PipeChat Digest #5208 - Friday, March 11, 2005
 
Re:Migraines
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Migraines and Handbells
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Migraines
  by "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net>
Austin in Lodi CA was: Austin the end of a great organ builder
  by "Vic Ferrer" <vic@vicferrerproductions.com>
Re: Migraines
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Dr. Robert Raefield
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
RE: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net>
Bankruptcy
  by "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com>
Re: Migraines
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Mendelssohn Concerto in E-minor for Violin
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: Migraines
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: Mendelssohn Concerto in E-minor for Violin
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: Dr. Robert Raefield [sic]
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re:Migraines From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:49:02 EST   I don't get migraines from handbells, but as a fourth generation = migraineur, so many other triggers set me off into a migraine attack, handbells would = be the least of my worries.   I like handbells, but in small doses. I know churches that just go hog = wild over bells, but I think it's a case of "a little goes a long way." Just = like toccatas, chamade fanfares, free harmonization, everything needs to be = done in moderation, or else what is should be exciting is no longer exhilarating. = If you use them every week, what's the novelty.   I think what is probably triggering Justin's headaches is not the = harmonics, but the intense frequencies that are emanating from the bells. Bells were =   meant to ring from towers and carry long distances, not be confined to = small spaces such as the acoustically dead sanctuaries of most American = churches. Handbells are high pitched and are fairly loud, so these frequencies are = ringing away in close proximity to everyone's ears. Organ pipes are above = people's heads, bells are usually in a tower,but where do handbells usually play? = Right in front of the congregation and the director is only 2 1/2 or 3 feet away = from them. It's no wonder Justin is getting headaches. My recommendation is = to find a volunteer to take over the handbell program.     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Migraines and Handbells From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:00:01 -0500   I never get headaches (knock on wood!) but recently I've had to step in and play some of the handbells in the handbell choir I direct. Wow! That is hard on the ears when you are playing them yourself and there are players on either side. Much more so than when I'm simply conducting from ten feet or more away. I'm surprised my handbell ringers haven't gone deaf by now.   I remember playing the handbells at National City Christian Church--from the organ console. It's one of the stops. Now that's an elegant solution.   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: Re: Migraines From: "Shirley" <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 09:07:06 -0500   Justin, I'm thinking maybe it's the overtone series that's getting to you, = especially in chord clusters where the series is multiplied, and in a closed room where = that series is magnified even further when the sound bounces off the walls.   --Shirley   On 10 Mar 2005 at 22:56, Justinhartz@aol.com expounded:   > This is slightly off topic, but since we have discussions about > church > music situations which are not specifically "organ" related, here > goes...! > > The sound of handbells gives me migraines. > No other idiophonic instruments do this to me. > > Perhaps it is the tuning, or the fact that they are often played > in chord > clusters in a closed environment that triggers the attacks. > I can listen to carillon music, organ chimes, even electronic > tower bells > without pain. > Is anyone else so afflicted? > > Justin >        
(back) Subject: Austin in Lodi CA was: Austin the end of a great organ builder From: "Vic Ferrer" <vic@vicferrerproductions.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:44:52 -0800   Hello Tim and List:   Tim you must be speaking about the Austin at the Zion Reformed Church=20 in Lodi, CA.   That was the very fist pipe organ I heard as a 7 or 8 year old around=20 1970. I can still remember the day I fell in love with the pipe=20 organ... standing for the hymn and feeling the pressure from those very=20=   same pedal reeds vibrating my whole chest cavity. It was the beginning=20=   of a lifelong love affair that still grows. Four generations of my=20 family attended that church (Ellwanger). I have a couple a great aunts=20=   who still go there on Sundays.   We always thought it funny that the organists' name was Kiezs (Keys). I=20=   never took lessons on that organ, nor played it, but every time I go=20 home for a visit and drive by that big red brick building I remember=20 the impression that Austin organ had on me. Small world. maybe we were=20=   in Sunday school together!   I've found Kimberlee Austin to be extremely generous with her time and=20=   always willing to help me out, as I am producing a documentary film=20 about preserving America's historic pipe organs. She's given me full=20 access to the Austin files and photos, allowed me to bring camera crews=20=   into the factory and even let me go out on a few jobs with her guys.   I was sad to learn of Don Austin's passing and now the closure of the=20 firm. I wish the very best for Kimberlee.   Vic -   *************   Subject: Re: Austin: the end of a great organ builder From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:06:36 -0600   Dear Stephen,   I too was so sad to hear of Austin's demise. This is a travesty. I=20 remember well the first time I heard a pipe organ at age 4 .... the 3=20 manual 45 rank Austin installed in our church in 1952, masterfully=20 played by Walter Kiesz who served our church as organist for more than=20=   50 years. I will never forget being inside that room sized Great Chest=20=   as the organ played! I remember being absolutely fascinated by the 32'=20=   pedal reed, the largest pipes of which were mounted horizontally behind=20=   the chancel wall. I had my first lessons on that organ, and spent many hours practicing=20 on it in my childhood. I recently made a trip home to California and=20 had the great pleasure of playing that very same Austin for my=20 brother's wedding. Still a very grand and musical instrument after 53=20=   years! Of course the organ has had work done over the years, but=20 nothing major as I understand it...routine maintenance, and an annual=20 tuning.   Kind Regards,   Tim Grenz   ******************************   Vic Ferrer San Francisco vic@vicferrerproductions.com   "Luck is the point at which preparation meets opportunity" =97 unknown   ******************************=  
(back) Subject: Re: Migraines From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:59:54 EST   Hello Justinhartz@aol.com,     In reference to your comment: The sound of handbells gives me migraines. No other idiophonic instruments do this to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Perhaps you simply need to keep a pair of earplugs handy for when the handbells are ringing. This should block most of the higher frequencies.   I've had migraines all my life. I was diagnosed when I was around two = years old, and used to have a screamer at least once a week that would = sometimes last a few days. I was told to give ginko biloba a try - and whaddya = know, I'm down to 2 - 3 a YEAR. Sure beats all that codeine and the rest of = the fun stuff the doc gave me!   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Dr. Robert Raefield From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:14:17 EST   does anybody know if dr. robert raefield (might be rayfield) is still = living, and if so, how to contact him? he was a student of sowerby's, and i have = a recording of him playing the pageant.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:38:17 -0600   It's Rayfield. Try Indiana University, Bloomington. I should imagine he = is retired but may be playing at Trinity (?) Episcopal Church. I knew = him years ago before he went to Indiana. IIRC, he learned Sowerby's = Pageant to get his pedal technique back after having broken a leg. Seems = to me he was featured on Pipedreams, playing Sowerby's music, many years = ago.   Robert Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: Dr. Robert Raefield     does anybody know if dr. robert raefield (might be rayfield) is still = living, and if so, how to contact him? he was a student of sowerby's, = and i have a recording of him playing the pageant.   scot=20  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:03:09 EST   i thot Dr. Rayfield passed recently.... i love the pageant---junior recital piece during my oh so youthful = college days. made a great dedicatory piece tooooo does anyone still play Comes Autumn Time? dale in sunny baseball filled Florida  
(back) Subject: RE: Dr. Robert Raefield From: "Michael David" <michaelandmaggy@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:05:23 -0600   Too late. He died October 18, 1999 in Bloomington.     www.thediapson.com <http://www.thediapson.com/> is wonderful.     Michael - browneyed, never mind     _____   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Robert Lind Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:38 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield     It's Rayfield. Try Indiana University, Bloomington. I should imagine he is retired but may be playing at Trinity (?) Episcopal Church. I knew him = years ago before he went to Indiana. IIRC, he learned Sowerby's Pageant to get = his pedal technique back after having broken a leg. Seems to me he was = featured on Pipedreams, playing Sowerby's music, many years ago.     Robert Lind   ----- Original Message -----   From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com   To: pipechat@pipechat.org   Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:14 AM   Subject: Dr. Robert Raefield     does anybody know if dr. robert raefield (might be rayfield) is still living, and if so, how to contact him? he was a student of sowerby's, and = i have a recording of him playing the pageant.   scot    
(back) Subject: Bankruptcy From: "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:05:58 -0500   A couple of modifications to what Glenda said about bankruptcy. 99% of my law practice is bankruptcy, so I hope (!) that I know these things. It is correct that upon the filing of a petition, an stay goes into effect automatically that prevents most creditors from starting a law suit or continuing an existing law suit, or taking any other action to collect money or property from the debtor. If the creditor has a security interest in property, the creditor would probably be allowed relief from the stay to recover its property. Corporations do not receive discharges; only real live human beings. A debtor can file bankruptcy petitions as often as necessary (until the bankruptcy judge gets tired of seeing them, essentially), but an individual (under current law) can receive a discharge only once every seven years.   Churches are peculiarities in the law. I'm sure Glenda would agree that anyone wanting to sue needs to be sure that they are suing the right defendant. Roman catholic churches, for example, are some what problematic because you (usually) must name the bishop of the diocese; diocesan property is owned by the bishop as a "corporation sole", most of the time. See (with several grains of salt) http://www.paperadvantage.org/CorpSoleStatutes.html   Congress appears to have approved major changes in bankruptcy law that make it more difficult for individuals to get effective relief. Anyone who has been thinking about filing should do so sooner, rather than later, because - if nothing else - legal fees are going to skyrocket!   David Baker
(back) Subject: Re: Migraines From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:24:16 -0500   Avoid red wine, cheese, caffeine, chocolate, peanut butter, msg, and other =   stimulants before you play. Usually you can eat any one of the above = without problems but when you mix them together you will get migraines.   Strong flashing lights also trigger migraines. Any of you suffer after = driving to church with the sun flashing in your eyes?   Weather changes also trigger migraines- that gets me. I don't find that = tuning bothers me as much as other things do "An older sister who's mouth has no = off switch - yack yack yack ;-))) ".   The herb Feverfew works wonders for many of my family. Codeine does as = well but that makes me seem even more dopey than usual.   Our best source of warning is our local TV weatherman Matt Hayes. He's a workaholic and when he is out sick you know he's got a massive migraine. = He's 100% accurate with his weather reports as a result.     Nelson.    
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0600   It was Rayfield. He taught at Indiana University, Bloomington for many years before he retired. He died some time ago - I would guess it has been around 10 years. Someone else may remember more exactly when - I think they sent letters to all his former students. He was not a student of Sowerby - more a case of a collegue who consulted directly and extensively with Sowerby on the interpretation of his organ works. He was a student of Langlais, among others.   Margo   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > does anybody know if dr. robert raefield (might be rayfield) is still > living, and if so, how to contact him? he was a student of sowerby's, > and i have a recording of him playing the pageant. > > scot     -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio    
(back) Subject: Mendelssohn Concerto in E-minor for Violin From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:55 -0600   I just received word yesterday evening of the death of a dear friend, and the family has specifically requested that I play the Mendelssohn Concerto in E-Minor for Violin on the organ during the funeral, which is on Monday afternoon! They want to hear the second and third movements...   First of all, does a piano or organ transcription of this work even exist? If so, where in the world can I find it prior to that time? (heaven forbid that I have time to actually learn it!)   If you have an idea or solution, please email me privately.   Thanks.   Daniel Hancock In Springfield, Missouri, with three funerals this weekend!  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:26:06 -0500   i've played Comes Autumn Time before. hmmm, might have to work that up = again for a Fall recital... maybe a Halloween recital. scot -----Original Message----- From: Keys4bach@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:03:09 EST Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield     i thot Dr. Rayfield passed recently.... i love the pageant---junior recital piece during my oh so youthful college = days. made a great dedicatory piece tooooo does anyone still play Comes Autumn Time? dale in sunny baseball filled Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: Migraines From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:28:40 -0500   darn, that's just what i was going to have for dinner tonight... scot (who has had less than a dozen headaches his entire life, unless you = count the effects of eating ice cream too fast) -----Original Message----- From: Nelson Denton <ndenton@cogeco.ca> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:24:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Migraines     Avoid red wine, cheese, caffeine, chocolate, peanut butter, msg, and other = stimulants before you play. Usually you can eat any one of the above = without problems but when you mix them together you will get migraines.  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:31:18 -0500   sorry, margo. i was listening to him just this morning on a tape of an = old broadcast of pipedreams and he specifically said he was a student of = sowerby's. -----Original Message----- From: Margo Dillard <dillardm@airmail.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:16:44 -0600 Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield     It was Rayfield. He taught at Indiana University, Bloomington for many = years before he retired. He died some time ago - I would guess it has been = around 10 years. Someone else may remember more exactly when - I think = they sent letters to all his former students. He was not a student of = Sowerby - more a case of a collegue who consulted directly and extensively = with Sowerby on the interpretation of his organ works. He was a student of = Langlais, among others. Margo BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > does anybody know if dr. robert raefield (might be rayfield) is still > = living, and if so, how to contact him? he was a student of sowerby's, > = and i have a recording of him playing the pageant. > > scot -- Dr. Margo Dillard Organist, FUMC, Lewisville, TX Musical Feast Choral Society Dillard Piano & Organ Studio ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: Mendelssohn Concerto in E-minor for Violin From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:35:09 -0500   they want to hear it played as an organ solo, or violin accompanied by = organ? if the former, i'd call them back & tell them you can bring a CD = to play instead! scot -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Hancock <dhancock@brpae.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:29:55 -0600 Subject: Mendelssohn Concerto in E-minor for Violin     I just received word yesterday evening of the death of a dear friend, and the family has specifically requested that I play the Mendelssohn Concerto in E-Minor for Violin on the organ during the funeral, which is on Monday afternoon! They want to hear the second and third movements...   First of all, does a piano or organ transcription of this work even exist? If so, where in the world can I find it prior to that time? (heaven forbid that I have time to actually learn it!)   If you have an idea or solution, please email me privately.   Thanks.   Daniel Hancock In Springfield, Missouri, with three funerals this weekend!   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield [sic] From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:48:52 -0600   Countless people studied with Leo Sowerby--but this means that they took = composition, form and analysis, and/or other theory courses from him at = American Conservatory. Before I became his assistant, I studied for one = year some of his organ works with him at Chicago's Cathedral of St. = James. He was quick to let me know that he didn't take organ students. = But one could argue that since I did study his organ works with him, = some others might have done so, over the span of many decades, as well.   Robert Lind =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: blueeyedbear@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Robert Raefield     sorry, margo. i was listening to him just this morning on a tape of = an old broadcast of pipedreams and he specifically said he was a student = of sowerby's.