PipeChat Digest #5237 - Monday, March 28, 2005 Re: Lord's Prayer by <RMB10@aol.com> today's music by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> music for sunday after easter ??? by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Bizarre PipeChat Commentary by <TubaMagna@aol.com> It went splendidly by "Alan Freed" <email@example.com> Re: Trends by <RMB10@aol.com> Unsympathetic restorations by "Nathan Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Walter 's Comments by "William Chapman" <email@example.com> Re: music for sunday after easter ??? by "Shirley" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Enough Already by "jch" <email@example.com> Re: "Buggered" by "Bob Conway" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re:E-org financials by "William Chapman" <email@example.com> Re: E-org financials by "N. Russotto" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Pens for staves by "Bob Elms" <email@example.com> Easter reminiscing by "Glenda" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Larry L Cortner DMA R.I.P. x posted. by "Malcolm Wechsler" <email@example.com> Re: Unsympathetic restorations by "Harry Martenas" <firstname.lastname@example.org> today's music - Red Bank (xpost) by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Re: now for something entirely different by "Noel Stoutenburg" <email@example.com> Re: Digital Organ discussion by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Digital Organ discussion by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <email@example.com> Re: Digital Organ discussion by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
(back) Subject: Re: Lord's Prayer From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:35:49 EST The Lord's Prayer, Charles Garner published by GIA is a great anthem. = It's part of the African-American Choral Music Series that GIA publishes. It's = "classical" in style, not a gospel anthem. For a different style, the Lord's Prayer by Dello Thedford. It's a self published anthem. Thedford is a minister of music at a church in the St. = Louis area. I've got the anthem at church and can give anyone who would be = interested the contact information if they email me privately. Monty Bennett
(back) Subject: today's music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:56:25 EST music at westminster congregational ucc, spokane: prelude: Morning Has Broken, arr. Richard Kingsmore hymns: The Strife is O'er (Victory) Take Me to the Water (African-American spiritual) Because You Live, O Christ (Vruechten) Christ the Lord is Risen Today (Easter Hymn) anthem: My Eternal King, Jane Marshall solo: The Lord is My Light, Allitsen postlude: The People Respond, "Amen!", Daniel Locklair
(back) Subject: music for sunday after easter ??? From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:57:12 EST what's everyone playing for prelude & postlude NEXT sunday?
(back) Subject: Bizarre PipeChat Commentary From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:01:06 EST In a message dated 03/27/05 9:00:13 AM, email@example.com writes: "I'm not surprised ... In a place where organs like St. Bart's Armley and = St. George's Hall can be buggered without second thought, anything is possible = and nothing is sacred. - Nate" PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO THE LIST. My limited grasp of the subtleties of the = English language leaves me scratching my pointed little head...
(back) Subject: It went splendidly From: "Alan Freed" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:03:03 +0000 I know everybody's did; but I've got just this one to brag on. (Church was packed=8Bwhich is a bit unusual, even on Easter) Usual musical forces, plus: Brass quartet, string quartet; also visiting choir (39 voices): Concert Choir of Lomira High School, Lomira, Wisc. (hereinafter LHS). Pre-service choral prelude: Miserere (LHS) (Latin, a cappella) Processional: JCIRT (Easter Hymn) Anthem at Gospel Procession: Praise His Holy Name (Ken Hamptson), LHS. Bouncy Gospel, with arms waving and swaying (which was FINE; it FIT) Hymn: Christ Is Arisen (Christ ist erstanden) Cantata: Halt im Ged=E4chtnis Jesus Christ (JSB) (Hold in remembrance Jesus Christ=8B=DCbersetz supplied) (really well done!) Soprano solo at offertory: I Know that My Redeemer Liveth (Handel, of course) At communion: Ave verum corpus (Mozart) (Latin, with piano) (LHS) At the Lamb=B9s High Feast We Sing (Sonne der Gerechtigkeit) Just before Recessional: The Lord Bless You and Keep You (Peter C. Lutkin) Recessional: Christ the Lord is Risen Today (Llanfair) Postlude: Two or three festive things by the brass quartet; couldn=B9t fight my way through the mob to get them ID=B9d. So yes, except for the cantata, it was a =B3standard warhorses=B2 Sunday=8Bbut they=B9re all GOOD ones. (The preaching was wonderful, and the coffee hour MOST festive) Alan Freed, at www.stlukesnyc.org
(back) Subject: Re: Trends From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:33:26 EST Richard Huggins wrote: >I'm pretty sure you never meant to use a broad brush with that >description of people who play digital organs, but--careful! I didn't mean that people who played digital organs needed to be educated = and I don't think that is what I wrote. I simply stated that because many "organists" are untrained, they don't know about pipe organ maintenance, = rebuilding, costs associated with such things, and go on mis-information that is = fostered by other people. If they had proper education on the instrument they = would know better. Pipe organs also don't have all the gizmos and gadgets = (which I will admit can be fun!) the digitals have. When is the last time that you = played a pipe organ that had alterable voicing on it, multiple = temperaments, had a built in disk drive, auto pedal feature, or light up stops. Some pipe organs have sequencers or auto pedal features, but they are not common = place things. >I would surprise me if gizmos or sequencing capabilities would be >primary >draws over price and maintenance costs as stated reasons why a church >decides to buy a digital organ. I witnessed the demonstration of a digital organ by one of this company's district representatives a few months back. I happened to be in the piano = store while this demo was going on so I got to see and hear this first hand. = The organ committee from this church was there with the church organist--who = was obviously a left foot Lucy. He went through the perfunctory demo of a few = of the organ's stops, but then launched into the organ's MIDI features. This was = not the largest model, in fact, it was a mid-sized 2 manual hooked up to a = sound module. He had all the bells and whistles going, and by the time he had finished playing, it sounded as if the whole Charlotte symphony was = playing along with him. Well the committee was drooling, and the poor little church organist was enthralled. I knew that she would never be able to handle = the machine like he was, because when she sat down to play a few hymns, she was using = the chimes and strings. Even when the committee asked to hear a = congregational hymn, she was playing on two manuals, like on a spinet organ. The = district rep. hit a few pistons and added all sorts of MIDI sounds and made her = sound like she was something fantastic. No pipe organ representative that I know = would have pulled those kinds of stunts. They would have let the pipe organ = speak for itself and not relied on the gadgets and gizmos. As to churches without organs, just wait until one of the pillars of the church has a family wedding or funeral and wants organ music... Monty Bennett
(back) Subject: Unsympathetic restorations From: "Nathan Smith" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:47:07 -0500 Dear list, When changes are made to the organ, those changes are forever. The organ is no longer the one Grandma played, it's no longer the one Mom and Dad heard when they got Married. It's no longer the one Mr. Skinner, Mr. Harrison, or Mr. Broome created, you know, the once cohesive-sounding instrument that now has an identity crisis (romantic organ with squeaky things strapped on, or baroque organ with a 15" Tuba Mirabilis) Organs have a tendency to live longer than humans, so why mess it up for the next guy? Are you an organ-builder? Do you really think carving up the swell shades to open 90 degrees really makes a difference? Do you care that the leather is about to die within the next few years as the new Rodgers console is grafted onto the organ; you know, the one that brings the stop list to 156 "ranks" in a 200-seat A-frame Church? Then once the first change is made, it's all downhill.... "Wellll, it's already lost one pipe so it's ruined anyway... Okay Charlie! Roll in with the speaker cabinets!!!" Look at the poor Methuen Organ, would you call that a Walcker? Why take God's money away from other ministries to mess the organ up? Is it your organ to do with as you please? - Nate
(back) Subject: Re: Walter 's Comments From: "William Chapman" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:47:59 -0500 Matt: I know of business owners who have the assets owned by a spouse--nothing = to attach in a suit. I know of other business owners who hold assets in the company and then = the notes personally--needs to show a lot of debt to qualify for special government programs. I know of still other owners who shield the "company" from the property = and buildings--which they hold personally free and clear. But, the company operates at a "loss" to qualify for special treatment because it is not worth much on paper. Unless you know what is going on strategically in the background you are more than welcome to jump to any conclusion you wish--just as you have = done; but, it does not mean that that conclusion is any better or more accurate than any other thing you could come up with. Of the above #3 looked debt free on consolidated statements and filed bankruptcy first. Then, #2, qualified for special redevelopment money and built a new factory. He layed off the right number of people and made the numbers fit the government program. He made more money "resizing" the company than he could have from sales. (And, the state gave him a = wonderful new asset to depreciate for forty years.) Number 1 is the most iffy of the three above. But, that is a quality = issue. Wm. G. Chapman West Point, NY >Another factor ...... if you find out that one E-org builder is laying >folks off, and another has just completed building a new factory, you can = >surmise certain things. Likewise, if one company has no debt, and another = >one has overhead costs that can never be decreased, ... I think you can >"predict" what is "iffy" or not. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! = http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
(back) Subject: Re: music for sunday after easter ??? From: "Shirley" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:56:33 -0500 On 27 Mar 2005 at 16:57, BlueeyedBear@aol.com expounded: > what's everyone playing for prelude & postlude NEXT sunday? > Prelude - This Joyful Eastertide - Paul Bouman (Congregation is singing = this hymn at Communion. Music is in the Laudate series, Concordia, Volume 1.) Postlude - Christ Lag in Todesbaden - JSB --Shirley (playing on 4/3 on the Martin Ott pipe organ at Trinity, = Lansdale, PA, http://www.trinitylansdale.com.)
(back) Subject: Re: Enough Already From: "jch" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:55:47 -0600 At 10:39 PM 3/26/05, you wrote: >One of the biggest problems in the organ society is the unwillingness of >hardheaded know-it-all childish individuals who are too ignorant to >understand that EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION. There are >members of this list who think Allen is the most realistic sound, others >think Rodgers is most pipelike and so on. Arguably, there have been >organists who thought Baldwin and Conn had nice sounds as well. 100 years = >ago, someone liked the sound of Roosevelt, others thought Hook and >Hastings had a better product, while some chose Kimball, Hutchings, >Johnson or even Walcker. 55 yrs ago, it was a GDH Aeolian Skinner for >some, while others chose Austin, Wicks, Schlicker, Schantz, Reuter, >Moller, Casavant or the many smaller local builders. And your point is???????????
(back) Subject: Re: "Buggered" From: "Bob Conway" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:12:34 -0500 "Buggered" or "Buggered Up" It simply means that both those organs were worked on, and the end result is that they are worse tonally than they were before! "Buggered Up" is a colloquialism which properly translated into American would mean "Screwed Up" Bob Conway At 05:01 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote: >In a message dated 03/27/05 9:00:13 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org writes: > >"I'm not surprised ... In a place where organs like St. Bart's Armley and = St. >George's Hall can be buggered without second thought, anything is = possible >and nothing is sacred. >- Nate" > >PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO THE LIST. My limited grasp of the subtleties of = the >English language leaves me scratching my pointed little head... > >****************************************************************** >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:email@example.com >Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org >List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> >List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com>
(back) Subject: Re:E-org financials From: "William Chapman" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:13:54 -0500 Dear List: I may well be wrong. But, I believe Allen is a publicly traded company. = So, if you care to you may go to: http://www.business.com and look for Allen financials. (right?) Rodgers is owned by Roland. Their information is not public. However, I do = NOT believe the intention is to close Rodgers anytime soon. Refocus, yes. (They tend to do that often enough.) But, the factory is providing the product that Roland wants out of the deal. AFAIK Allen results for 2003 were something like $60.8 million with 450 employees; and, Rodgers operations estimated at $6.1 million with 159 employees. Since I have no pony in this race I don't much care about the outcome... Wm. G. Chapman West Point, NY _________________________________________________________________ Don=92t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
(back) Subject: Re: E-org financials From: "N. Russotto" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:15:14 -0500 Allen Trades on the Nasdaq under the ticker symbol AORGB. Present price per share? 63 dollars. They're doing just fine. NFRussotto On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:13:54 -0500, William Chapman <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote: > Dear List: > > I may well be wrong. But, I believe Allen is a publicly traded company. = So, > if you care to you may go to: http://www.business.com and look for Allen > financials. (right?) > > Rodgers is owned by Roland. Their information is not public. However, I = do > NOT believe the intention is to close Rodgers anytime soon. Refocus, = yes. > (They tend to do that often enough.) But, the factory is providing the > product that Roland wants out of the deal. > > AFAIK Allen results for 2003 were something like $60.8 million with 450 > employees; and, Rodgers operations estimated at $6.1 million with 159 > employees. > > Since I have no pony in this race I don't much care about the outcome... > > Wm. G. Chapman > West Point, NY > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:email@example.com > Administration: mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > List-Digest: <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:email@example.com> > > -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/
(back) Subject: Re: Pens for staves From: "Bob Elms" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:06:44 +0800 Bill, Noteworthy Composer. BE. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Lyon" <email@example.com> To: "PipeChat" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pens for staves > What is the computer program you mention? > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.4 - Release Date: 27/03/2005
(back) Subject: Easter reminiscing From: "Glenda" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:11:33 -0600 What a whirlwind life can be. I am always amazed when I start counting how old I am, or how old others are. I am flabbergasted when I look back on a 'recent' event and realize how much time has passed since the occurrence. After the recital the end of February, I didn't touch the organ for a week. I thought to myself that it was time I gave it up, grew up, settled into my new job, and started a respectable quest for the UMC (no, that's not the Methodist Church). However, for weeks afterward I was receiving complimentary and encouraging cards and calls from people about the program. Suddenly an old friend appeared on my instant messenger, heading my way and wanting to hear me play. As dear as the friend was to me, I thought, No, no, no. I can't play the recital program after a week of no practice, and I have purposefully not learned anything new. Well, he appeared, and I played organ and piano for him for about four hours. (What can I say - some people have weird hobbies, and his is listening to me play.) I nailed the program, and went on to sight-reading music. We had fun. After he left, I threw myself into the new job, so surprised and pleased at the new surroundings and the welcome I received. I again erased the organ from my mind and my resolve to learn new music, those grandiose plans to spend my lunch hours practicing Bach and Franck. This past week, my third in the new job, another instant message appeared. I thought, No, no, no. I had absolutely NOTHING to play. Besides, it was Holy Week, a time I have avoided because the services here are disappointing compared to past glories. Well, again we did another four hour marathon, and again I resolved to learn new pieces and to start practicing beginning Easter Monday. I finally decided that Good Friday I would deliver Christmas, Easter and birthday gifts to my godchildren. So like the fairy godmother I ain't I loaded up all their packages and headed to Niceville, for a glorious romp with them. I attended Good Friday service with them, and it was awful. The Episcopal church has a small Moller Artiste practice organ, a grand piano and an electric piano. I could have cheerfully done without music at all, but the musician chose of the three instruments the electric piano. We sang a mournful (meaning pitiful) "Ah! holy Jesus", and some truly dreadful little ditty during communion that I cannot remember the text. However, something wonderful happened during the service. During the Solemn Collects, I was suddenly transported back over the years to a former Good Friday service, at which they were sung and sung well by the Celebrant. The words sung themselves to me. At this point I resolved to attend one of those Easter sunrise services for Sunday that have been much maligned by the list, because I could not think of an area church where the music would be exceptionally good on Easter. However, God decided to unleash a two-day continuous thunderstorm which all but isolated us at the farm and rained out the outdoor sunrise services. As I watched the dirt trail washing away, I thought, No Easter service or egg hunt for me. But I was wrong. Sand Lawn posted his Easter service, and sent me pictures of the flower arrangements at his church. My heavens, what glorious riot of beauty, with a mountain of orchids greeting attendees in the narthex, and massive groupings of glads and lilies surrounding the altar. The service looked ambitious, and I am sure, knowing Sand like I do, that it was nothing short of awe-inspiring. It thrilled me to the marrow that there were Christians still committed to bringing their firstfruits and their best efforts to the Lord on this most holy of days. Thanks be to God. Glenda Sutton firstname.lastname@example.org
(back) Subject: Re: Larry L Cortner DMA R.I.P. x posted. From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:20:04 -0500 Wow! That is a sad bit of news. When I was up there in the late 60s and 70s, U.W.O. had two Organists on faculty who were both fine teachers and wonderful performers, who, I think it is fair to say, chose to dedicate themselves primarily to their students, while keeping the wonder of their own outstanding abilities as performers a secret mostly shared locally. In = addition to Larry, I speak of John McIntosh. I have vivid memories of both = of these men in recitals on Gabriel Kney's superb Organ at Gordon = Jeffries' old Aeolian Hall (I stood across the street weeping, and watched it burn, = as the pipes spoke in protest) and its successor in Aeolian Town Hall. I can remember clearly the playing and my reactions to it, always a feeling of great excitement. Well, thanks Hugh for those good memories and for the news. Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: Larry L Cortner DMA R.I.P. x posted. > Larry Cortner died this morning in London Ont. after an illness of some > months. Larry is well known and respected for his many years on the = Organ > Faculty at The University of Western Ontario. He will be remembered by > many of his contemporaries at Oberlin and Eastman. > A few months ago I was chatting with one of the great organists of our > time and Larry's name came up. This person had heard Larry's playing = that > won him the improvisation prize at the 1971 St. Albans Organ Festival. > His comments were that Larry's performance to win that event was one of > the > greatest performances that he had ever experienced. > Funeral arrangements are pending. > > Hugh Drogemuller > London Ont. > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- > tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- > versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to > email@example.com saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web > page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >
(back) Subject: Re: Unsympathetic restorations From: "Harry Martenas" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:03:08 -0500 > Look at the poor Methuen Organ, would you call that a Walcker? Ummm. Have you heard it? Seen it? Played it? Of course it is not a Walcker. It is not a a Treat. It is not a Skinner. It is not an Andover. It *is* marvelous. Sometimes the end result is surprising. Harry Martenas
(back) Subject: today's music - Red Bank (xpost) From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:10:29 EST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH OF RED BANK, NJ Easter Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 8:30 and 10:30 a.m. Prelude: "Resurrection Medley" (arr. N. Brown); --one of my very old piano arrangements from my Baptist days; medley = includes "O Sacred Head Now Wounded", "Man of Sorrows, What a Name", and "Up from = the Grave He Arose". Choral Introit: "Salvation is Created" (P. Tschesnokoff); -- sung in the nave, outside aisles, with a 3 1/2 second reverb, it was marvelous. Hymn: "Christ the Lord is Risen Today". Hymn Medley before sermon: -- "Lift High the Cross"; -- "And Can It Be that I Should Gain"; -- "How Great Thou Art". Choral Lord's Prayer, N. Rimksy-Korsakov. Choral Offertory: "Alleluia" (Randall Thompson). Final Hymn: "Easter People Raise Your Voices" (Regent Square). Organ Postlude: "In Dir Ist Freude" (JS Bach #615 -- I think). It was nice to be a part of a more or less un-stressful Easter. The Choir = was prepared, the organ was in tune, good crowds, but none of the = hullaballoo that I had endured in previous positions. During the first hymn, the children went throughout the sanctuary to find = the hidden alleluias (which they had buried on Lent I). Christ is risen -- Christ is risen indeed. Hallelujah! Neil Brown
(back) Subject: Re: now for something entirely different From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:23:04 -0600 Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > Besides Flor Peeters, what other Lord's Prayers are out there for the > choir? We will be at 50 or so by then. Solos? I just searched the J. W. Pepper website for "Pater Noster", and came up with 40 hits, though the first two were out of print. ns
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:33:30 -0500 On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:43:08PM -0500, N. Russotto wrote: > SWMBO? Usually I'm pretty good w/ these, but what is this?!? > She Who Must Be Obeyed.
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <email@example.com> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:38:55 -0500 On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:04:10PM -0600, jch wrote: > > The original post was in response to whether a church would have > sufficient space and inclination to install a pipe organ. It is > assumed it would be done professionally. It is not a job for amateurs > unless it is a hobby project. Didn't think so. Not my choice, but I know a few tinkerers who'd love it.
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:52:20 -0500 On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 04:04:10PM -0600, jch wrote: > At 03:43 PM 3/26/05, you wrote: > >> Okay, say you buy an organ, either intact or basket case, depending = on > >> your time and inclincation. > >> > >> How do you get it installed and voiced? > > Believe it or not...there are real people out there who are capable of > doing these things correctly....you are probably right in your > conclusion that your SWMBO would not let you spend her money on that > sort of thing. > > The original post was in response to whether a church would have > sufficient space and inclination to install a pipe organ. It is > assumed it would be done professionally. It is not a job for amateurs > unless it is a hobby project. > True enough. Unfortunatly, it's those sorts of expenses that kill of pipe organs, IME. I did two weeks of "Supply" work at a Presbyterian church near here. They had the remains of a not-bad instrument, but was in need of a lot of help. Five years later, they'd replaced it with a toaster . . Guess it's easier to raise money for "a new organ" every fifteen years then it is to keep up what they had.