PipeChat Digest #5225 - Thursday, March 24, 2005
 
European Organbuilding workshops in May
  by "Mark Nelson" <mark.edward.nelson@gmail.com>
Re: Mystery Composer MP3
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: music list Easter Sunday
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: Mystery Composer MP3
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Maundy Thurday Music
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
French organ registration
  by "James Burkholder" <jburkhol@ameritech.net>
Re: French organ registration
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: earth day
  by "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net>
RE: French organ registration
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: French organ registration
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: French organ registration
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: French organ registration
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
RE: French organ registration
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: European Organbuilding workshops in May From: "Mark Nelson" <mark.edward.nelson@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 09:13:38 -0500   There are 2 interesting ISO (International Society of Organbuilders) workshops (for organbuilders) coming up in May in Germany and Poland. "Organ Wind" in Stuttgart May 5-9 is in English and German and a "Restoration Issues" Worshop in Poland May 13-16 given in German.   Information: http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/ direct: http://www.internationalorganbuilders.com/nav/isonews.html   Mark Nelson Gloucester MA  
(back) Subject: Re: Mystery Composer MP3 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 07:58:44 -0800 (PST)   Hello,     Mmmmmmmm!   First thoughts Karg-Elert, but with a hint of Bairstow.   Mercifully, it seems to be free of any Howells trade-mark meanderings.   Then for some obscure reason, I thought of Gerre Hancock improvising!   (You can tell that I'm struggling!)   The Germanic influence is so strong, but there's something very American about it somehow.   OK....go for it...Leo Sowerby.   Don't ask me why!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/  
(back) Subject: RE: music list Easter Sunday From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:03:25 -0800   Organ Preludes: Bach, Jongen, Manz   Choral Introit: Fijian Singers   Hymn: "At the Lambs High Feast"   Gloria in Excelsis: John Rutter (from WLP)   The Great Alleluia (LEVAS II)   Prayers of the People, with chanted responses   Offertory: Fijian Singers Improvisation & Doxology Old 100th   Sanctus: Joel Martinson (from WLP) Fraction: (from WLP)   Communion Anthem: "Draw Us in the Spirit's Tether" Fridell   Post-Communion Hymn: "Give thanks"   Hymn: "Jesus Christ is Risen Today" (The congregation brings various small bells with them and on the last verse when the cymbelstern comes on they ring their bells in a great, loud, joyous noise!)   Postlude: Toccata (Symphony V) Widor   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: Re: Mystery Composer MP3 From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:29:26 -0800   > any guesses on the composer? who does it SOUND like? > I don't know the piece, but the strongest resemblance -- to the point of uncaniness -- is to some pieces by Paul de Maleingreau.   MAF    
(back) Subject: Maundy Thurday Music From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:37:05 EST   Maundy Thursday Music at St. John's, Bowdoin St., Boston   Solemn Mass 6:30pm   Prelude: "Ave Verum" from "Two Communions for Organ" --E. Titcomb Hymn: 1982 #315 "Thou, who at thy first Eucharist didst pray" (Song I) Ordinary of the Mass: "Missa Penitentialis"--B. Harris Psalm 78: Plainchant, mode V Tract and Verse: Plainchant, mode VIII At the Commemoration of the Mandatum: "Ubi Caritas"--Plainchant with fauxbourdons by R. Carskadden* Anthem at the Offertory: "In Monte Oliveti"--A. Bruckner Offertory Hymn: 1982 #337 "And now, O Father" (Unde et memores) Communion Motet: "Ave Verum Corpus"--E. Titcomb At the Procession of the Blessed Sacrament to the Altar of Repose: 1982 # = 329 "Pange lingua"--Plainchant, with choir and congregation in procession At the Altar of Repose: 1982 # 2-330"Tantum ergo Sacramentum"--Plainchant At the Stripping of the Altar: Ps. 22--Plainchant, mode VIII   * This arrangement of the Ubi Caritas is excellent, and suitable for both Anglican and Roman use. It can be found in the hymnal of St. Gregory of = Nyssa Episcopal Church, San Francisco. This can be ordered from St. Gregory's, = and its entire contents may be reproduced for congregational use at no charge--a great, economical, and eclectic resource.   Pax,   Bill H. D of M Church of St. John the Evangelist (Episcopal/Anglo-Catholic) Boston, MA        
(back) Subject: French organ registration From: "James Burkholder" <jburkhol@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:49:32 -0500   For some time I've been fussing with how to register French music....especially Guilmont, F. Couperin, Guilain, and Dandrieu. I'm trying to figure out whether the "Cromhorne" means just Cromhorne, or whether one can add a flute 8', 4' or something to it. The Faber Early Organ Series seems to suggest that "Cromhorne" is the base, but that other things are often/usually added.   Also, in some publications, I find "petit plein jeu". I understand plein jeu to be the montre chorus, of diapasions 8',4',2', mixture IV, and cymbal. Is the "petit plein jeu" the same voices from the positiv, or as close as that organ has available? Or is is some lesser combination, maybe leaving out cymbal or something, but still using the great organ?   Is there any real general agreement about this kind of thing, or should one just do what sounds nice for the individual instrument and to the person playing (and hopefully listening). Is there great controversy about "true French registration" as opposed to what sounds good to the present ear?      
(back) Subject: Re: French organ registration From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:04:27 -0800 (PST)   Hi James: If you can find them, Organ Literature Of The Seventeenth Century : A = Study Of Its Styles by John R. Shannon and The Language Of The Classical = French Organ, A Musical Tradition Before 1800 by Fenner Douglass would = serve to answer your questions far more authoritatively than I could in = this post.   James Burkholder <jburkhol@ameritech.net> wrote: For some time I've been fussing with how to register French music....especially Guilmont, F. Couperin, Guilain, and Dandrieu. I'm trying to figure out whether the "Cromhorne" means just Cromhorne, or whether one can add a flute 8', 4' or something to it. The Faber Early Organ Series seems to suggest that "Cromhorne" is the base, but that other things are often/usually added.   Also, in some publications, I find "petit plein jeu". I understand plein jeu to be the montre chorus, of diapasions 8',4',2', mixture IV, and cymbal. Is the "petit plein jeu" the same voices from the positiv, or as close as that organ has available? Or is is some lesser combination, maybe leaving out cymbal or something, but still using the great organ?   Is there any real general agreement about this kind of thing, or should one just do what sounds nice for the individual instrument and to the person playing (and hopefully listening). Is there great controversy about "true French registration" as opposed to what sounds good to the present ear?       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:           --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
(back) Subject: Re: earth day From: "Merry Foxworth" <m.foxworth@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:15:30 -0500   Earth and All Stars is also in the 1982 Episcopal hymnal. I'm sure the UU hymnal must be full of stuff appropriate for Earth Day??? Merry   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Merry Foxworth Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Millie & David Kenney" <kenn411@bellsouth.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:16 PM Subject: earth day     > How about "Earth and All Stars" - David N. Johnson > > . . .available as a single sheet. . .also in hymn form in the Presbyteria= n Hymnal (USA), 1990 edition > > David Kenney > > Millie & David Kenney > 135 18th Street, NE > Cleveland, TN 37311 > > (423) 473-9705 > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >        
(back) Subject: RE: French organ registration From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:20:27 +1200     >For some time I've been fussing with how to register French music....especially Guilmont, F. Couperin, Guilain, and Dandrieu. I'm trying to figure out whether the "Cromhorne" means just Cromhorne, or whether one can add a flute 8', 4' or something to it. The Faber Early Organ Series seems to suggest that "Cromhorne" is the base, but that other things are often/usually added.   In the absence of a genuine classic French organ, I think we have to use = our ears a bit. Frequently, in the absence of a good farty French-style = Cromorne anywhere near I live, I'll have to use the Choir Clarinet, but that's too thin and small so, yes, I've added flutes at 8 & 4 to give it body and volume. If the music sounds really well, then that's the key with all = music, surely. Better to have a good sound satisfying both player and listener = than something that (from the stop knobs) ought to be good but sounds awful.   >Also, in some publications, I find "petit plein jeu". I understand plein jeu to be the montre chorus, of diapasions 8',4',2', mixture IV, and cymbal. Is the "petit plein jeu" the same voices from the positiv, or as close as that organ has available? Or is is some lesser combination, maybe leaving out cymbal or something, but still using the great organ?   In the absence of a French classic organ, again, I'd say go for whatever works on the instrument you play.   > should one just do what sounds nice for the individual instrument and = to the person playing (and hopefully listening).   I, for one, believe so, provided we understand what the registration "should" sound like. So, a good dose of listening to records (in the = absence of being able to go to the original instruments), reading about the registration used then, and after that make music.   On a lot of organs I've played, there isn't even a Clarinet, let alone a Cromorne, and I've had to use a Swell 8ft Oboe, sometimes with a 4ft Principal, Gemshorn or Flute added. I believe this is legitimate, rather than not play the delightful stuff at all. Mostly, the organs I play have = no mutations at all, and certainly not the stuff for a Recit de Tierce en taille, and I've often found that an 8ft Open Diapason on the Great works wonderfully well, accompanied by a Swell 8ft flute of some kind, coupled = to the Ped.16ft Bourdon. Those three stops can be found usually on = pretty-well any kind of organ, old or new, large or very small, and it does enable me = to enjoy the music and, so they tell me, my listeners as well.   You wouldn't believe the contortions of registration I have to go through = to get satisfactory sounds on the awful 2m Allen electroids in this parish, = but the result is what counts. For example, to make the Basse de Trompette = work reasonably well, I've had to use the 16ft Swell Gedackt added to the = Trumpet 8ft. Shouldn't work, and on paper it sounds awful, but it works in the building. Similarly, for a fugue on the reeds, I have to use either the Krummhorn or the "Alterable Card" Krumet added to the Swell Trumpet to = make an acceptable sound as the Trumpet on its own just doesn't sound good at all. (Mind you, what I do isn't right either, but at least it enables me = to give a tolerably pleasant sound). If I want a Voix Humaine, there isn't = one of any kind, so I have to make do with the "Alterable Card" versions of = the Salicional and Krumet together, or maybe the 4ft "Alterable Card" Salicet with the "Alterable Card" Krumet. It's not right, but it's listenable. And = I can get away with these sorts of things far better than you might imagine, as no one else in the congregation knows what the pieces should sound = like. Even as important is the fact that no one else in the parish has heard = the music and no other organist in the parish plays it either. And so on.   Experiment, always. If you haven't got "authentic" sounds for any kind of music, keep experimenting till you find something that makes a musical result, whatever the stopknob labels might be telling you. To me, this is just as important on electronic instruments as on pipes.   Reminiscing: I have an old vinyl lp of someone classic French organ music = on the Alkmaar organ: it sounds awful there, and I'm sure a bit of creative registration, if that instrument absolutely had to be used, would have = been better than the thin stuff on the recording.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: French organ registration From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:26:47 -0500     On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:20 PM, TheShieling wrote: > If I want a Voix Humaine, there isn't one > of any kind, so I have to make do with the "Alterable Card" versions > of the > Salicional and Krumet together, or maybe the 4ft "Alterable Card" > Salicet > with the "Alterable Card" Krumet.   Ross, can't you purchase additional cards from Allen that would include a Voix Humaine?   Randy Runyon    
(back) Subject: RE: French organ registration From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:39:09 +1200   >Ross, can't you purchase additional cards from Allen that would include a Voix Humaine?   Randy, I've been in touch with Leo Cassin, the NZ agent who installed this machine, and asked for some more cards. He says the instrument is obsolete (yet only 12-14 years old!) and cards can only be bought in packets of 40 = at $240 a packet. As that would include about 37 of the 40 cards being sounds I'd not, ever, want to use, that's the end of that as far as I'm = concerned: especially as the parish has a nil music budget every year and I get not a cent honorarium for playing for about 55 services a year.   If you know of anyone who might have spare cards, or ones very very cheap, please let me know.   Regards, Ross    
(back) Subject: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 20:54:36 -0500   Well, Ross, here's hoping that someone out there in cyberspace that reads this list, or knows someone who does, within the famed seven degrees of separation that unite us all, knows how to get you that voix humaine card (and the two others you might like) without your having to buy all forty! How about it, folks?   Regards, Randy Runyon     On Mar 23, 2005, at 8:39 PM, TheShieling wrote:   >> Ross, can't you purchase additional cards from Allen that would >> include > a Voix Humaine? > > Randy, I've been in touch with Leo Cassin, the NZ agent who installed > this > machine, and asked for some more cards. He says the instrument is > obsolete > (yet only 12-14 years old!) and cards can only be bought in packets of > 40 at > $240 a packet. As that would include about 37 of the 40 cards being > sounds > I'd not, ever, want to use, that's the end of that as far as I'm > concerned: > especially as the parish has a nil music budget every year and I get > not a > cent honorarium for playing for about 55 services a year. > > If you know of anyone who might have spare cards, or ones very very > cheap, > please let me know. > > Regards, > Ross >    
(back) Subject: RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:05:36 +1200   >Well, Ross, here's hoping that someone out there in cyberspace that reads this list, or knows someone who does, within the famed seven degrees of separation that unite us all, knows how to get you that voix humaine card (and the two others you might like) without your having to buy all forty! How about it, folks?   Thanks, Randy. If anyone does have spare cards, please respond directly to me, to leave PipeChat for more edifying stuff.........   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: French organ registration From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:37:15 EST   Ross: if there is an organist around down under that has the card you = need, borrow it and get someone with a Key Punch machine to make a copy. Many government offices here still have those machines and some kindly soul = will always do you the favor.  
(back) Subject: RE: French organ registration From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:45:54 +1200   >Ross:=A0 if there is=A0an organist=A0around=A0down under=A0that has the = card you need, borrow it and get someone with a Key Punch machine to make a = copy.=A0 Many government=A0offices here=A0still have those machines and some = kindly soul will=A0always do you the favor.   Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm sure I'd find no such machine = existing in a government office these days, in this country anyway. To be honest, = though I'm sure there must be some others, I don't even know of any other = church has these Alterable Card things as I don't usually take more than a very cursory look at electronics when going church and organ crawling. ;-)   Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:40:50 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Now, it's a pity Ross didn't ask when he was over in the UK.   Between us, we could have "lifted" a REAL Cavaille-Coll Voix Humaine from the local parish church, and they'd never have noticed the loss.   An otherwise ordinary (but interesting)3-manual instrument, dating from around 1870 or so, and costing perhaps =A3300 when it was built, had a Voix Humaine added a few years later by a generous benefactor. The cost of that single rank was =A3100 !!   The combination of this lovely rank and the 4ft Harmonic Flute on the Swell, with the slow tremulant drawn, is quite ravishing.   The spooky thing is, the benefactor was a card-maker, but the cards were for the big looms in the mills, and not for a toaster.....ooops.....sorry....a digital computing organ.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK           __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/  
(back) Subject: RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:26:02 +1200   >Between us, we could have "lifted" a REAL Cavaille-Coll Voix Humaine from the local parish church, and they'd never have noticed the loss.   Hi, Colin,   Welcome back! Good to hear your voice again.   Now that Vox WOULD have been worth filching.   I guess I want a Vox for two reasons. First, for the music itself. Second, because I have two beautiful Voxes (Voces?) here at home to go into my = home organ in due course. 1. Hill Norman & Beard 1931. Bottom CC is almost 3" in diameter and about 15" long, with the boot the same length. A very big Vox, mostly spotted metal, of wondrously gravelly rich tone. 2. One of unknown make, only down to FF, and about 3/4" at that note.   Ross