PipeChat Digest #5357 - Friday, May 20, 2005
 
Re: Gmail... a new kind of email.
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #5356 - 05/19/05
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Gmail... a new kind of email.
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
CATOE's John Peters
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: Colin
  by "Garrison W Johnson" <johnco18@comcast.net>
Re: Gmail... a new kind of email.
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Gmail... a new kind of email.
  by "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com>
Re: Gmail... a new kind of email.
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Gmail... a new kind of email. From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:01:46 -0400   And, Ladies and Gentlemen, I, as well, have 50 invites that I would be happy to give out to anyone=20 interested. There is approximately 2211 MB of space, thats 2.2 Gigabytes,= =20 and it only keeps growing. So, Come on over! NFR   On 5/19/05, Andy Lawrence <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> wrote:=20 >=20 > This is not about organs, but this is something that I think will be > of uniquely great interest to y'all, as its revolutionized > pipechatting for me: >=20 > Some may have noticed that I now use my gmail mail account rather than > my ablorgans.com <http://ablorgans.com> address. Its a free email service= =20 > like hotmail and > yahoo, but uses a much different system for archiving. Gmail is still > by invite only, and a friend sent me an invitation a while back. They > have now given me about 50 invitations to give out. >=20 > Gmail is pretty cool, as it does not use folders, but rather does a > google search (gmail stands for google mail) within your account > whenever you want to find something. So there's no sorting ever, and > you can still find whatever you want quite easily and quickly most of > the time. >=20 > But in a chatlist like this, the powers of gmail are just amazing! > The best part is that all incoming mail with the same subject header > show up as ONE ITEM in the inbox, with a number in parentheses > indicating how many messages there are with that subject, showing in > bold if there one you haven't read yet, and all the items are sorted > by most recent date, so if there's a new message the whole item moves > to the top where you can easily notice it. So each thread is already > in place and organized for you. So, for example, I've been able to > follow this thread that Colin started about German romantic > crescendos, without even looking at anything else. Its sort of like > getting an instant individual digest for every thread. I have it set > up so all emails from pipechat are flagged "pipechat", and have > blocked anything flagged "pipechat" from entering my inbox. So when I > want to see what's new with the list, I search "pipechat" and all > pipechat stuff, and only pipechat stuff, come up just as in my old > email when I used to have a filter. >=20 > I now use gmail for all my email, but another approach could be to use > it just for chatlists, and keep your old email as your normal email. >=20 > I do not get anything for sending gmail invitations. I just enjoy > this list and I'd like to give all 50 of my invitations to people on > this list if there are that many interested, because it makes using > this list amazingly easy, enough so that if many people here started > using it, I think we'd see increased quality and quantity of posts > because people would find it much easier and less time consuming to > keep up. >=20 > So if anyone wants gmail, email me privately, unless what you have to > say will interest everyone. >=20 > Ok, back to organs. >=20 > Andy >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #5356 - 05/19/05 From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:34:31 -0400   > > Thanks for getting that clarified, Nate. Very interesting about the > Woolsey Hall organ! I am fascinated every time I hear of a Skinner or > other famous organ that turns out it retained more of the previous > organ than I thought. Its encouraging, actually, to think that not > all was thrown away.     Hi List,   Indeed it is interesting, as the Skinner Organ Company did not often retain much of anything from previous organs. Sometimes you will find an Echo organ retained, and some of the earlier organs were rebuilds (Such as Saint John's Church, Bridgeport, CT, Opus 137, 1906). However, I can't think of any Skinner organs that I have seen that have any retained pipes or parts, other than the Newberry. Obviously in the Harrison years, rebuilds happened all of the time.   I'm sure most of you know about the following site, but for those who haven't seen it:   http://home.cfl.rr.com/aeolianskinner/   The Aeolian-Skinner archive site is a fascinating and useful tool for learning about various Skinner and A/S installations. They have stoplists for many more organs than they do not, and it is constantly updated with the latest finds. Mr. Scofield does an excellent job with the site.   Best,   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Gmail... a new kind of email. From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:08:03 -0500   Hi! I have 50 invites from my gmail account too. So far we've got 150 invites- we should get commission from gmail! Thanks for the post, Andy. I'm gonna start another gmail account just to use for pipechat and = piporg-l.   Blessings, Beau Surratt Organist First Congregational Church (UCC) Glen Ellyn, IL     -      
(back) Subject: CATOE's John Peters From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 18:48:01 -0500   John is hospitalized at St. Francis Hospital 355 Ridge Ave <http://www.ilohwy.com/e/evanston.htm>Evanston Illinois 60202. He has had surgery to remove his foot. He would appreciate cards from friends. Get well soon John.   Jon C. Habermaas for CATOE
(back) Subject: RE: Colin From: "Garrison W Johnson" <johnco18@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:11:41 -0400   Apology accepted, and may God Bless you.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of N. Russotto Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 7:01 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Colin     Sorry, Garrison. . . THAT deserves an apology. . . so sorry about that. Had a bit of a temper flare there     NFR   On 5/18/05, Garrison W Johnson <johnco18@comcast.net> wrote: > NFR > > If you please! There are some of us who revere the name of Christ! Please > do not mis-use it. > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of N. > Russotto > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 8:17 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Colin > > > OH COME ON Alan, don't you have a sense of humor somewhere? IT WAS A > JOKE!!!! WIth an IQ of 134, I'm not often called 'stupid', and bad > mannered? > Well, Jesus bloody Christ. Some people are just so stodgy and inane. = Come > on, now, Alan, don't be asinine. Colin got the joke, and if he asks me = to > apologize, I will. If a moderator insists that I stop making jokes, I > will. > However, until then, I see no reason why you must blanket me as an idiot in > such a way, especially because SOME people *cough* you *cough* insist on > mongering rumors that could be devastating to the Ally Pally. I would = look > forward to you and your little "unofficial" site being taken off-line. They > are damaging to us all, and a crock of crap, if I may add. > > NFR > > > On 5/18/05, alantaylor1 <alantaylor1@members.v21.co.uk> wrote: > Is there anyone else as bad mannered or quite as stupid as NFR on = this > list? There are quite a number of members of this list,NFR, that find much > of interest in Colin's postings. What a pity that you don't appear to = have > just a little of interest to say. Perhaps silence might prove your best > bet, > until you can think of something interesting to post. > > > > More, much more please Colin. > > > > > > Alan > > London > > > > You know, Colin, I think that's the shortest email I have ever seen you > write! Congratulations on learning the value of words. I figured you for = a > 'barrister' as you use three words where one is required. > :) > > > NFR > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 > > > > > > -- > Nicholas F. Russotto > Somers, Connecticut > Organist, Holy Cross PNCC > Enfield, Connecticut > Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/ > >     -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org>    
(back) Subject: Re: Gmail... a new kind of email. From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:19:32 -0400   i had a look at the Gmail Web page, - but I am unable to figure out if you =   have to change your e-mail address in order to use it.   For my part, it would be impractical for me to do that, - does any one = know?   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Gmail... a new kind of email. From: "Andy Lawrence" <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 21:49:13 -0400   Well, this depends on whether you want to use gmail for all your email, or just for pipechat. If you want to use it for pipechat, all you have to do is unsubscribe your old address from pipechat, and resubscribe with your gmail address. You can keep using your current email for all other email. That's probably what I would if changing emails was a hassle. Use the gmail for chatlists only. Andy   On 5/19/05, Bob Conway <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote: > i had a look at the Gmail Web page, - but I am unable to figure out if yo= u > have to change your e-mail address in order to use it. >=20 > For my part, it would be impractical for me to do that, - does any one kn= ow? >=20 > Bob Conway >=20 >=20 > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >=20 >  
(back) Subject: Re: Gmail... a new kind of email. From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 20:33:18 -0700   There really isn't much point of opening a second, third, &c. account with gmail because of the space allotment. The concept of filtering messages and then archiving (saving) them to their own label (read: "folder") means that you can do it all in one place. Unless you _like_ checking seven mail accounts.   A few things I'll say that haven't been mentioned about gmail yet ... they do an extremely good job of filtering out "Erectile Dysfunction", "Software for less than the cost of the Media" and "Have a romantic one night stand with a hot momma near you" ads that caused me to switch over. Even then, "Spam" automagically gets sorted to a Spam label. (None have come to me since opening my account several months ago.)   The search functions built in will let you find any archived message quickly. All messages are kept on their servers, not downloaded to yours. There's even an optional gmail notifier that sits in the system tray of your system, it announces when you have received new mail while you are connected to the net weather or not your browser is open.   Gmail is a google product, and meets with their high quality freebies like the google toolbar and picasa. They say that they are committed to keeping the product/service free ... but time will tell. (Is there any free NetZero service left?) Also, because it is free, every message thread will have a set of sponsored links at the right of the screen that you can choose to ignore (or chase at will).   OK, I didn't mean to get all googley-eyed over gmail. Let's get back to pipechattin'!   On 5/19/05, Beau Surratt <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> wrote: > Hi! > I have 50 invites from my gmail account too. So far we've got 150 > invites- we should get commission from gmail! Thanks for the post, Andy. > I'm gonna start another gmail account just to use for pipechat and piporg= -l. >=20 > Blessings, > Beau Surratt > Organist > First Congregational Church (UCC) > Glen Ellyn, IL --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Rollschweller and cone valve chests. - the response From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 00:40:37 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I'm still learning on this subject, but the general concensus seems to be that the seamless quality of the German style Rollschweller is both mechanical AND tonal. It seems.....and I have to take the word of others for this.....that the Rollschweller has a gear-train which gives a smooth operation, and allows registers to be added one by one across a wide range.   The General Crescendo pedal seems to have maybe 20 stages of operation, which means that on a 200+ stop instrument, things are coming on in lumps to some extent.   The voicing is another crucial factor. German romantic organs (even around 1860) had many subtle and blending softer registers, with absolutely no dominant reeds, and a Swell organ which was very restrained indeed. So, in the later instruments of Walcker, Soare and others, the crescendo is seamless due to the fact that nothing "suddenly" predominates in the way that a Swell reed chorus would on a Skinner or an English Harrison instrument.   I was quite taken aback by the difference when I heard the absolutely authentic Walcker at Doesburg in the Netherlands.....it dates, I think, from 1914.   The crescendo effect just seems to well up from out of nowhere, with no obvious change of overall timbre, but an awful lot more volume.   Try the same thing on a typical American or English organ of the same poeriod, and you KNOW when a Mixture is drawn, or a Swell reed and maybe even a Great Diapason.   Unfortunately, until one has actually HEARD the difference, it is almost impossible to describe it with words.......we're back to licking oil-paintings!   I "think" it is a blend of extreme tonal subtlety and homogenous voicing on the one hand, and seemingly infinite and delicate control of the registers on the other.   I don't think it has anything to do with the type of chest action, except that an English slider-chest would be heaving and clonking away, whereas the Pitman chest would remain silent in operation. (I've had to remind myself how a Pitman chest works!)   Like the Pitman, the cone-valve chest is virtually silent in operation and an awfully clever piece of kit.   I would also like to correct a possible misconception regarding Sauer and the use of electric action at Breslau. I claimed that the company grew out of Walcker, but I don't think this is necessarily the case. Sauer certainly had an employee by the name of Paul Walcker, who designed the electro-pneumatic system Sauer used, but as yet, I cannot state that he had any connection with the E.F Walcker firm.   Does anyone know if Paul Walcker was connected with the Walcker company?   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK     --- Andy Lawrence <lawrenceandy@gmail.com> wrote:   > So back to Colin's original point, I'm still trying > to understand, > Colin.     Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html