PipeChat Digest #5233 - Saturday, March 26, 2005
 
Re: Easter Music - Northminster Ch., Monroe, LA
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
RE: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Digital Organ discussion
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
SWMBO
  by "george pendergraft" <gmpender@integrity.com>
Acronym
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Pipe Organs a dying breed?  I think not..
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Pipe Organs a dying breed?  I think not...
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
St. Johns in Reno
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Phoenix
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question
  by "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Pens for staves
  by "Lelia Loban" <lelialoban@earthlink.net>
Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments  Matt Responds
  by <keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments
  by <keys4bach@aol.com>
Kuhn and Rodgers
  by <keys4bach@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Easter Music - Northminster Ch., Monroe, LA From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:24:27 -0600   That is SOME Baptist Church! Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but = does it belong to the Southern Baptists, is it independent, or what? Is = there a reason for putting (Baptist) in parentheses?   I don't find you in Henderson's Directory, Sand. How much have you = written for organ, and what's published?   Bob Lind (who has just discovered a new organ composer)   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sand Lawn=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Easter Music - Northminster Ch., Monroe, LA     Northminster (Baptist) Church Monroe, LA March 27, 2004   The Preludes - (the choir) Surrexit Christus Hodie - Samuel Scheidt Easter Anthem - Philip E. Baker I Know My Redeemer Livith - G.F.Handel Worthy Is The Lamb - G.F.Handel The Prologue O Filii et Filiae - arr. Hal Hopson The Processional Hymn Christ The Lord Is Risen Today - EASTER HYMN The Introit Salvation is Created - Tschesnekoff Hymn Hail, O Festal Day - SALVA FESTA DIES The Anthem Hallelujah - The Mount of Olives - Ludwig von Beethoven The Communion Anthem Alleluia - Henryk Gorecki The Response=20 Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow LAAST UNS ERFREUEN Recessional Hymn Lift High the Cross - CRUCIFER Postlude =20 Laudes - Sand Lawn   May all have a joyous Easter celebration!   Sand Lawn  
(back) Subject: RE: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:27:12 -0500   Walter,=20   I have no problems getting service from my local Rodgers dealer here in = Florida. I would recommend their product quite highly. But I'm sure = you've seen my posts on the 'other list' to that effect as well.   Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Walter Greenwood > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 4:41 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question >=20 >=20 > Colleagues, >=20 > I both love it and hate it when this happens. Love it because I do=20 > learn a thing or two. Hate it because these religious arguments are=20 > otherwise pretty much a waste of time. I could be practicing instead. = =20 > What matters to me, whether it has pipes or chips, whether is is=20 > Pennsylvanian or Dutch or Chinese, is how it sounds, how well it=20 > functions, and how the company will treat me when it breaks. Every=20 > manufacturer has representatives here and there who will use tactics I =   > regard as unethical when they get desperate. That is not really=20 > unexpected. (Yeah, I know - I brought it up. Sorry.) I already know =   > everything I need to know about brand A. As of now I have yet to hear =   > in person the very latest from brands J and R, but I will rectify that =   > ASAP. I fully expect to be impressed. Can anyone here enlighten me = on=20 > the availablility and effectiveness of local technical service in the=20 > U.S.A. for brands J and R? >=20 > - WG >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20 >=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:32:12 -0500   SWMBO: - from Rumpole of the Old Bailey a very popular TV show. "She Who Must Be Obeyed"   "The Wife", - "Trouble and Strife!"   Bob Conway   At 04:43 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >SWMBO? Usually I'm pretty good w/ these, but what is this?!? > >nfr > > >On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 16:49:51 -0500, Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug ><cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 02:24:09PM -0600, jch wrote: > > > At 02:16 PM 3/26/05, George Pendergrafft wrote: > > > >Of course we would prefer pipes, but this is not really in the > picture for > > > >us, for a number of good reasons, at least until we build the = larger > > > >permanent church which is in our future plans, at which time we = will > want > > > >to go to pipes. > > > > > > Big question...why not now. There are many free standing pipe organs =   > (check > > > out Organ Clearing House) begging for new > > > homes. Many of them occupy a small footprint as far as space is > concerned. > > > Check them out before you completely rule > > > out going with the REAL THING. > > > > > > Jon > > > > > > > Okay, say you buy an organ, either intact or basket case, depending on > > your time and inclincation. > > > > How do you get it installed and voiced? > > > > Not like I'm gonna convince SWMBO to let me have one any time soon . . > > just askin' . . . > > :) > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > > > >-- >Nicholas F. Russotto >Somers, Connecticut >Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music >http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/ > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> >List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: SWMBO From: "george pendergraft" <gmpender@integrity.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:32:03 -0500   My brother in law pronounces that (affectioinately, of course!) "Swambo". : - )     Martha        
(back) Subject: Acronym From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:54:08 -0500   She Who Must Be Obeyed. (i.e., wife)   >"N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> > >SWMBO? Usually I'm pretty good w/ these, but what is this?!? > >nfr >        
(back) Subject: Pipe Organs a dying breed? I think not.. From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:02:56 -0500   And we all hope not, or we wouldn't be reading this. Congratulations to this, uh, nameless company. Thank God so many firms are still succeeding in the pipe organ biz.   -WG   >Monty Bennett wrote: > >... >One company I know (cough, cough LOL) is currently building a 4 manual, = a 5 >manual, and has has contracts for several other LARGE organs, and has = just >completed large 5 manual instrument. Casavant just completed a large 4 = manual in >Hickory, NC (see the cover of last month's TAO), and is building the = large >organ for Brick Presbyterian Church in NYC. >Look at the website of Fisk and see what they've got lined up. Look at = what >Sebastian has lined up at his shop. That's not even mentioning what = many, >many other builders are doing. > >... >        
(back) Subject: Re: Pipe Organs a dying breed? I think not... From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:10:25 EST   Monty brings up some very good points in his post, but let us also not = forget churches who are rescuing pipe instruments that were slated to be = discarded or parted out. My church is a prime example. Like so many others in = today's world, sadly, money was a REAL concern and hinderance, so in rescuing a = good instrument and having it rebuilt and installed into our space, it is = getting a second life of musical service and we are getting a real organ (and a good =   organ) for a fraction of what a new instrument would have cost.   Scott F. Foppiano Organist and Director of Parish Music Holy Rosary Catholic Church, Memphis, TN In te Domine speravi, non confundar in aeternum.  
(back) Subject: St. Johns in Reno From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:11:58 -0600   Actually (minor correction) St. John's in Reno is replacing an unreliable mongrel pipe organ, not an electronic, with the glorious Hutchings/Aeolian-Skinner.   It seems like the last forty or fifty years have been hard on the big builders; Some folk have crucified Wicks for daring to diversify and get into non-pipe technologies--but, hey, they seem to be surviving. AFAIK, the only other remaining historic "big builders" are Schantz and Reuter.   The so-called "boutique builders" seem to have carved out a very nice niche, though with those for whom price doesn't seem to be quite as much as an issue.   And a lot of smaller historic builders are still around--usually found more in the company of rebuilders and service firms than actually building new organs.   But all you have to do is look at the "new installations" page of The American Organist and compare to an issue of twenty years ago or more to see that the numbers are way down.   Personally, I think there will ALWAYS be a place for the "real thing." The finest electronics are, in my opinion, already superior to a deteriorating mediocre pipe organ in sound. I think in five to fifteen years, 99% of all people absolutely will not be able to tell an electronic from a pipe in terms of sound quality--assuming quality merchandise and a quality installation in a good setting for either.   So real pipes are a declining market--but there is always SOME demand for the real thing instead of the finest imitation.......and let's not forget that any electronic IS an imitation of a real thing. Indeed, the electronic installation everyone is talking about has blower sounds, shutter noises, and, no doubt, some sort of sophisticated tuning instabilities that give "life" to the instrument!   Dennis Steckley   "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened."--Dr. Seuss        
(back) Subject: Phoenix From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:20:39 -0500   I have heard the very reverby demo CD, and it sounds good, but doesn't tell me much about what they sound like in person. I have seen photographs of the inside of a Phoenix instrument, and from an engineering and workmanship point of view, it seems a little shabby. You may disagree, but it does not compare favorably with what I am used to from other makers. Look at http://www.streetsvilleunited.ca/Phoenix%20Organ.html and scroll down to the 4th picture from the bottom. Note the desktop PC power supply - not necessarily a bad thing, and the household power strip with a wall-wart hanging on it. Also, a lot of electronics out in the open - uncovered, unshielded, and unprotected. This would be OK for something I build in my basement for my own enjoyment - not OK for an institutional instrument that costs a congregation big bucks.   -WG   >From: "george pendergraft" <gmpender@integrity.com> > >... > >And was wondering, does anyone have knowledge / experience of the Phoenix >organs? Would those be "down the line" or "up the line" I wonder? > >Thanks for your patience > >Martha > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:46:51 EST   In a message dated 3/26/2005 4:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, walterg@nauticom.net writes: Can anyone here enlighten me on the availablility and effectiveness of local technical service in the U.S.A. for brands J and R? I can't speak to Brand "J", but regarding brand "R", Most local dealers = that I have done business with employed a local reparis tech. When I was in the = DC area, the church I was playing at bought a brand "R", and the dealer (at = that time) provided very good service on the one or two occasions we needed it = in the ten or so years that I played there.   Rick in VA  
(back) Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question From: "tom hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:55:50 -0600   ditto   tom   -----Original Message----- From: RMaryman@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:46:51 EST Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question   > In a message dated 3/26/2005 4:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, > walterg@nauticom.net writes: > Can anyone here enlighten me on > the availablility and effectiveness of local technical service in the > U.S.A. for brands J and R? > I can't speak to Brand "J", but regarding brand "R", Most local dealers > that > I have done business with employed a local reparis tech. When I was in > the DC > area, the church I was playing at bought a brand "R", and the dealer > (at that > time) provided very good service on the one or two occasions we needed > it in > the ten or so years that I played there. > > Rick in VA >      
(back) Subject: Re: Pens for staves From: "Lelia Loban" <lelialoban@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:22:56 -0500     Bob Conway wrote, >It went through my mind, that when I was at school, >I had a pen that would do all the five lines at once, - >rather more like a multiple pen nib, - do they still >make them now?   Speedball still makes a five-line "crow's quill" nib, made of brass, in = its line of dipping pens with easily-replaceable (pull out, push on) nibs. Speedballs are inexpensive compared to most other types of pens, by the way. The basic technology hasn't changed in hundreds of years. I own a Speedball five-line nib that I bought years ago, along with many other Speedball nibs, for use in cartooning. Art supply stores still sell Speedballs. They're great favorites with calligraphers and cartoonists.   This type of pen takes some getting used to, for people accustomed to ballpoints, as the Speedball crow's quill has no reservoir and will toss great big blots if you dip up too much ink. Practice on scrap paper = first. However, used with India ink or other calligraphy inks, the Speedball = makes a nice, old-fashioned looking staff, especially on cream or gray art = paper. If using permanent India ink, rinse the nib often with water and wipe dry on pieces of paper towel, because India ink clogs quickly. Scraping off dried ink can damage the nib.   Lelia Loban Reality is just a crutch for those who can't handle science fiction.      
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments Matt Responds From: <keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:00:36 -0500   Okay,so I can get tubes for my Model 5 Baldwin too.........i was of course = referring to computer models. WHere i had to upgrade my 301 with a new = computer because they no longer had the boards for the that model. Sorry for the inconvenience....:-) dale in Florida -----Original Message----- From: Myosotis51@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:52:57 EST Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments Matt Responds     Hello Keys4bach@aol.com,     In reference to your comment: Allen really doesn't support older models. They MAKE the customer UPDATE........not the same thing. Or, the new stuff is really old stuff tweaked. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hmmmmm...... so those WEREN'T new tubes the Allen service rep installed = into my former church's 50's Allen? Just sayin'....... Victoria   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments From: <keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:04:40 -0500   Some info is out there because of being public companies. There are = industry magazines that talk about this sort of thing......and there are = dealers and purchasers and sales persons who know. Most everything being said is fairly accurate in some way or the other. = Some of it is pure sales spin. Some of it is so accurate it is scary. = BUT,i do not know an electronic sales person who would not prefer pipes. = But we greedy organists just want more than 25 rank ranks or 10 unenclosed = ranks for play. dale a greedy organist who likes to use What God gave....... -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Best <stevebest@usadatanet.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:14:21 -0500 Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments     Is there ANYONE out there who has access to hard figures and/or = documentable evidence to support the opinions we've been reading? The = subject is interesting, but I've seen precious little that qualifies as = being more than rumor or innuendo. Steve Best in Utica, NY ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: Kuhn and Rodgers From: <keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:08:02 -0500   Kuhn knows the business and is respected, right or wrong, in the = industry--having been in it for a long time. He faithfully volunteered to = play at his ELCA church every Sunday, and can crunch numbers. Whether it is truly a good move for Rodgers only time will tell. It surely = should not stop a church from buying one. If they are on the the road to = the trash heap like Austin and others, the train won't make it there any = faster with him. dale in Florida -----Original Message----- From: Mattcinnj <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 06:07:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: New Digital Comparison-Matt's comments     Jan, I did not wish to mention this factor, but since you have brought it up = ......... from what I have heard from "the competition" and "my sources" = this is an example of very, very poor decision making. A real mis-step. Matt   Jan Nijhuis <nijhuis@email.com> wrote: Makes me wonder why an "iffy" company would go out of it's way to hire the = top brass from a competitor (Duane Kuhn and Church Organ Systems = respectivly) to head up marketing.     Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.