PipeChat Digest #5346 - Tuesday, May 17, 2005
 
Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr>
RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com>
Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Registering Trio Sonatas
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: big bashing
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
"Broken glass" at Liverpool
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response
  by "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by <Adivds@aol.com>
Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral
  by "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "John Foss" <harkat@kat.forthnet.gr> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:33:43 +0300   > Subject: RE: big bashing > From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 17:28:32 +1200   > In fact it is too small. They have a 4m Phoenix (I think that's the = make) > electroid for leading nave singing.     The Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral is a large three manual digital instument of excellent quality. Perhaps your use of the word "electroid" = was intended to be complimentary?   There is a photo of the console at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harfo32/album?.dir=3De377&.src=3Dph&store= =3D&prodid=3D&.done=3Dhttp%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harfo32/my_photos   John Foss http://www.organsandorganistsonline.com/about.htm http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/      
(back) Subject: RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:48:11 +1200     >The Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral is a large three manual digital instument of excellent quality. Perhaps your use of the word "electroid" = was   intended to be complimentary?   "Electroid" is the term I usually use round here as I know it annoys the parish - well, our 2m Allens are 14 years old and are not good! I meant n either good nor bad by the term. From listening to recordings, only, I'd = put Phoenix just below Copeman-Hart and above both Allen and Rodgers in = quality. Would you, John?   I had an hour and a half on the Liverpool Willis when there in 1992. It = was quite an experience. The cathedral staff were exceptionally helpful and friendly, the service was excellent in all aspects (even the sermon) and = it was very special to spend a morning in that glorious building. The vast modern west window has to be one of the very greatest treasures for the eyes, anywhere. To stand on the nave bridge and stare at it is to be overwhelmed by the colour - almost drunk-making.   I don't think any organ would be big enough for the entire building as = it's just so vast, and that incredible central space really does need an organ each end of it. The nuns up the road at Paddy's Wigwam told me they love = the place, too, and often go there. Oh, if only we had a great church = somewhere near where I live here in NZ.........   Ross      
(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "Larry McGuire" <larry@duntarvie.f2s.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 10:54:56 +0100     > The nuns up the road at Paddy's Wigwam > >   What a perfectly wonderful description of that concrete monstrosity .....   Still giggling   Larry     -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.11 - Release Date: 16/05/2005    
(back) Subject: Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 05:56:07 -0400       Dear List:   I am not sure that this was mentioned.   One possible reason that the Rollschweller is better for Reger might be that the "stroke" is longer than on a crescendo pedal, affording more exacting control. The indicators are frequently rather exacting. And, most of all, the stops come on one at a time, in a somewhat controllable manner. Many of today's crescendos bring on stops in lumps, or so close together as to make control somewhat impossible.   Also, someone questioned Reger's ability as an organist. This is an old one that perhaps a few of you have not heard. Reger once wrote a reviewer who panned one of his recitals: "I am sitting in the smallest room of my house. I have your review before me. In a moment it will be behind me."     Jim  
(back) Subject: RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "TheShieling" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 22:11:27 +1200   > >The nuns up the road at Paddy's Wigwam   >What a perfectly wonderful description of that concrete monstrosity .....   Yes, Larry: it's a common term for it. It seems incredible that the magnificent Anglican Cathedral was designed by a Roman Catholic fellow in his early 20s, while the truly horrible RC Cathedral was designed by a highly-respected much-older Anglican.   Nuns always give you the low-down on things and we talked far into the = night when I stayed overnight at the RC Cenacle - what fabulously hospitable and friendly folk those sisters are. They told me they hate their cathedral as it is totally dominated by the organ: you're supposed to see the altar in the centre of the building, but all you see is the organ behind it on the east wall. Too, the place is most inflexible: the pews are all made for a particular curve in the building, so cannot be shifted at all without the whole thing becoming a mess and not fitting in physically or visually. = Too, with the very narrow windows of garish blue glass and the walls otherwise being of smooth concrete, the whole place is as if you were underground in = a showground cheap sideshow. The lantern glass may be OK, but it's so high = up you can't see it easily and it keeps cracking off little shards of glass which drop down onto the people below. Well, that and a lot more from the nuns, and I agreed with them on seeing the place myself. They said they = take their primary school kids (most of the nuns at the Cenacle were teachers) = to the Anglican Cathedral to show them, and help them to feel, what a = cathedral church should be like. They had no comment to make on the 4m Walker organ, and I've only heard it on record, but I imagine it would be of fairly = robust quality and tone.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:35:29 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Somewhere (I hope I haven't lost it!) I have a very rare book about the organs of Liverpool Cathedral.   The original intention was to have a section of the main organ on the West End bridge which Ross stood upon.   I guess the Phoenix makes up for the lack, but when it comes to big crowds, they really do need something to fill a gap.   Yes Ross! The staff (and organists) are ever so friendly at Liverpool. I have known Prof. Ian Tracey since he was 17, and he's never changed very much. He is quite unassuming and delightful company.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > To stand on the nave bridge etc...... > > I don't think any organ would be big enough for the > entire building as it's > just so vast.......     __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail  
(back) Subject: Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 03:45:58 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   A-ha!   Now this is the vital bit of knowledge I miss.   Jim states that with a rollschweller, the stops come on "one by one".....like the ark and those animals. (Oh dear! That was two by two wasn't it?)   What fascinates me is how that is achieved, and whether it is fully adjustable at the console.   However, it starts to make sense, for I have never heard a crescendo like I heard with the Walcker at Doesburg (Holland)....not a single hiccup as one hears when a general crescendo pedal is used.   More information please.   Regards, Colin Mitchell UK     --- Jim McFarland <mcfarland6@juno.com> wrote: > > > > One possible reason that the Rollschweller is better > for Reger.... the stops come on one at a time   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Registering Trio Sonatas From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:18:06 EDT   In a message dated 5/16/2005 8:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, TheShieling@xtra.co.nz writes:   the pieces are trio sonatas for organ, not meant to be exact copies of chamber groups.       Amen and hallelujah. Swiss cheese is quite delightful for trios. and it requires more talent to create Swiss cheese......the holes have to = be correct. dale in Florida Walchaizing his trios every time he plays  
(back) Subject: Re: big bashing From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:18:43 EDT   In a message dated 5/16/2005 8:22:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jlinger@aya.yale.edu writes:   The Swell Cornet V, the Great Doppelflute, the Orchestral Dulciana Mixture and the Pedal = Octave are rarely, if ever, used.         then send em to Florida----------i will use them. dale  
(back) Subject: "Broken glass" at Liverpool From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 04:20:17 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Why do churches have to be old?   The Liverpool "Mersey Funnel" (the other name for "Paddy's Wigwam") I find quite an exciting building, even if it has concrete cancer and glass falls on people periodically. It was designed by Sir Frederick Gibberd.   "Actually" Ross, the glass was the work of John Piper and Patrick Reyntiens and I seem to recall somewhat dimly, from 40 years ago, that they were at the cutting-edge of glass technology and used epoxy adhesives extensively for the first time, which may explain the falling glass!   With every colour of the visible specturum, the lantern is the largest stained-glass window in the world.   The Walker organ is impressive, but a bit of a half-way refuge between all out neo-classicism and "traditional" cathedral organ. It's an instrument I personally like, and I have played it. I'm not sure why it has a Tuba and Open Woods, but at least they do actually blend with the rest of the instrument, which is quite "glittering" in tonal quality. Then there is that horizontal trumpet, which sounds like an amplified harpsichord heard through a sustainer....a bit "thin", but it does keep people awake from time to time.   The organ was voiced by Denys Thurlow, and I think it was one of his first solo undertakings, but I may be wrong about that. In any event, there was a wonderful photograph of him asleep in a sleeping bag, high up above the cathedral floor, on top of the Great windchest, which appeared in one of the national newspapers....such is the price of dedication, as he worked through the nights when it was quiet.   Of course, the next job was the Denys Thurlow masterpiece at Blackburn Cathedral just up the road, and THAT is absolutely stunning tonally.   The acoustic is a little strange at Liverpool Metropolitan; due to the conical shape, but it is tolerable, and of course, they have an absolutely magnificent choir who sing there.   Long live modernity!   Talking of which.....look up Tokyo Catheral.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- TheShieling <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> wrote:   > > >What a perfectly wonderful description of that > concrete monstrosity ..... > > Yes, Larry..... the truly horrible RC Cathedral > was designed by a > highly-respected much-older Anglican.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response From: "Jim McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:56:54 -0400     On Tue, 17 May 2005 03:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Colin Mitchell <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> writes:   > > Jim states that with a Rollschweller, the stops come > on "one by one".....like the ark and those animals. > (Oh dear! That was two by two wasn't it?)       > What fascinates me is how that is achieved   By a simple set of sequential contacts, not totally unlike a M=F6ller Crescendo, but operated through a gear train         > whether it is fully adjustable at the console.   Classically, no. But there are norms which were followed.     Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: <Adivds@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 08:29:58 EDT   The nuns up the road at Paddy's Wigwam > >   What a perfectly wonderful description of that concrete monstrosity = .....   Still giggling   Larry     ...........................................................................= .... ......................................................... Another name for Liverpool's RC Cathedral is 'The Mersey Funnel'! Adrian.  
(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral From: "F. Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:23:46 -0600   Good Morning, John, et al:   While looking at the Phoenix at Liverpool Cathedral, I clicked through a few more, and discovered a Benedict (Deutche) organ.   Wouldn't it be something if Benedict was chosen not for its tonal properties but the name of the new Pope?   The MP3 files of some Benedict organs seem to favor the Baroque style. Even if that is true, their technology is only minutes behind in making a larger, Romantic style, if they wish.   > The Phoenix organ in Liverpool Cathedral is a large three manual > digital instument of excellent quality. Perhaps your use of the > word "electroid" was intended to be complimentary? > > There is a photo of the console at > = http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harfo32/album?.dir=3De377&.src=3Dph&store= =3D&prodid=3D&.done=3Dhttp%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/harfo32/my_photos > > John Foss     F. Richard Burt     ..