moral values" that they insist that everyone =   else should. How do you define "hypocrite?" Stan Krider In a message dated 3/9/2005 4:39:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Margo = Dillard writes:   Subject: Re: Austin Organs From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 13:00:14 -0600   I think churches too often get by with defaulting on debts because creditors are "too nice" to enforce debt collection. Someone mentioned a few months ago that it is believed to be professional suicide to sue a church. Personally, I think they should be sued when they fail to meet obligations and then just shrug and do nothing about it - at the very least, they should be publically embarrassed - and the rest of the world should be warned. It seems every time I hear of an actual church doing this, it is a very large, very wealthy church with no excuse other than that they just don't bother because they know no one will do anything about it.    
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy, etc. From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:47:02 +0800   I don't know "With One Voice" Ross. TIS is in similar format to the old Methodist Hymn Book, and Hymns A and M, for that matter. The RC Church had =   input to it so there are Psalms by Joseph Gelineau, and other hymns such = as "Here I am Lord" beloved of the Catholic Church at present (some not of great musial value). The book coverage is quite diverse. Unfortunately it = is also expensive with the pew copies (words with melody line) at around $A30 =   and the full harmony at about $A70. Even though it is expensive it has = been widely accepted in Australia. Ours were donated by a parishioner so the = cost did not come into it for us. There are 783 items in it, hymns, songs, choruses, chants, psalms, you name it, it is there. Personally I am very disappointed with the book because of its political correctness. Some beloved traditional hymns have been slaughtered in the cause of neutralising gender. Instances: (1) "Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" has become "Dear Father Lord of Humankind" (2) "O brother man = fold to your heart your Brother" is now "Fold to your heart your sister and = your brother" - both by John Greenleaf Whittier by the way! There are many = other examples many of the changes being quite crude and amateurish. I don't know whether you were familiar with the predecessor of this book, Australian Hymn Book? This one is after the same style but has more hymns and greater resources. Unfortunately its political correctness spoils it = as far as I am concerned. Regards, Bob.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:31 PM Subject: RE: Danny Boy, etc.     > >The Australian Hymn Book II (Together in Song) > > Bob, > I don't know this book. Is it similar to "With One Voice", which has > proved > mighty popular over here? > > Ross >       -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 9/03/2005    
(back) Subject: Danny Boy and genealogy From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 19:50:29 -0600   Actually, Jan, I am only Sutton by marriage. I am forsooth an Andrews. And we all know from where they originated!   By the way, the name of the new firm is Andrews, Davis & Sutton. It's kind of cool - Andrews was my maiden name; Davis was my paternal grandmother's maiden name.   Thanks to all for their support during my trying times. Tomorrow is my last day at work! I am in court all day tomorrow. Friday I get to go start decorating my new office, and Monday I start officially. I'm already added to the malpractice insurance and have signed the bank signature cards. Rick added me to his health insurance, and I made all the decisions about what to do with my current retirement and deferred comp. I have already been asked to do two wills and a trust, and have a first client and sizable retainer before I have even started! Rick can't wait until my name is on the arcade.   I played my recital program for my friend the ax-murderer the other night. It had been over a week since I touched the organ, and that was the recital. I nailed it for him - it felt good.   The local office gave a luncheon in my honor today - several judges were in attendance, and it was very touching to know how much they thought of me. After three months of trial by fire, the good by-products are the confirmation of how good God is and who my real friends are.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Jan Nijhuis And plying the role of the devil....   Londonderry is in the far north of Ireland; the surname Sutton would be both English and Southern (As opposed to Eaton, Norton and Weston). So, perhaps it wasn't the music after all... ;-)   "Someone's weepin', Lawrd ..."        
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy, etc. From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:10:30 +1300   >I don't know "With One Voice" Ross.   Sorry I don't have a spare copy and it's now said to be out of print.   Can't afford a copy of your new book, but I may not be missing much from what you say.   >Some beloved traditional hymns have been slaughtered in the cause of neutralising gender. Instances: (1) "Dear Lord and Father of Mankind" has become "Dear Father Lord of Humankind" (2) "O brother man = fold to your heart your Brother" is now "Fold to your heart your sister and = your brother" - both by John Greenleaf Whittier by the way! There are many = other examples many of the changes being quite crude and amateurish.   I loathe this sort of thing. I once got my choir, just for fun at a practice, not to sing "All poor men and humble", but to somehow scramble = in the words, "All economically disadvantaged persons and those of low self-esteem". It was a hoot. :-)   >I don't know whether you were familiar with the predecessor of this book, =   Australian Hymn Book? This one is after the same style but has more hymns and greater resources. Unfortunately its political correctness spoils it = as far as I am concerned.   Maybe that's a similar one to "With One Voice", I don't know, but I think WOV is of Aussie origin so it could have been.   Regards, Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy, etc. From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:09:26 -0500     On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:10 PM, TheShieling wrote:   > Maybe that's a similar one to "With One Voice", I don't know, but I > think > WOV is of Aussie origin so it could have been. > > Regards, > Ross > >   Mais, non! With One Voice is of American Lutheran origin! ELCA / Augsburg Fortress, to be precise. Unless there is another one out there.   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: RE: Danny Boy, etc. From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:18:59 +1300       >Mais, non! With One Voice is of American Lutheran origin! ELCA / Augsburg Fortress, to be precise. Unless there is another one out there.   I'm sure it is a different one.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Italics & odd phenomena From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:23:30 -0600   Re: Italics & odd phenomenaI don't have Word, but if I just hit "Forward" and go to rich text (under "format"), I have all sorts of options - like enlarging print or changing colors, just as if I were creating an email = from scratch. Kip in MO - a "neocomputerist" ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Freed To: PipeChat Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Italics & odd phenomena     On 3/9/05 12:41 PM, "gmpender@integrity.com" <gmpender@integrity.com> = wrote:   > I found that if I highlighted the text (as if to copy and paste), it = would > go > into dark blue "ink" and then when I released the highlight, the type > would > revert to light grey.   Having lousy eyes, I use that technique a lot. And if all else fails, Select All, Copy, open a Word doc, and paste it in there, where you can customize to your heart's content. Then Save or Toss Out, as appropriate. =   Most things aren't worth even that small effort; but some ARE!   Alan Freed      
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy, etc. From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 22:27:06 -0500     On Mar 9, 2005, at 10:18 PM, TheShieling wrote:   > > >> Mais, non! With One Voice is of American Lutheran origin! ELCA / > Augsburg Fortress, to be precise. Unless there is another one out > there. > > I'm sure it is a different one. > > Ross > >   Right you are! I found it at: http://www.oremus.org/hymnal/aus77.html   --which has an index of its contents. And describes it thusly:   Index of The Australian Hymn Book (With One Voice), 1977   This hymnal was produced by the Uniting Church in Australia (made up of Congregational, Methodist and Presbyterian churches) and the Anglican Church of Australia. In 1974, Roman Catholic representatives were added to the committee. This book was published in two editions, one with and one without the Catholic supplement. This book was also published under the title With One Voice in Great Britain, Ireland and New Zealand and met with some success in those markets. A new edition was released in 1999.   Randy Runyon  
(back) Subject: Re: Danny Boy, etc. From: "Roger Brown" <roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:39:47 +1100   On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:18 pm, TheShieling wrote: > I'm sure it is a different one.   'With One Voice' was the UK (and perhaps NZ) version of the Australian = Hymn Book (circa 1977) - the predecessor of Together in Song (TIS). -- Roger Brown roger2@rogerbrown.no-ip.org http://rogerbrown.no-ip.org  
(back) Subject: Clarification (Danny Boy) From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 19:45:14 -0800   My point was about Irish secular songs (that means text included) seeming permissible in worship. Using secular tunes was not what I was talking about.   I don't recall other cultures using secular texts in worship...perhaps I've just been sheltered :)    
(back) Subject: RE: Clarification (Danny Boy) From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:01:26 +1300     >My point was about Irish secular songs (that means text included) seeming permissible in worship. Using secular tunes was not what I was talking about.   Fair enough. Point made: I haven't seen secular words being used, and wouldn't want to.   Ross