PipeChat Digest #5226 - Friday, March 25, 2005
 
RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
New Digital Comparison
  by <cwalker@wellsfargo.com>
How I would make a new stop card for an Allen, from a damaged or missing 
  by "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com>
French organ registration
  by "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com>
Re: How I would make a new stop card for an Allen, from a damaged or miss
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: New Digital Comparison
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
RE: French organ registration
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: New Digital Comparison
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Piano anthologies listed on EBAY (X-posted)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Allen Organ tone cards
  by "Jack Martin" <jpmartin79848@yahoo.com>
Re: Allen Organ tone cards
  by "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net>
Stupid question for the month
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Ross' Voix Humaine
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Stupid question for the month
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: Stupid question for the month
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
Re: New Digital Comparison
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Allen cards
  by "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu>
RE: New Digital Comparison
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: French organ registration
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Rochester 4/23 Wurlitzer in Concert this Saturday evening. (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Re: New Digital Comparison
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
RE: Violence in the workshop. (was:Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:00:27 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   One of the great mysteries, to which I have never discovered the definitive answer, is how Norman & Beard produced such excellent reeds.   Of course, they bought up (and completed unfinished contracts for)the Hope-Jones interests, and branched out as builders of excellent Cinema Organs under the Christie name; presumably after the company was re-styled as Wm.Hill & Son, Norman & Beard Ltd.   It is also known that Norman & Beard did a great deal of work in producing an acceptable blend of full-toned romantic flues and reeds.   Hope-Jones also worked with them closely in developing the tonal characteristics of the original Tibia, which was the foundation for the later Wurlitzer sound.   Somewhere in the history of H.N & B, enters the name of Rundle; the father and son dynasty producing some of the finest reeds in the UK over a lengthy period. I do not with whom the elder Rundle learned his craft; perhaps it was with the Wm.Hill company, or some other. (The same quality is very evident in the Thomas Hill instrument at Sydney Town Hall, I am led to understand).   Some of the Rundle voiced reeds are positively "hair-raising" in their effect.   I always say, that when you've heard a Rundle Trumpet, you've definitely been trumpeted! As for Pedal Trombones......definite earthquake material of a very high quality.   Unfortunately, without knowing the exact date when the elder Rundle joined the firm, it is difficult to know if the really good quality of sound associated with the typical Norman & Beard orchestral ranks was his doing, or not, as the case may be. Nevertheless, Norman & Beard, by whatever process, produced some absolutely magical Orchestral Oboes, Clarinets and Vox Humanas, in addition to some fairly shattering climax and chorus reeds.   It's a funny thing, but a GOOD Vox is worth its' weight in gold, but AT LEAST 98% of them are utter rubbish, will not stay in tune and make no musical contribution whatsoever.   Anyone ever heard a GOOD Harrison & Harrison Vox Humana?   Answers on a postage stamp please!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK             --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:     > I have two beautiful Voxes (Voces?) here at > home to go into my home > organ in due course. > 1. Hill Norman & Beard 1931. Bottom CC is almost 3" > in diameter and about > 15" long, with the boot the same length. A very big > Vox, mostly spotted > metal, of wondrously gravelly rich tone. >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:40:37 -0500   On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 07:40:50PM -0800, Colin Mitchell wrote: > Hello, > > Now, it's a pity Ross didn't ask when he was over in > the UK. > > Between us, we could have "lifted" a REAL > Cavaille-Coll Voix Humaine from the local parish > church, and they'd never have noticed the loss. > > An otherwise ordinary (but interesting)3-manual > instrument, dating from around 1870 or so, and costing > perhaps ?300 when it was built, had a Voix Humaine > added a few years later by a generous benefactor. The > cost of that single rank was ?100 !! >   For a LEGAL option, buy yourself a rectangular hand punch.   Up here, any craft store will have them with the Scrapbooking, or perhaps from Ebay under "Railroadana" or "Railway" or such.   So long as the punch hole has the right width, it will work. Height only matters so much as the punch hole doesn't stray into an adjacent row.   If you have someone around who likes to tinker with electronics, it wouldn't be hard to substitute an old computer for the card reader so you could feed it arbitrary waveforms   Hmmmmm . . .    
(back) Subject: New Digital Comparison From: <cwalker@wellsfargo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:13:46 -0600   Folks, I realize that most of the folks on here are pipe organ fans, as I am too, however I am currently playing for a church that has an Allen Digital. It's about 20 years old and does a fairly decent job. Due to some problems which seem to be reoccurring a costing a lot of money to fix, the church has decided to pursue replacing it. (We're talking a two manual with about 30 stops, Sunday attendance of about 100 - not a big church). They are strongly leaning towards a Johannus but are also considering Rodgers. I think that they don't want to consider another Allen as they sort of feel burned with this one. Albeit not true, they were led to believe when they bought it that it was the last organ they would ever have to buy, which of course would not be true of anything electronic. I think they now realize they will be replacing a digital organ every couple of decades. I am interested in any thoughts you listers would have about Johannus vs. Rodgers, etc.   Craig Walker 7th Church of Christ, Scientist Minneapolis, MN          
(back) Subject: How I would make a new stop card for an Allen, from a damaged or missing card From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:17:55 -0700   Hi List,     I noticed that someone mentioned using a punch card machine, might be difficult to find.     But, here are a surprising number of businesses that have CO2 Laser cutters/engravers. Used to make engraved wood plaques, etch glass, embroidery, cut plastic, cut leather, the list goes on and on. Cuts paper extremely well.     I would take a damaged card, or even an archive photocopy of the card. = Scan the card using a graphics scanner. Then "clean up" the image using a graphics program. Plop a manila folder scrap in the laser and in about 10 seconds it would cut the outline of the card, along with all the little holes.     We have such a laser here at KK, I think it would work great.     Kind regards,     Ray     P.S. We have already used the laser to engrave draw stop knobs.    
(back) Subject: French organ registration From: "Daniel Hancock" <dhancock@brpae.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:28:38 -0600   >From: "James Burkholder" <jburkhol@ameritech.net> >Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:49:32 -0500   >For some time I've been fussing with how to register French=20 >music....especially Guilmont, F. Couperin, Guilain, and Dandrieu. I'm=20 >trying to figure out whether the "Cromhorne" means just Cromhorne, or=20 >whether one can add a flute 8', 4' or something to it. The Faber Early   >Organ Series seems to suggest that "Cromhorne" is the base, but that=20 >other things are often/usually added.=20     James--   I'm assuming by "Guilmont" you mean "Guilmant." If this is not the case, then disregard the following.   You're right about specific rules being used to register French music. But in the case of Guilmant, a composer of the late 19th century, I think the registration is more completely spelled out than that of the other baroque masters you've mentioned.   Granted, Couperin, Guilain, and Dandrieu were just as intent with their registration ideas. But what they had in mind then was the standard of the day, in many cases, and takes a little more scholarly research to accurately duplicate. In my experience, for instance, I have been taught that you can use the 4' Prestant and 8' Bourdon with the Chromhorne.   But to return to Guilmant and his contemporaries: the registration indications that they left us were in my opinion more specific. You still need a good grounding in typical practice and familiarity with the instruments that they were writing for, but I find their indications more plainly translated. Very often, every stop was specified, and if the 8' Flute was to be used with the Oboe, it said it in the music. The best thing you can do in these cases is to make sure that you have good editions of the music that faithfully display the composer's original registration markings.   Happy playing.   Daniel Hancock Springfield, Missouri  
(back) Subject: Re: How I would make a new stop card for an Allen, from a damaged or missing card From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:43:00 -0500     Dear List:   Many moons ago, we used to put our Baltimore Gas & Electric bills in the slot. The results were sometimes rather amusing.   Jim       On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:17:55 -0700 "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> writes: Hi List, I noticed that someone mentioned using a punch card machine, might be difficult to find. But, here are a surprising number of businesses that have CO2 Laser cutters/engravers. Used to make engraved wood plaques, etch glass, embroidery, cut plastic, cut leather, the list goes on and on. Cuts paper extremely well. I would take a damaged card, or even an archive photocopy of the card. Scan the card using a graphics scanner. Then =93clean up=94 the image = using a graphics program. Plop a manila folder scrap in the laser and in about 10 seconds it would cut the outline of the card, along with all the little holes. We have such a laser here at KK, I think it would work great. Kind regards, Ray P.S. We have already used the laser to engrave draw stop knobs.
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:07:03 EST   In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:14:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cwalker@wellsfargo.com writes:   I am interested in any thoughts you listers would have about Johannus vs. =   Rodgers, etc.     Rodgers although owned off shore at least has warehouse and parts in the states. Better Midi Better Samples especially the new series that ends in 8 like 968 They need to visit Ahlborn-Galanti and Viscount and Wicks. if it has to be between the two, go Rodgers.....Big Time dale ducking in Florida  
(back) Subject: RE: French organ registration From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:18:57 -0500   Let me know what model you have (engraved on a small metal plate on the back or inside the console), or at least the approximate vintage, and I might be able to help you.   -WG   >>Ross, can't you purchase additional cards from Allen that would include >> >> >a Voix Humaine? > >... > >If you know of anyone who might have spare cards, or ones very very = cheap, >please let me know. > >Regards, >Ross >  
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:24:16 -0800 (PST)   I disagree on the matter of choosing Rodgers over Johannus for several = reasons. Right off the bat, it is very "iffy" that Rodgers (never profitable for = Roland) will be around for much longer. Johannus is privately owned, (by = a billionaire) has NO debt and is now the largest E-org builder in the = world. 30 -40% of Allen's sales are now due to their Theatre Organ line, = thanks to home hobbyists. During the last several years Allen has lost = significant market share in their classical line to Johannus. Being very knowledgeable about the 2005 models of Allen, Rodgers and = Johannus, there is no doubt that Johannus has the most realistic pipe = sound. Johannus has many, many more models at various price points that = Allen and Rodgers combined. Also having been a Christian Scientist for 30 years, I will also say that = your congregation would most enjoy the tonal work of the Rembrandt and = Makin model lines. Like all Johannus organs, you get 2 complete and = separate organs in each model, one of which is Baroque. On Makin organs, = the other Intonation is English, and on the Rembrandt it is American = Romantic. If you do not care for these, draw up your own specification and = Johannus will build one for you. Remember the price quote you get from = them and then visit your Rodgers dealer. As to samples, just let your ears = guide you. Try to get the Rodgers and Johannus dealers to do a "side by = side" demo for you. Rodger's higher priced models do have some great = sounding voices as does their MX200 expander module. The Johannus voices = are more "alive" and decidedly more pipe like though. As to repairs, Rodgers does not have a good reputation for supporting = "discontinued" models. Being on E-org related lists etc., you see folks = asking how they can repair their Rodgers, and where can they get = replacements for the discontinued parts, very, very often. Like Allen, Johannus (in writing) maintains parts for EVERY organ it has = ever manufactured. You will find the costs reasonable and everything is = air shipped. I don't sell Johannus organs, but have owned one for several years now. = With my CS background, I would only advocate Johannus organs if I thought = it was the "best way" to go ...... it's a matter of Principle. I am currently "in negotiations" for a custom Johannus Monarke organ for = my home. I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't completely satisfied with = the company and their policies. Matt     Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/24/2005 9:14:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = cwalker@wellsfargo.com writes: I am interested in any thoughts you listers would have about Johannus = vs. Rodgers, etc.   Rodgers although owned off shore at least has warehouse and parts in the = states. Better Midi Better Samples especially the new series that ends in 8 like 968 They need to visit Ahlborn-Galanti and Viscount and Wicks. if it has to be between the two, go Rodgers.....Big Time dale ducking in Florida       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
(back) Subject: Piano anthologies listed on EBAY (X-posted) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:27:31 -0600 (Central Standard Time)   Hello, all.   I just wanted to post a note about the fact that I have a multi-volume anthology of piano music available for sale on EBAY. The URL will take you to volume 1 and you can do a search for "other items available for sale = from this seller" in order to come up with the other 4 volumes in this set that are listed.   Contact me at: arpschneider@starband.net if you have any questions. Here is the URL for volume 1: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=3D7310672193&ssPageName=3DADME:B:EF:US:1   Sincerely,   Richard Schneider  
(back) Subject: Allen Organ tone cards From: "Jack Martin" <jpmartin79848@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:53:13 -0800 (PST)   Last time I checked on the Allen organs website you could buy the tone cards for $6.00 each (US).   Jack Martin   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen Organ tone cards From: "REIngraham" <reingraham@stratos.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:54:17 -0500   I believe there is a minimum of 3 cards   Dick Ingraham   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Martin" <jpmartin79848@yahoo.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: Allen Organ tone cards     > Last time I checked on the Allen organs website you > could buy the tone cards for $6.00 each (US). > > Jack Martin > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 3/21/2005 > >  
(back) Subject: Stupid question for the month From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:44:42 -0600   It's regarding Franck. Last night I was playing through some possible pieces to study, mainly Franck and Bach. It occurred to me to ask which piece you would consider more difficult to play of the two, the Choral No.1 or the Choral No.2?   I for some reason had always considered No. 1 the one to start with, but started sight-reading No. 2 last night and thought it easier. Of course, some days I play some pieces better.   This week at work has been calmer, but the word is getting out that I'm with the firm, and I have lots of appointments and court next week. I had finally decided that I was giving up playing except for an occasional sub job, but my friend and mentor blew into town unexpectedly yesterday and made me play and sight-read music, organ and piano, for almost 4 hours last night. Now I'm enthused about continuing lessons. God, that means more marathon trips to Birmingham!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (rooting for Duke and Oklahoma State to make the Final Four)        
(back) Subject: Ross' Voix Humaine From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:14:09 -0600   Ross, I'm posting to the whole list because this has a broader interest. For a time, Allen did offer ONLY packs of 40 cards of the stops they apparently thought you needed most.   However, they have recently begun offering individual cards again--their answer to a friend of mine was that they went with the packs to save wear and tear on their card duplicator. This is terribly obsolete technology, and most of that sort of equipment was junked years ago.   After an exhaustive search, I found a man in Texas who could duplicate the cards and had a few made for my collection by borrowing cards from others (this was when the cards were NOT available from Allen, mind you.)   So there's a good chance you can order what you want online directly from Allen, Ross. Be sure you check the right cards. I have the old MOS-1 generation cards, and I suspect your organ is a newer model.   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Re: Stupid question for the month From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:09:24 -0600   My favorite of the three (and certainly of the two you mention) is the B Minor. That may have something to do with my Scandinavian love of the = minor mode, but I'd prefer to think it has more to do with my unflaggingly good taste. :-)   Bob Lind (hoping the Fighting Illini will take it all!)     ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenda <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Stupid question for the month     > It's regarding Franck. Last night I was playing through some possible > pieces to study, mainly Franck and Bach. It occurred to me to ask which > piece you would consider more difficult to play of the two, the Choral > No.1 or the Choral No.2?   > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > (rooting for Duke and Oklahoma State to make the Final Four)    
(back) Subject: Re: Stupid question for the month From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:25 -0600   No. 2 gets my vote as most difficult, then No. 1, and then No. 3. All = three are great fun to sight read for those of us with bifocals! <grin>   Tim Grenz   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: Stupid question for the month     > It's regarding Franck. Last night I was playing through some possible > pieces to study, mainly Franck and Bach. It occurred to me to ask which > piece you would consider more difficult to play of the two, the Choral > No.1 or the Choral No.2?    
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:29:04 EST   i respectfully say that the answer given on behalf of Johannus is = prejudiced by the fact he admits he is purchasing a Johannus product. Everyone in this business is iffy, see Austin. Parts in Europe does not equate to service in the states. Business practices aside, the line you are feeding is a salespersons line. End of = story. Lest you think i am preaching Rodgers as my favorite, we have a Heilegers = in my Chapel, speaking of rich owners now out of business and NO support. The = pipe organ is an Austin....... My favorite brand of "electronic" is Viscount followed closely by Ahlborn. = I would NOT buy a Rodgers but of the choices given, it is superior. I = would agree that the samples in Johannus are much improved. Much improved. But = the newest stuff from Rodgers is so beyond what is on the other choice it is = no contest unless you want cheaper. You still cannot beat a Walker unless you want to pay for the Marshall = organ. Just use your money wisely, and remember you are NOT the last organist at =   that church. I like that a lot actually. You are not the LAST organist. oh well, fun till the daddy takes the thread away. I will retire from this one. SHOP ALOT. GO places and Compare apples to apples. Do not compare Custom Johannus organs, and Makins with off the = rack 957 Rodgers. Use the current models of both. It will be fun and in the end BE HAPPY with what ever it is you get. dale hiding until holy hell week is over.  
(back) Subject: Allen cards From: "John Vanderlee" <jovanderlee@vassar.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:58:14 -0800   Here a response from our local Allen rep...   JOHN,   Allen's new policy is downright goofy! You pay more money and they make the choice. There was someone that hada machine that allowed you to put in an access code for the voices - this works only in the MADC & MDS type card reader since the voices were already stored in the organ. The MOS and ADC card reader actually read the harmonic structure from the card itself.   Happy Easter...   CARL    
(back) Subject: RE: New Digital Comparison From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:12:11 +1200     >I disagree on the matter of choosing Rodgers over=A0Johannus=A0for = several reasons. =A0 Against that, I'd suggest that Copeman-Hart is better than Johannus.   Ross=20    
(back) Subject: RE: French organ registration From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:14:05 +1200   >Let me know what model you have (engraved on a small metal plate on the back or inside the console), or at least the approximate vintage, and I might be able to help you.   Thanks, Walter, I shall.   Ross    
(back) Subject: Rochester 4/23 Wurlitzer in Concert this Saturday evening. (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 20:09:31 -0500   A reminder of a theater organ presentation at 8 PM on this Saturday, March =   26 featuring Rochester's own Tim Schramm performing on the RTOS Wurlitzer 4/23 in Rochester's NEW Auditorium Theatre, 885 East Main Street.   Tickets at only $15 each will go on sale at 7 PM the evening of the = concert. More information and photographs, including driving directions to the theater, are available at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ or http://RochesterTheaterOrganSociety.org .   We invite you to join us for an evening of fine theater organ = entertainment.   Submitted by: Ken Evans, RTOS Director          
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:09:57 -0600   Agreed Ross, as is Cantor. However, I don't think it reasonable to = compare a Copeman-Hart, Cantor, or other Musicom driven digital organ with = "sampled" off the shelf organs such as Johannus, Rodgers, or Allen. Musicom driven organs, being built to order, are strictly custom and far superior to = organs using sample technology in realism and sound quality IMHO. Of course nothing can replace real pipes, but Musicom driven organs come pretty = close.   Cheers,   Tim Grenz   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: RE: New Digital Comparison       >I disagree on the matter of choosing Rodgers over Johannus for several reasons.   Against that, I'd suggest that Copeman-Hart is better than Johannus.   Ross     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: RE: Violence in the workshop. (was:Allen organ voix humaine card for Ross) From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:44:48 -0800 (PST)       Hello, Actually, I may be repeating myself on pipechat, but Frank Fowler (the last MD of the Christie owned H,N & B concern) wrote to me once, and told me about(I think) Arthur Rundle, the Hill, Norman & Beard reed -voicer. Apparently, he had a very short fuse, and would erupt at the slightest provocation. Frank wrote, that he was feared by many apprentices, and if they did things wrong, or spoiled a reed, he would grab a handful of freshly cut, razor-edged brass tongues and hurl them violently at the offending party!! I guess "health & safety" was not high on the list of priorities at H,N & B! I wonder how many budding reed-voicers are now dragged around by labradors? Regards, Colin Mitchell UK       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/