PipeChat Digest #5239 - Monday, March 28, 2005
 
Re: Unsympathetic restorations
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Today's Music
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Unsympathetic Restorations
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
RE: Today's Music
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
audtition literature
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Digital Organ discussion
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Today's Music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Today's Music
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: "Radiant" is the name of the church
  by "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net>
Re: audtition literature
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: "Buggered"
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
RE: Digital Organ discussion
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a	question
  by "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu>
Re: Lord's Prayer
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Service list
  by "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com>
Re: Unsympathetic Restorations
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Service list
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a	question
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Unsympathetic restorations From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 02:53:27 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Harry makes a vital point about organ re-building.   When is restoration art, and when is it not?   When is a re-build a travesty of art, and when is it not?   Harry makes the only comment possible with reference to the Methuen "Walcker".....it "is" marvellous.   Isn't this exactly the same as the St.Bavo, Muller at Haarlem?   It is no longer a Muller....not fully "baroque"....but it is simply wonderful. The arguments still continue about the work Marcussen did, but whatever they did wrong, it miraculously worked out very right in the end.....or did it?   Holland is as divided now as it was then, and some organists just HATE the Bavo instrument!!!!!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- Harry Martenas <harry.martenas@gmail.com> wrote: > > Look at the poor Methuen Organ, would you > call that a Walcker? >   > It *is* marvelous. Sometimes the end result is > surprising.       __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/  
(back) Subject: Re: Today's Music From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:59:22 EST   Scot in Spokane wrote: hymns: The Strife is O'er (Victory) Take Me to the Water (African-American spiritual) Because You Live, O Christ (Vruechten) Christ the Lord is Risen Today (Easter Hymn)       Did you have a baptism service yesterday, too? It's really one of the lesser known spirituals. We sang it as part of our Sunrise service...we = had 19 people to be baptized (immersed) and that is what we sing while the = baptismal candidates are announced, presented, and immersed. I think it's really = exciting for church members to join on Easter--I'm so so enthused about Sunrise services, however. LOL     Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Unsympathetic Restorations From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:45:03 -0500   Dear List   >>Ummm. Have you heard it? Seen it? Played it?   I have seen and heard the organ twice, and played it once when I attended UMASS Lowell.   >>Of course it is not a Walcker. It is not a a Treat. It is not a >>Skinner. It is not an Andover.   That's exactly my point, we are rapidly approaching the point where every notable organ has been "improved", where the previous "improvements" are cited as excuses for subsequent "improvements". In actuality, such things are highly destructive (not to mention wasteful in many cases). I fault Mr. Skinner in this as well, as he replaced and sold off some ranks from that organ if I'm not mistaken (do we know where they are?).   >>It *is* marvelous. Sometimes the end result is surprising.   It seems that the end result isn't even over yet. After nuking the console, some extra sliders have been enabled with which to add even more to the organ.   My issue is that at this very time, there are still folks out there willing to drive a bulldozer through an original (or largely original) Hutchings, Skinner, Hook, etc... Or willing to put in solid state engines, change a stop here and there, carve the swell shades, shuffle pipes, which results in the endless modifications I have mentioned, as each new organist takes over.   I recently had the opportunity to meet a nice Lady who was in charge of the organ committee at their Church. The Church had saved a considerable sum of money to support the ongoing maintenance of this organ. At that time, the organ was absolutely factory fresh, even though it was 30 years old or so. The organist managed to convince the Church that they needed to add a flute and some mutations to the Great (the organ already had a proper chorus mind you), and change out a dozen fractional length reed basses for some longer ones. So, the ENTIRE organ fund was depleted adding the chestwork and pipes to this organ. The new pipes on the Great had no-sooner cooled down from being planted when the organist left the Church. The kind Lady who told me asked me "Where did our money go? We can't hear the difference at all"! The new chests are direct-electric crap by-the-way, and have received four emergency visits since their installation. Where was the advantage in doing that to the organ?   As far as Armley goes, I certainly wouldn't advocate removing the Binns action, no more than I would suggest returning St. John the Divine to it's Skinner state. However, I don't understand why the organ couldn't have been preserved in as it existed when the restoration began.   Once the horse gets out of the barn, it seems to not turn back.   - Nate    
(back) Subject: RE: Today's Music From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 06:49:32 -0600   Is it anything like the Talking Heads' version?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RMB10@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 5:59 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Today's Music   Scot in Spokane wrote: hymns: Take Me to the Water (African-American spiritual)       Did you have a baptism service yesterday, too? It's really one of the lesser known spirituals. We sang it as part of our Sunrise service...we had 19 people to be baptized (immersed) and that is what we sing while the baptismal candidates are announced, presented, and immersed. I think it's really exciting for church members to join on Easter--I'm so so enthused about Sunrise services, however. LOL        
(back) Subject: audtition literature From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:59:00 EST   I am playing a recital at university this summer and so I decided to = peruse thier music department webpage. I got to looking around at the audition requirements and was surprised to see that it had no specific = requirements, other than "two pieces in contrasting style that can demonstrate the student's technical abilities and show that they can meet the rigorous challenges of = being a music major." Well that leaves a lot to the imagination. When I went to audition at at two universities, I had specific works that were = required--a major Bach work--Prelude and Fugue or Trio Sonata, a Romantic work or a 20th = century composition. For those in academia, are the standards becoming more lax, = or is this just one institution that lets the incoming students have = flexibility, or did I apply to schools that had strict requirements?   I don't remember which Bach I did, but I had a Mendelssohn sonata, the = Franck Prelude Fugue and Variation, a movement from a Vierne Symphony all ready. =   Since one of the colleges I applied to was where I was already taking = organ lessons, the audition was waved, since the organ professor was my teacher = and the music faculty had all heard me play. At the other university (out of = town), the organ professor had me play all sorts of works in addition to my = prepared works--hymns, hymn preludes, improvise, small scale Bach works like the Cathedral, and all the scales (major and minor). Even though I waited a = year to transfer there, we stayed in touch, and when he would be in the area, he = would have me come and play for him so he could hear what I was doing. = Technically, my audition lasted over a year and probably included 20 or more works!   Just out of curiosity, what sort of works would one consider good audition =   pieces? I'm not planning on auditioning anywhere, but after readying this =   university's webpage it just got me to thinking about literature. What = Bach Preludes and Fugues would you do? What Romantic pieces? What 20th = century? What pieces DID you play?   I think we need to get off of the pipe/digital argument again, so let's = delve into something productive and talk about literature...it might make us all =   work on some new pieces. We might be introduced to some new literature, too.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:18:59 -0500   On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 12:00:29AM -0600, tom hoehn wrote: > > > So did they buy a 2 or 4 slot toaster? Or one of those rotisserie types =   > I see in restaurants? > > What kind of organ did they buy along with the toaster? >   2-slot.   They managed to avoid the alure of 32' voices and "We've the biggest toaster in town."   Sounds fairly good in their space, all things considered.    
(back) Subject: Re: Today's Music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:42:30 EST   In a message dated 3/28/05 3:59:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, RMB10@aol.com =   writes:   > Scot in Spokane wrote: > hymns: > The Strife is O'er (Victory) > Take Me to the Water (African-American spiritual) > Because You Live, O Christ (Vruechten) > Christ the Lord is Risen Today (Easter Hymn) > > > > Did you have a baptism service yesterday, too? It's really one of the > lesser known spirituals. We sang it as part of our Sunrise service...we = had > 19 > people to be baptized (immersed) and that is what we sing while the > baptismal > candidates are announced, presented, and immersed. I think it's really > exciting > for church members to join on Easter--I'm so so enthused about Sunrise > services, however. LOL   we had a baptism service in which the entire congregation was baptized. while the hymn was being sung, the pastor walked the aisles with a bowl of = water and a conifer twig... she dipped the twig in the bowl and then flung the = water in the air, so a group of people were sprinkled at the same time. it was done gracefully and was very beautiful to see. and i must admit, it saved = a LOT of time...  
(back) Subject: Re: Today's Music From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:43:10 EST   In a message dated 3/28/05 4:50:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:   > Is it anything like the Talking Heads' version? > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com   yes, just without the video.  
(back) Subject: Re: "Radiant" is the name of the church From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:44:08 -0600   Jim McFarland wrote: > > > > From this mornings NEW YORK TIMES. > > I thought this might evoke a few interesting responses from the group. > I pasted a few excerpts below and a link to the full article at the = bottom.   Talk about cultural accomodation.   He knows what he's after, of course. How about this blatantly classist/racist excerpt:   >>>>>>>>>>>>   By the following August, he had hired a direct-mail company to send out fliers to everyone in Surprise -- or at least everyone but the Spanish-speaking farm workers who lived in the town's original square mile -- inviting them to Radiant.   <<<<<<<<<<<<<<   So much for the inclusive Christian community...   John Seboldt Milwaukee, WI  
(back) Subject: Re: audtition literature From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:10:19 -0800 (PST)   The universities I have applied to all asked for 2 to 3 pieces in = contrasting styles, along with some hymns of choice. I told the professors = of organ what I would do, and they each said that I could possibly enter = at Junior level. I knew that I was going to record the Bach 533, but = debated on other pieces, particularly which big romantic or 20th century = piece. So, after a while, I decided to do Litanies. All of them said the = same thing about it, comenting on rhythmic security, especially the last = two pages. One teacher said "thank you for actually playing the correct = notes at a decent tempo in the left hand...there ARE notes there!" They = each were very enthised at my playing a piece or 2 by Florence Price, = saying they are starting to require their students to purchase music by = women and other minority organ composers. 3 out of the 5 Schools of Music = to which I have applied have already send me emails with acceptance at the = Jr. level. The others don't listen to the CD until the appointed audition dates. My current teacher, Thomas Gouwens, has been = very instrumental in assisting me with all of the preparation for = auditions. Some schools were very specific as to what they wanted to hear. McGill U = in Montreal wants a Bach PF, a trio movement or the independant Trio in D = Minor, as well Romantic and 20th cent. pieces. Southern Methodist wants a = transfer student to do a Pre Bach, a Bach, a Romantic, and a 20th century = set of works. I looked at about 10 schools, narrowing down to those that = would put me near a vibrant, progressive, and liberal city that has a good = scene for organists. That...and cost of attendance! Most were very open, = as Monty has stated, about audition repertoire. The thing all of the = teachers mentioned: Its not what you play, but HOW you play...choose which = pieces best show abilities...and upon acceptance, they brainstorm where = they would have you start in the Fall. Some will even cordially send you = back a list of scores to have at your first lesson. A few schools I looked at did not even require an audition for entrance. = Once you are matriculated into the university, and declare a Music major. = They do have you audition after entrance, to test your abilities. But, = even if you went in doing the Walcha setting of Ah Holy Jesus, they take = you as an Organ major with a chart-of-progression. That = Chart-of_progression shows what level you shoul dbe at by graduation. Organ programs and the things we do in the career are also diverse. Some = schools have different requirements for different degree tracks. = Westminster requires a person looking into the Sacred Music B Mus with = Organ principal to do a Bach, and Romantic or 20th centruy piece, then = they switch the focus to Hymn playing. Constrast that with someone who = wants a B Mus in performance. They have to do at least one piece from = memory. Florida International University wanted a B Mus Ed. applicant to = do 2 pieces in contrast. It all varies upon the school, and the degree plan you wish to take. Are any other students on the list applying for this fall?   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page
(back) Subject: Re: "Buggered" From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:13:28 +0100   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:12 AM Subject: Re: "Buggered"     > "Buggered Up" is a colloquialism which properly translated into American =   > would mean "Screwed Up"   In other words .... 'screwed' .... but by Gentlemen   H [a.k.a. a musicman happy to help our trans-Atlantic cousins get to grips with English "as she is spoke"]    
(back) Subject: RE: Digital Organ discussion From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:23:51 -0500   but what kind of organ did they buy? I've never played a toaster..   Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/TOUploads/   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:19 AM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Digital Organ discussion >=20 >=20 > On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 12:00:29AM -0600, tom hoehn wrote: > >=20 > >=20 > > So did they buy a 2 or 4 slot toaster? Or one of those=20 > rotisserie types=20 > > I see in restaurants? =20 > >=20 > > What kind of organ did they buy along with the toaster? > >=20 >=20 > 2-slot. =20 >=20 > They managed to avoid the alure of 32' voices and "We've the biggest > toaster in town." >=20 > Sounds fairly good in their space, all things considered. >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20 >=20      
(back) Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question From: "Don McClure" <McClure@cc.admin.unt.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:24:21 -0600   Similar experience in North Texas, USA--concerning brand 'R': one dealer and two independent service techs are very available,=20 and proficient.   No significant local experience with brand 'J'. I have heard some=20 struments, favorably impressed-but no service history.   dwm   >>> thoehn@theatreorgans.com 3/26/2005 6:55 PM >>> ditto   tom   -----Original Message----- From: RMaryman@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:46:51 EST Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question   > In a message dated 3/26/2005 4:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > walterg@nauticom.net writes: > Can anyone here enlighten me on=20 > the availablility and effectiveness of local technical service in the=20 > U.S.A. for brands J and R? > I can't speak to Brand "J", but regarding brand "R", Most local dealers > that=20 > I have done business with employed a local reparis tech. When I was in > the DC=20 > area, the church I was playing at bought a brand "R", and the dealer > (at that=20 > time) provided very good service on the one or two occasions we needed > it in=20 > the ten or so years that I played there.=20 >=20 > Rick in VA >=20       ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org=20 List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org=20 List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>      
(back) Subject: Re: Lord's Prayer From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:32:27 -0600   Hello, PipeChatters: A few days ago someone asked for some other settings (other than Mallotte) of The Lord's Prayer. I remember one that was published by Columbia on an LP back in about 1963-ish. This was sung by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. The setting is mostly a capella (four parts) and is quite lovely in its simplicity. I asked a friend yesterday, and he said that was by LeRoy Robertson, and was part of a larger work in the Mormon tradition. If I understood my friend correctly, the setting is taken from "Book of Mormon Oratorio." Don't hang me on that part of the report, for I have a lot of problems with proper names.   I don't get too hung up on the "Mormon" trappings offered by some folks, for music is still the international language, and it sounds the same in any church in any land. I really like a lot of the things Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings. I understand that LeRoy Robertson was a faculty member in the music department at Brigham University. F. Richard Burt ..    
(back) Subject: Service list From: "David Baker" <dgb137@mac.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:49:46 -0500   While we're sharing choir music lists, here is ours from St. Mary RC=20 Parish, Waltham, MA:   Palm Sunday Hosanna to the Son of David - Gibbons Improperium expectavit - Franz Xaver Witt (1834-1888)   Maundy Thursday - Spanish/English Ubi caritas - Durufl=E9 Solus ad victimam - Kenneth Leighton Ave verum - Randall Giles   Good Friday (pre-service recital) - Stabat Mater - Pergolesi (complete) O Faithful Cross - Eugene Englert To Thy Heavenly Banquet - Lvov Reproaches - arr by Marier   Vigil & Easter Day - anthem: Ye Choirs of New Jerusalem - C.V. Stanford Easter Day gradual: Psalm 118 - setting by Marier  
(back) Subject: Re: Unsympathetic Restorations From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:03:46 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   I would repeat my assertion that the Armley Schulze organ, is possibly more authentic than many so-called authentic reconstructions in the rest of Europe, for the simple reason that it has never been tonally changed, and the action remains pneumatic, as it was before.   But this business of "keeping things exactly as they were intended" is a bit of a romantic pipe-dream. Even some of the most valuable and authentic old organs in Holland (the one European country I actually know something about) are anything but authentic.   The Frans Casper Schnitger organ, now splendidly restored, contains the older Hagabeer pipework on which the Schnitger was based. That method of organ-building pervades the entire history of the craft in Europe, and even the most "pure" of instruments can usually be found to contain much older pipework/chests etc. Very many have much newer (18th century?) independent pedal organs, tagged on to 16th and 17th century manual divisions; the old instruments usually relying on 16ft manual divisions with pedal pull-downs.   In fact, apart from the more spectacular instruments such as the newish Marcussen at Rotterdam Cathedral, and of the course, the epic Bavo orgel at Haarlem, very few were made "of a piece."   So perhaps the idea of preservation is based on the notion that, like works of art, organs should be left as they were first intended. Unfortunately, we are talking musical instruments, and it is my own persoanl view that the music, rather than the organ, should come first.   But isn't that a terribly dangerous notion also, that the organ builder is but a servant to art?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Nathan Smith <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Dear List > > >>Ummm. Have you heard it? Seen it? Played it? > > I have seen and heard the organ twice, and > played it once when I > attended UMASS Lowell. > > >>Of course it is not a Walcker. It is not a a > Treat. It is not a > >>Skinner. It is not an Andover. > > That's exactly my point, we are rapidly > approaching the point where > every notable organ has been "improved", where the > previous > "improvements" are cited as excuses for subsequent > "improvements". In > actuality, such things are highly destructive (not > to mention wasteful > in many cases). I fault Mr. Skinner in this as > well, as he replaced > and sold off some ranks from that organ if I'm not > mistaken (do we know > where they are?). > > >>It *is* marvelous. Sometimes the end result is > surprising. > > It seems that the end result isn't even over > yet. After nuking the > console, some extra sliders have been enabled with > which to add even > more to the organ. > > My issue is that at this very time, there are > still folks out there > willing to drive a bulldozer through an original (or > largely original) > Hutchings, Skinner, Hook, etc... Or willing to put > in solid state > engines, change a stop here and there, carve the > swell shades, shuffle > pipes, which results in the endless modifications I > have mentioned, as > each new organist takes over. > > I recently had the opportunity to meet a nice > Lady who was in charge > of the organ committee at their Church. The Church > had saved a > considerable sum of money to support the ongoing > maintenance of this > organ. At that time, the organ was absolutely > factory fresh, even > though it was 30 years old or so. The organist > managed to convince the > Church that they needed to add a flute and some > mutations to the Great > (the organ already had a proper chorus mind you), > and change out a > dozen fractional length reed basses for some longer > ones. So, the > ENTIRE organ fund was depleted adding the chestwork > and pipes to this > organ. The new pipes on the Great had no-sooner > cooled down from being > planted when the organist left the Church. The kind > Lady who told me > asked me "Where did our money go? We can't hear the > difference at > all"! The new chests are direct-electric crap > by-the-way, and have > received four emergency visits since their > installation. Where was the > advantage in doing that to the organ? > > As far as Armley goes, I certainly wouldn't > advocate removing the > Binns action, no more than I would suggest returning > St. John the > Divine to it's Skinner state. However, I don't > understand why the > organ couldn't have been preserved in as it existed > when the > restoration began. > > Once the horse gets out of the barn, it seems to > not turn back. > > - Nate > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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(back) Subject: Re: Service list From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:08:00 EST   Thanks to all of you who have posted their service lists for Holy Week & Easter. It is always interesting to me to see what colleagues around the = world have presented. All of the Service Leaflets for the Church of the Heavenly Rest in NYC may = be viewed at www.heavenlyrest.org. Click on Communications. Steve Lawson Assisting Organist  
(back) Subject: Re: Not another salvo in the current flame war - just a question From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:42:59 -0600   Hello, Don:   You wrote: > No significant local experience with brand 'J'. I have heard > some struments, favorably impressed-but no service history. I'm the dealer in North Texas. What was the question? Please visit our websites: www.DorianOrgans.com and www.TempleOrgans.com   I answer all E-mail. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs Post Office Box 450522 Garland, TX 75045 972-530-7601 (desk phone-early most mornings) 214-498-6431 (Sprint PCS when NOT at my desk) ..