PipeChat Digest #5212 - Sunday, March 13, 2005
 
Midmer Organs
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Midmer organ
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
8' trumpet
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
today's music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by "george pendergraft" <gmpender@integrity.com>
Re: 8' trumpet
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: 8' trumpet
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
randy@peacham.homeip.net
  by "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
a nice one
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
tuning reeds - get professional advice
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: 8' trumpet
  by "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net>
Re: tuning reeds - get professional advice
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: today's music
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: today's music
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: tuning reeds - get professional advice
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: organ music for Mothers' Day?
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: today's music
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
ludwigtone
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: organ music for mother's day?
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: ludwigtone
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Midmer Organs From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:07:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)   Dear List...=0D =0D Looking at the stop list, I wonder if a coupler tab (or two) were removed to provide room for the Mixture and something else - I see no Swe= ll to Great 16' or Swell to Swell 16' in the specification, although there i= s a Great to Great 16'.=0D =0D It looks like a nice instrument... I'd be hesitant to change it, as Midmer organs are as rare as hen's teeth these days.=0D =0D Do you know the condition of the leather, or when it was re-leathered= ?=20 This would be a very good thing to check out, even if it was re-leathered= in the 70's or 80's. The "natural skiver" leather, and other materials available at the time, were not very good at all. I'd be hesitant to tr= ust them for even the short term future.=0D =0D Best,=0D =0D Nathan
(back) Subject: Re: Midmer organ From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:27:09 EST   The church and/or the organ's professional curator would likely have files =   regarding the history of the instrument, its alterations, and its course = of care. If not, the curator, with a bit of intelligent archaeology, can = determine the original specifications, if the organ has been altered.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City http://www.glucknewyork.com/   ..  
(back) Subject: 8' trumpet From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:20:32 -0600   HI list, I have a question. I have installed my 8' trumpet in my = residence organ. I tuned it and what a sound! It is from a Moller = organ from about 1986. What are the scrolls for on the bells of the = pipes and what do I do with them? Thanks, Gary
(back) Subject: today's music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 15:47:02 EST   at westminster congregational ucc in spokane:   prelude: wondrous love, arr. dale wood   hymns: my faith, it is an oaken staff (the staff of faith) i will trust in the lord (trust in the lord) my life flows on in endless song (endless song)   anthem: when jesus wept, william billings   offertory: at even when the sun was set, nancy m. roberts   postlude: psalm prelude on 'de profundis', herbert howells  
(back) Subject: re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: "george pendergraft" <gmpender@integrity.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:27:33 -0500     Scot -   How about a very lovely "Ave Maria"? :-) Martha   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D i'm planning a recital that just might take place on mother's day. any suggestions as to what relevant organ music i might include?   scot        
(back) Subject: Re: 8' trumpet From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:45:48 -0500   Gary:   What I say here applies to some, but not all reeds. I am also speaking in glittering generalities, if you have more specific questions, please voice them.   A trumpet from that vintage M=F6ller was constructed and voiced with the intent that it be tuned on the scroll and not the wire. That being said, if the stop was moved, and stored etc, it is likely that the wires were disturbed, and therefore the first tuning should be on the wire.   If all things are as they should be, the wire is used only for regulating.   Within a fairly narrow margin, the stop can be made louder by opening the scroll a little, and knocking the wire up until each note is in tune. (The inverse holds true) If previous tuners have been careless with the scrolls and scrolled them down too far, then you could have trouble with "leaking scrolls." Scrolls that are weak from rolling down too far, will adversely affect the speech and tuning stability.   Usually the scrolls "live" between one and two scroll widths down from closed. In other words, if the scroll is one inch wide, the opening above it will be from one inch to two inches long.   If the stop is hopelessly out of regulation, and you need to figure out where to start, you can try this. Place all scrolls about one scroll width from the top. If the scroll seams are erratic, wavy, or just peeled open too far, then temporarily tape them up with masking tape. On each pipe, knock the wire down slowly while the note is playing, and stop when the note begins to choke. At this point, knock it back up a little bit, and finish tuning on the scroll. In no instance should you tear into new metal while scrolling down. Once you have done this, go back and try to even things out.   Remove the tape before it makes a mess on the pipe. If you have scrolls which are still rolled "way up" compared to how long the seams are open, let me know, and I will try to help you with that problem   This whole process is really not something that should be attempted by the untrained and inexperienced. I offer these suggestions only because they might be used by an amateur on HIS OWN house organ.     Jim               On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:20:32 -0600 "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> writes: HI list, I have a question. I have installed my 8' trumpet in my residence organ. I tuned it and what a sound! It is from a Moller organ from about 1986. What are the scrolls for on the bells of the pipes and what do I do with them? Thanks, Gary
(back) Subject: Re: 8' trumpet From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:50:07 EST   In a message dated 3/13/2005 2:25:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, gblack@ocslink.com writes: HI list, I have a question. I have installed my 8' trumpet in my = residence organ. I tuned it and what a sound! It is from a Moller organ from about =   1986. What are the scrolls for on the bells of the pipes and what do I do = with them? Thanks, Gary The scrolls on the top of the resonators are used for tuning and/or regulation. Assuming that the scrolls have not bee moved to either extreem = position (nearly rolled all the way shut or all the way open) you can alter to a = small degree the loudness/timbre by tuning alternately on the wire and at the = top (scroll) to get a mostly uniform timbre/loudness. Most of the time, = Moller's reed voicers set the scrolls at about the mid-point of their adjustment range, gradually increasing the space above the rolled metal to maintain or even = slightly louden the notes at the treble end of the rank. You can compare the = loudness to the firts flue treble (usually F# - number 55) to see if the redd = scrolls have been tinkered with. Ordinarily, the regulation of reed between the = wire and scroll should be done by a knowledgeable, experienced tuner with a = listening pair of ears "out there" in the listening area giving general directions (louder/softer, more/less 'clang' or 'fundamental' etc.).   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:50:58 EST   In a message dated 3/13/2005 2:28:15 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gmpender@integrity.com writes: Scot -   How about a very lovely "Ave Maria"? :-) Martha   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D i'm planning a recital that just might take place on mother's day. any suggestions as to what relevant organ music i might include?   scot   How about, "On this Day O Beautiful Mother?" or M.O.T.H.E.R. M is for the many..... Magnificat's by any # of composers, French, German etc. for starters. There are tons of them by Bach and Buxtehude, Couperin.   Ron    
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:49:50 EST   In a message dated 3/13/2005 5:51:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   any suggestions as to what relevant organ music i might include?       i will bite...."having my baby"? dale running and ducking but guessing most people do not remember that song......  
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:03:55 -0500   Thats real tasteful, Dale. . . . . how 'bout writing a new Choral Prelude simply entitled "Mutter"?   Nick     On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:49:50 EST, Keys4bach@aol.com <Keys4bach@aol.com> = wrote: > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 5:51:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > RonSeverin@aol.com writes: > any > suggestions as to what relevant organ music i might include? > > i will bite...."having my baby"? > > dale running and ducking but guessing most people do not remember that > song......     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music  
(back) Subject: randy@peacham.homeip.net From: "Ed Steltzer" <steltzer@gwi.net> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:09:24 -0500   Hi Randy - I have no useful comments on Midmers, but just wanted to say that it's nice to hear from another organist who installed the Artisan Control System. I'm a retired engineer and church organist at Kennebunk Baptist in Maine. We have a good-sounding 1950 Reuter of 7 ranks.   I was unhappy with the unit Gedeckt which was the only available Pedal sound, and it was wimpy. So I bought, paid for, and installed an Artisan system with "Ranks in a Box". Also two big sub-woofers and a Crown amplifier. Now I have a larger Bourdon 16, a Principal 16, and a Tromba 16, plus some other digital manual stuff. What a joy! .... and the other Artisan features are cool, too.   Ed, in Maine   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Midmer stoplist     > Shirley, > > I know nothing about the tonal qualities of these organs, but suspect a > fairly big Diapason and Flutes. > > On the other hand, if you (Snip) I rewired the old Klann console and relays twice before I > found my Aeolian-Skinner console and installed the Artisan Control = System. > > If you are interested in further information email me privately. Thanks! > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Randy Terry > Music Minister > The Episcopal Church of St. Peter > Redwood City, California >    
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:17:33 EST   In a message dated 3/13/2005 7:04:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com writes:   Thats real tasteful, Dale. . . . . how 'bout writing a new Choral Prelude simply entitled "Mutter"?     i only wrote it because it was the WORST request i ever had for a wedding = in 1973.... and the list has been a little dry..... would that be stabat mutter? dale in Florida whom apologizes if he offended anyone..........was not intended riding high from huge cantata event at church over weekend.  
(back) Subject: a nice one From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:21:14 EST   I recall last year we did a similar run about mother's day songs. Rhosymedre came to mind........ Anyone's Children of the Heavenly Parent/Father/Mother would be a great piece. the arrangement by Dale Wood is already on my list for that Sunday AM. dale in Florida  
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:39:35 -0500   Only joking. . . I have a tremendous ( I like to think) sense of humour.   NFRussotto     On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:17:33 EST, Keys4bach@aol.com <Keys4bach@aol.com> = wrote: > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 7:04:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com writes: > Thats real tasteful, Dale. . . . . how 'bout writing a new Choral > Prelude simply entitled "Mutter"? > i only wrote it because it was the WORST request i ever had for a = wedding in > 1973.... > > and the list has been a little dry..... > > would that be stabat mutter? > > dale in Florida whom apologizes if he offended anyone..........was not > intended > riding high from huge cantata event at church over weekend. >     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music  
(back) Subject: tuning reeds - get professional advice From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:03:28 -0800   I'm not a professional organ tech, but in my experience, I have always = been advised that the "scrolls" were better used for regulation, not tuning, because of the problems caused by too much fooling around with.   The organ at my church has not been tuned (except for a few touched up = notes here and there) since 2002, and while the Oboe needs more attention, I = have hardly touched the Trumpet.   One must keep in mind that the bay area is rather temperate, not too hot = or cold, and most churches don't have central a/c and the heating systems are often "radiant" heat, as we have. We don't keep the thermostat set at = about 65, and thus the building remains at about that temp, usually a bit = warmer. During the hottest months, July and August, I simply don't use the reeds, other than that it all falls in line all the time.   I am planning on having the organ "scratch tuned," but not until next = fall. I have found that the less you muck with the tuning, the better it sounds. If you go and adjust things every quarter like most tuning contracts out here recommend, it just makes it worse.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: Re: 8' trumpet From: "Paul Smith" <kipsmith@getgoin.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 19:04:40 -0600   Gary - Since you are flying in the ether of generalities, could you = broaden out your comments and mention which periods or types of reed = pipes this might apply to. I have several reeds from the "Golden Age" ( = 1920s and 1930s) which have been around the block. The sound of the 16' = Waldhorns (Kilgen) is very uneven, and I am curious if starting over = from scratch would help. Thanks, Kip in Mo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim McFarland=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: 8' trumpet     Gary:   What I say here applies to some, but not all reeds. I am also = speaking in glittering generalities, if you have more specific = questions, please voice them.   A trumpet from that vintage M=F6ller was constructed and voiced with = the intent that it be tuned on the scroll and not the wire. That being = said, if the stop was moved, and stored etc, it is likely that the wires = were disturbed, and therefore the first tuning should be on the wire.   If all things are as they should be, the wire is used only for = regulating.   Within a fairly narrow margin, the stop can be made louder by opening = the scroll a little, and knocking the wire up until each note is in = tune. (The inverse holds true) If previous tuners have been careless = with the scrolls and scrolled them down too far, then you could have = trouble with "leaking scrolls." Scrolls that are weak from rolling down = too far, will adversely affect the speech and tuning stability.   Usually the scrolls "live" between one and two scroll widths down from = closed. In other words, if the scroll is one inch wide, the opening = above it will be from one inch to two inches long.   If the stop is hopelessly out of regulation, and you need to figure = out where to start, you can try this. Place all scrolls about one scroll = width from the top. If the scroll seams are erratic, wavy, or just = peeled open too far, then temporarily tape them up with masking tape. On = each pipe, knock the wire down slowly while the note is playing, and = stop when the note begins to choke. At this point, knock it back up a = little bit, and finish tuning on the scroll. In no instance should you = tear into new metal while scrolling down. Once you have done this, go = back and try to even things out.   Remove the tape before it makes a mess on the pipe. If you have = scrolls which are still rolled "way up" compared to how long the seams = are open, let me know, and I will try to help you with that problem   This whole process is really not something that should be attempted by = the untrained and inexperienced. I offer these suggestions only because = they might be used by an amateur on HIS OWN house organ.     Jim               On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 13:20:32 -0600 "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> writes: HI list, I have a question. I have installed my 8' trumpet in my = residence organ. I tuned it and what a sound! It is from a Moller = organ from about 1986. What are the scrolls for on the bells of the = pipes and what do I do with them? Thanks, Gary  
(back) Subject: Re: tuning reeds - get professional advice From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:23:44 -0500     On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:03:28 -0800 "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> writes: > I'm not a professional organ tech, but in my experience, I have > always been > advised that the "scrolls" were better used for regulation, not > tuning, > because of the problems caused by too much fooling around with.       Randy:     As I said before. Some reeds are best tuned on the wire, some on the scroll. A good organ tech knows which is which. (In general, most European Production Reeds are wire-tuned, most mid-twentieth-century American reeds are scroll- tuned. Voxes are almost always wire tuned, as are many short resonatered reeds. Many Horizontal Blast Horns are wire tuned. By no means try to draw conclusions from what I just typed. I was just trying to give you a little bit of an idea of the difference.)   In you neck of the woods, scroll-tuned reeds are a blessing. You can achieve incredible tuning stability in temperate areas. Even here in Pennsylvania, when the church has heat and air-conditioning, we have many churches with scroll-tuned reeds which STAY IN TUNE YEAR AROUND. We have no wire tuned reeds which will do this.   All of this assumes that the out-of-tuneness is temperature related; and not due to dirt, loose wedges, weak tuning wires etc.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: today's music From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:20:08 EST   United Methodist Church of Red Bank, NJ Neil Brown, Director of Music/Organist   Hradetsky Tracker   Prelude: "Praeludium in D Minor" (Buxtehude).   Hymns: --"In the Cross of Christ I Glory" (Rathbun). --"Out of the Depths I Cry" (Aus tiefer Not). --"Ah, Dearest Jesus" (Herzliebster Jesu).   Choral Offertory: "God So Loved the World" (Stainer). Choir also sang Rimsky-Korsakov's setting of The Lord's Prayer.   Postlude: Improvisation on Herzliebster Jesu (yours truly).   Glorious Sunday here at the New Jersey Shore.   Neil by the Bay  
(back) Subject: Re: today's music From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 18:32:47 -0800 (PST)   Presentation of Confirmands into the Congregational-UCC Immanuel UCC Preluding: Improvisation on Kingsfold Burkhardt Processional Hymn: The Churchs One Foundation Aurelia Anthem- Ave Verum Corpus W.A. Mozart Welcome of Confirmands I Was There to Hear your Borning Cry Closing Hymn: Call in Partners in Christ's Service Beecher Postlude: Allegro Maestoso (Water Music) Handel/Bish Off to rest from a busy weekend!         From Desiree' T. Desiree' Hines Chicago, IL 60610 ---------------------------- For Compositions by Desiree' Frog Music Press www.frogmusic.com ------------------------------- FOR CONCERTS BY DESIREE' http://concertartist.info/bios/hines.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
(back) Subject: Re: tuning reeds - get professional advice From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 21:15:10 -0600     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:03 PM Subject: tuning reeds - get professional advice     > I'm not a professional organ tech, but in my experience, I have always been > advised that the "scrolls" were better used for regulation, not tuning, > because of the problems caused by too much fooling around with.   It depends. Some reeds are voiced to be tuned on the scroll. Other reeds are designed to be tuned on the wire. This depends on the voicer. Some voicers like to do things one way, and others like to do them another way. Some voicers even like to voice some types of reed one way and other reeds the other way. This is neither Good nor Bad. However, it is a Bad Thing = to tune reeds that were designed to be tuned on the scroll on the wire, and vice versa. As Jim McFarland quite rightly points out, 1986 Moller = Trumpets were usually voiced to be tuned on the scroll.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for Mothers' Day? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:31:35 EST   In a message dated 3/13/05 3:51:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, Keys4bach@aol.com writes:   > i will bite...."having my baby"? > > dale running and ducking but guessing most people do not remember that > song...... >   I remember it...   [smack]  
(back) Subject: Re: today's music From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:38:17 -0500   Zion Lutheran Church, ELCA Hamilton, Ohio   Preludes: Benedictus Max Reger God the Father, Be Our Stay J. L. Krebs (one of his 8 pieces = for=20 trumpet and organ) Mike Engel, trumpet LBW setting 2 Hymn: Give to Our God Immortal Praise (Duke Street) Hymn: O Holy Spirit, Root of Life (Puer Nobis) Anthem: O Saviour of the World John Goss Hymn: Children of the Heavenly Father (Tryggare kan ingen vara) Offertory solo: He Never Said a Mumbalin=92 Word Moses = Hogan Dick Ruby, baritone Hymn: I Want Jesus to Walk with Me (Sojourner) Postlude: Fugue in C Minor, BWV 575 = J. S. Bach   Randy Runyon=  
(back) Subject: ludwigtone From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:42:36 EST   has anyone ever heard a genuine ludwigtone? if so, does it sound = identical to a flute celeste, or are there differences in the sounds of the two?   the reason i'm asking is functional... my choir has a nasard, but no = tierce. yet it has an erzahler and erzahler celeste. i'd like to have the = erzahler & celeste replaced with a ludwigtone, thus leaving room for an additional = rank -- a tierce.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: organ music for mother's day? From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:45:10 -0500   I do the Forest Murmurs from Wagner's Siegfried just about every year on Mother's Day. I just listen and play, but if you need an arrangement, there's Edwin H. Lemare. I think it's in volume 2 of the transcriptions.   -WG   ><BlueeyedBear@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:00:55 EST > >i'm planning a recital that just might take place on mother's day. any >suggestions as to what relevant organ music i might include? > >scot > >        
(back) Subject: Re: ludwigtone From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:34:35 EST   In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:43:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, BlueeyedBear@aol.com writes:   my choir has a nasard, but no tierce     Strangest thing! My choir has a 'nasard' (actually ours is a "nazard") = in the alto section. And, I'm fortunate to also have a "tierce." He sings a =   robust bass! [Chuckles for a Sunday evening from Missouri.]