PipeChat Digest #5333 - Thursday, May 12, 2005
 
Re: acoustical question
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
subject line
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
RE: improvisation
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: acoustical question
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: The Wedding from HELL! (A triffle long)
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
tuning stability
  by "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net>
Re: tuning stability
  by <blueeyedbear@aol.com>
Re: The Wedding from HELL! (A triffle long)
  by <AGODRDANB@aol.com>
Re: subject line
  by <AGODRDANB@aol.com>
Re: subject line
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
another transgression
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Bats  in  your  belfry?
  by <AGODRDANB@aol.com>
RE: another transgression
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: another transgression
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com>
Re: subject line
  by <AGODRDANB@aol.com>
RE: another transgression
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
slogans
  by "Dennis Steckley" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: another transgression
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
 

(back) Subject: Re: acoustical question From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:32:38 -0400   thank you. i thought so too. but a previous organist has told me several = times that i should leave them open so that air will flow between the = chambers and keep them in tune. well, i thought that's why the shutters = opened when the organ is turned off. scot -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com To: BlueeyedBear@aol.com; pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:21:28 EDT Subject: Re: acoustical question     In a message dated 05/12/05 3:02:02 PM, blueeyedbear@aol.com writes:   << shouldn't the doors between the chambers be kept closed?>>   Of course they should. It's not a question of acoustics. Whoever is taking care of the instrument should have learned this their = first week in the business.     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>  
(back) Subject: subject line From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 14:53:28 -0700 (PDT)   Hello folks! Sorry I forgot to change the subject line when I responded to the wedding = from hell post. I intended it to make reference to the joyful joyful tune = and whether he had access to the music. I really try to keep track of the = subject line when I post. Any penances to offer? (please make it hurt. I'm a church musician and = therefore like pain) Richard   --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
(back) Subject: RE: improvisation From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:27:26 -0700   I liked Colin's term "extemporization" for those who prefer to separate basic improvisation from that of the pros. There is a big difference between "noodling," and even basic improvisation.   I've practiced, in the real sense of the word, improvisation since the mid-eighties. I've always known I had a good ear, and I've been drawn to the improvisations of Gerre Hancock and Dorothy Papadakos in particular. Dorothy's are much more "free" than those of Hancock, but they still count as good improvisation to me.   Over the last few years, I've found that listening to the CD's of these = two at bedtime has really helped me improve on the form and style of my = improvs, and thanks to a lot of hard practice, I can easily throw together a very convincing toccata now, where I didn't dream about it in 1985.   People seem to appreciate my improvised pieces (or composed pieces that sound like improvisations) more than more formal works, but I get tired of listening to "me," and I've started using composed works more exclusively during the prelude. There are several other times during the service that improvisation is required, including a significant communion time, so I = try to balance things out.   One benefit from playing a composed piece, and following it with an = improv, is that I find my "bag of tricks" expanding by trying to carry on the = style of the composition I just played.   Even Gerre Hancock will insist that improvisation is not just something = only a few are gifted with. He will say the main obstacles to good basic improvisation is the fear many musicians have of letting go of a score, = and the false idea that improvisations are not rehearsed beforehand.   +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California        
(back) Subject: Re: acoustical question From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:06:34 -0400   Scot:   The previous organist may have been correct. Up to this time, this may have been the best method to encourage airflow. A swell box with the shades open, can still lag way behind the nave in temperature changes.   We have acquired (over many years) customers who were doing this. We have installed small, quiet exhaust fans to accomplish the air flow, so that tuning doors will remain closed.   One church refused to install fans. Here, the organist closes the doors just before a service.   Jim       On Thu, 12 May 2005 17:32:38 -0400 blueeyedbear@aol.com writes: thank you. i thought so too. but a previous organist has told me several times that i should leave them open so that air will flow between the chambers and keep them in tune. well, i thought that's why the shutters opened when the organ is turned off.   scot -----Original Message----- From: TubaMagna@aol.com To: BlueeyedBear@aol.com; pipechat@pipechat.org Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 15:21:28 EDT Subject: Re: acoustical question     In a message dated 05/12/05 3:02:02 PM, blueeyedbear@aol.com writes:   << shouldn't the doors between the chambers be kept closed?>>   Of course they should. It's not a question of acoustics. Whoever is taking care of the instrument should have learned this their first week in the business.     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>
(back) Subject: Re: The Wedding from HELL! (A triffle long) From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:11:20 -0700   Curious as well. While it is a fairly common hymn, I know it's not in my main hymnal, nor in the hymn books of the last two chruches I attended. (I can't say I ever recall singing it in church.)   Freude, schoener Goetterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium, Wir betreten feuertrunken, Himmlische, dein Heiligtum. Deine Zauber binden wieder Was der Mode Schwert geteilt Bettler werden Fuerstenbrueder Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt.   On 5/12/05, Richard Hazelip <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> wrote: > >FYI most Hymnals have the Hymn "Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee' whic= h=20 > is of course from Beethovens 9Th and makes a real nifty=20 > processional, especially if the organ has Enchamade Trumpets!<=20 > =20 > So - did the hymnal not have Joyful Joyful?=20 > just curious! > =20 > Richard >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.=20 >=20 >=20     --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: tuning stability From: "Randy Terry" <randy@peacham.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:14:19 -0700   I too, resort to opening chamber doors and running a fan overnight during the summer to even out the temperature.     Our instrument is in a rear gallery which one has to have two different sub-masters to access, but if I was not sure I could control access to the gallery that is the last thing I would do!     +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   Randy Terry   Music Minister   The Episcopal Church of St. Peter   Redwood City, California      
(back) Subject: Re: tuning stability From: <blueeyedbear@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 19:57:37 -0400   i've been at this church for almost a year now, so i've experienced all = four seasons. what i find interesting is that the divisions are not out = of tune with each other. in fact, each division has only a very few = notes out of tune at all, and the last time it was tuned was last october. also, even if the doors between the chambers are left open, there would be = minimal airflow between them, since they all exchange air from the same = place to begin with (the chancel), and the doors are smaller than standard = sized doors anyway. yet the area the shutters cover is quite large. basically, i'm getting a little miffed at being told by a former organist = to leave the doors open when i really don't want to, and am looking for = some support for my case. besides, for the first time in my life i have = an instrument with shutters that actually do go from PP to FF. scot -----Original Message----- From: Randy Terry <randy@peacham.homeip.net> To: 'PipeChat' <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 16:14:19 -0700 Subject: tuning stability     I too, resort to opening chamber doors and running a fan overnight during = the summer to even out the temperature. Our instrument is in a rear gallery which one has to have two different = sub-masters to access, but if I was not sure I could control access to the = gallery that is the last thing I would do! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Randy Terry Music Minister The Episcopal Church of St. Peter Redwood City, California  
(back) Subject: Re: The Wedding from HELL! (A triffle long) From: <AGODRDANB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:16:23 EDT   It was not in the 1940 Hymnal, (Episcopal) however it is in = the 1980 version, I have also found it in the Methodist Hymnal, Regards to all Dr. Dan  
(back) Subject: Re: subject line From: <AGODRDANB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:26:23 EDT   Hello Richard, When I was forced into service as an emergency replacement for = the 'lost organist' the only music at hand was the 1982 Anglican hymnal. I had a = few choices but I thought Joyful, Joyful appropriate somehow, and besides I knew it quite well and it lends itself to key = changes and improvisation very well. It might be interesting to hear if other list members have had = to grab what was handy in similar situations! Regards to all Dr.Dan  
(back) Subject: Re: subject line From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:35:44 -0700 (PDT)   Thanks for your post. I think I was just curious whether you needed the = tune and it was not in the hymnal, or it was there and you were just = keeping things going until something happened? I am soon to finish my doctorate in organ performance and study with = Robert Bates at University of Houston. Is your doctorate in music? = Details please . . . I like to snoop. (if you don't mind telling, of = course). Richard   AGODRDANB@aol.com wrote: Hello Richard, When I was forced into service as an emergency replacement for = the 'lost organist' the only music at hand was the 1982 Anglican hymnal. I had a = few choices but I thought Joyful, Joyful appropriate somehow, and = besides I knew it quite well and it lends itself to key changes = and improvisation very well. It might be interesting to hear if other list members have had = to grab what was handy in similar situations! Regards to all Dr.Dan   --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out!
(back) Subject: another transgression From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:37:54 -0700 (PDT)   Blast it all I wish the To: block would reference the person making the = post and not the list. I am sorry to send personal posts to all of you. = Please forgive. That last post was destined for Dr. Dan. Bowing my head and blushing in shame hoping someone will really hurt me = this time. (please? please?) Richard   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Bats in your belfry? From: <AGODRDANB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:40:20 EDT   Dear list, here's a good one. This recollection came to me while reading the thread about = should the doors be closed or open to permit air flow. Some time ago I was organist in a small Episcopal Church in = the Diocese of Chicago. As is the custom our little church had a =   bell in the belfry, the rope came through an opening in the roof, and directly into the sanctuary. This belfry had a loyal congregation of bats who it seems, = enjoyed sleeping with their little batty feet hanging onto the rope, often when the bell was rung an unsuspecting bat was pulled = into the sanctuary where he awoke and would fly around the church, for some reason they loved to hide in = the organ. (Which by the way was a real jewel, 2m8 Howell from Dixon Il.) = In the summer when I would start the blower and open the = swell shutters a small swarm of bats would fly out of the pipe facade. I should think this a very compelling argument for leaving the Swell shutters open to facilitate air flow and bat egress! Regards Dr. Dan  
(back) Subject: RE: another transgression From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 12:51:26 +1200     >Bowing my head and blushing in shame hoping someone will really hurt me this time.=A0 (please? please?) =A0 If you really are a masochist and want to be hurt - then I refuse to do = so. :-)   Ross=20    
(back) Subject: RE: another transgression From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:47:59 -0700 (PDT)   curse you! foiled again! you just knew how to hit below the belt!!! Thanks for giving me a laugh! I have always wondered: does your email name have some significance? I = have never heard of a shieling... rh   TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   >Bowing my head and blushing in shame hoping someone will really hurt me this time. (please? please?) If you really are a masochist and want to be hurt - then I refuse to do = so. :-)   Ross     ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:     --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it = out!
(back) Subject: Re: subject line From: <AGODRDANB@aol.com> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:57:02 EDT   Howdy Richard, Thanks for your question. Alas my PhD is in Engineering (Photo-instrumentation) not Music, however I do hold a Masters in Keyboard perfomance. Sadly in the last few years Diabetes has made it very difficult to play the recitals that = I once lived for. ( Often with Diabetes a condition known as peripheral nueropathy causes you to loose feeling in one's feet, and fingers) You can imagine how difficult this makes playing, unless of course you are playing contemorary French literature, = and then no one notices. Regards, Dr. Dan  
(back) Subject: RE: another transgression From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:17:33 +1200   >curse you! foiled again!=A0you just knew how to hit below = the=A0belt!!!=A0 Thanks for giving me a laugh!   I just wish it was original - I first heard it about 20 years ago. :-) =A0 >I have always wondered: does your email name have some significance?=A0 = I have never heard of a shieling... =A0 Oh yes. It's the name of our home. Traditionally, a shieling is a = cottage up in the hills in the Scottish Highlands where the shepherd lives while tending his flock in summer. In winter he'll return himself and his = flock to lower ground.   By extension, "shieling" has almost become a kitsch word in Scotland, = being used for people's homes, motels, caravans, B&Bs, etc.etc. Here in NZ, = the word is almost unknown but as I'm a clergyman (shepherd!) it seemed appropriate to call our house that. My wife is happy enough with it.=20   Ross    
(back) Subject: slogans From: "Dennis Steckley" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:53:38 -0500   In years past, Buick had a slogan which I thought begged the question-and it would be equally appropriate for some organs: When better automobiles are built, Buick will build them. Ergo: When better pipe organs are built, N____________ will build them. Dennis Steckley For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take occasion to bless Almighty God.  
(back) Subject: Re: another transgression From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 20:58:53 -0500   At 5:37 PM -0700 5/12/05, Richard Hazelip wrote: >Blast it all I wish the To: block would reference the person making >the post and not the list. I am sorry to send personal posts to all >of you. Please forgive. That last post was destined for Dr. Dan. >   Richard   On some email lists the reply is set to go to the person posting what you are replying to but on most emails lists including this list the reply is set to go to the list as this helps with keeping the topic going. All of us, myself included, have forgotten at one time or another and sent what was supposed to be a private note to the whole list. It happens so don't worry about it.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org