PipeChat Digest #5362 - Monday, May 23, 2005
 
Re: St. Bart's
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: St. Bart's
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: St. Bart's
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: An enigma wrapped in a mystery
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Dead organ today at church
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Dead organ today at church
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: St. Bart's
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
ooops--sorry for the confusion
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com>
Re: Dead organ today at church
  by "Bill Lyon" <wflyon@usadatanet.net>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
hymn (source) urgently needed
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: hymn (source) urgently needed - ANSWERED!
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Dead organ today at church
  by "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385
  by "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com>
Re: hymn (source) urgently needed
  by "Lee Clark" <lnj1981@yahoo.com>
Re: totally off topic, but please remember my mom
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Durufle Requiem - a question
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: A Blast from the past
  by <Justinhartz@aol.com>
Atlantic City Organs (long)
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: Durufle Requiem - a question
  by "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com>
Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 - real prices
  by "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: An enigma wrapped in a mystery - OESA
  by "Jorge Gomez" <qvixotes@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: St. Bart's From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 05:33:40 EDT   Let's get out titles straight. Preston Smith isn't going anywhere. = Preston is the Assoc. Director of Music, NOT the Assoc. Director of Music.   Ken Cowan is the Assoc. Organist at St. Bart's. He is going to head the Organ Dept. for the time being. Diane Meredith Belcher has been rehired = as part time organ instructor. The two of them will teach all the organ students = at Westminster.   Don't start rumors about Preston leaving St. Bart's, because I just talked = to him a couple of days ago and he's not going anywhere. He was just in a program with Polly Holliday (Flo, from the TV show "Alice") and he was mad = that she wouldn't say "kiss, my grits" LOL.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Bart's From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:34:39 -0500   Monty Said: Preston is the Assoc. Director of Music, NOT the Assoc. Director of Music.     Correct me if I'm, wrong, but aren't Associate Director of Music and Associate Director of Music the same thing?     NFR   --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Bart's From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:36:24 -0500   At 04:33 AM 5/22/2005, you wrote: >Let's get out titles straight. Preston Smith isn't going anywhere. = Preston >is the Assoc. Director of Music, NOT the Assoc. Director of Music.   HUH??   --TMB      
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 09:39:41 -0500   At 10:00 PM 5/21/2005, you wrote: >How can I find out the approximate cost of an Allen Q385 80 Stop/320 = Voice >Three-Manual Console, without exposing myself to continuing sales calls >from the Allen rep?   Call the rep from somebody else's church. . . ??   <giggle>   --Tim      
(back) Subject: Re: An enigma wrapped in a mystery From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 08:33:22 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   The mystery continues.   I have searched high and low for references to this huge Walcker instrument at Barcelona, but apart from the site that John mentions, and the fact that it appears on the Walcker Organs listings....nothing!   It's beyond belief.....I know that Formla One racing took place nearby, I know that the Olympics were held in the adjacent stadium and I know that Josse Carreras sang the opning "number".   I even know that there was an architectural German masterpiece (The German Hall) which was torn down the following year!   However, I have found an English speaking organ-expert in Barcelona, and await his reply.   More later.   Regards,     Colin MItchell UK     --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote: > The website you stumbled across seems to have been > http://www.magicspain.com/michael/composer.htm     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Dead organ today at church From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 11:53:33 -0500   HI list, I just got home from church today and much to my surprise, no organ. The blower worked well but no D C current to the magnets. I had = to use the piano instead. Can anyone here just give me an idea as to what = may be wrong. It worked fine last week. Thanks in advance. Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ today at church From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:15:00 EDT   Dear Gary:   The rectifier is either blown, or a fuse to it is blown. It may be a simple matter of pressing the re set button on the rectifier, or replacing it. All delicate electronic components should be plugged into a device called a line cleaner. It takes the full force of a line surge and is much more effective than a simple plug strip with so called surge protection. Don't play any organ without one including a pipe organ. It will save big bucks replacing delicate modern parts. You need a knowledgeable organ tech. out there before you can use the organ again. Some organs when installed are not properly grounded, so you need an electrician to check for that, otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:38:39 -0500   Does this mean that there is no set price for a given model of an = electronic organ? Are salespeople playing games in order to underbid = competitors, or are there a myriad options and customizations along the = way to a final product? Certainly there must be a benchmark amount = available from Allen, say I totally naively.   Bob Lind ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Keys4bach@aol.com=20     In a message dated 5/22/2005 1:21:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = nijhuis.jan@gmail.com writes: Call the local rep and ask the price, but tell him/her you're = pricing instruments and are not planning to buy .. good luck getting an accurate price.   dale in florida -one who always tells tire kickers wrong prices never = know what they may be kicking for  
(back) Subject: Re: St. Bart's From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:39:02 -0700 (PDT)   (im scratching my head) Ok...enlighten us as to the correct titles/positions tht each person = had/has at St Barts.   "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> wrote: Monty Said: Preston is the Assoc. Director of Music, NOT the Assoc. Director of Music.     Correct me if I'm, wrong, but aren't Associate Director of Music and Associate Director of Music the same thing?     NFR   -- Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/   ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:     --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour
(back) Subject: ooops--sorry for the confusion From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:51:19 EDT   I meant to say that Preston Smith is the Assoc. Director of Music, not the =   Assoc. Organist, which is the position that Ken Cowan currently holds. = Ken Cowan is taking the Head of the Organ Dept. at Westminster Choir College, = but Preston is NOT leaving St. Bartholomew's to go anywhere.   Sorry for the confusion. I was typing in haste this morning to get ready = to leave for church...I have to leave for church at 6:00 to be there for 6:30 =   music staff worship prep. before the choir gets there at 7:00 for warm-up.   Monty Bennett  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@swbell.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:56:22 -0500   The situation is pretty much the same as with automobile dealers. The = company that makes the instrument will sell it to the dealer for the = wholesale price, and the dealer will add his markup to the price. The = amount of this may depend on a number of factors, such as how strong the = competition is, how much he wants to sell to a particular customer, how = much he will be able to get from reselling a trade-in instrument, etc. A = dealer who had the opportunity to sell an instrument to, say, St. = Peter's, Rome, for example, might accept almost no profit or even a loss = in order to sell an instrument to such a prestigious place, the = publicity from which would be likely to get him many other sales. On = the other hand if he was the only outfit in town, he could charge = through the nose with impunity.   John Speller=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert Lind=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385     Does this mean that there is no set price for a given model of an = electronic organ? Are salespeople playing games in order to underbid = competitors, or are there a myriad options and customizations along the = way to a final product? Certainly there must be a benchmark amount = available from Allen, say I totally naively.   Bob Lind  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:05:01 -0400   you mean, he WOULD charge through the nose. . . everyone's out to make a=20 buck. . .=20 NFR   On 5/22/05, John L. Speller <jlspeller@swbell.net> wrote:=20 >=20 > The situation is pretty much the same as with automobile dealers. The=20 > company that makes the instrument will sell it to the dealer for the=20 > wholesale price, and the dealer will add his markup to the price. The amo= unt=20 > of this may depend on a number of factors, such as how strong the=20 > competition is, how much he wants to sell to a particular customer, how m= uch=20 > he will be able to get from reselling a trade-in instrument, etc. A deale= r=20 > who had the opportunity to sell an instrument to, say, St. Peter's, Rome,= =20 > for example, might accept almost no profit or even a loss in order to sel= l=20 > an instrument to such a prestigious place, the publicity from which would= be=20 > likely to get him many other sales. On the other hand if he was the only= =20 > outfit in town, he could charge through the nose with impunity. > John Speller=20 > =20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > *From:* Robert Lind <lindr@core.com>=20 > *To:* PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>=20 > *Sent:* Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 >=20 > Does this mean that there is no set price for a given model of an=20 > electronic organ? Are salespeople playing games in order to underbid=20 > competitors, or are there a myriad options and customizations along the w= ay=20 > to a final product? Certainly there must be a benchmark amount available= =20 > from Allen, say I totally naively. > Bob Lind >=20 >=20     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "N. Russotto" <ravenrockdesigns@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:05:31 -0400   OOPS! Sorry, all. . . I dint edit that posting. . . Mea Culpa NFR     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/  
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ today at church From: "Bill Lyon" <wflyon@usadatanet.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:03:44 -0400   Any suggestions as to brands? Thanks. Bill   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Dead organ today at church     > Dear Gary: > > The rectifier is either blown, or a fuse to it is blown. It may be > a simple matter of pressing the re set button on the rectifier, > or replacing it. All delicate electronic components should > be plugged into a device called a line cleaner. It takes the full > force of a line surge and is much more effective than a simple > plug strip with so called surge protection. Don't play any organ > without one including a pipe organ. It will save big bucks replacing > delicate modern parts. You need a knowledgeable organ > tech. out there before you can use the organ again. Some organs > when installed are not properly grounded, so you need an electrician > to check for that, otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette. > > Ron Severin > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/05 > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 14:39:36 -0500   Friends:   Regarding getting a cost for the Allen Quantum, my suggestion is to write to the local rep, or to Allen, and ask for a suggested price, because you need it for the purposes of reviewing an insurance policy..   ns      
(back) Subject: hymn (source) urgently needed From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:38:11 EDT   Apologies for intruding hastily with an "SOS" combined with an "ASAP" for = a funeral tomorrow. Can anyone steer me to an old hymn with the words (not =   necessarily the "first line" - these may be the chorus)? "I don't worry about tomorrow" 1) actual first line title 2) tune name 3) source for text and/or tune Please reply directly, if you can help me. Please accept my sincere "organistic" thank you! Dale G. Rider   , MSacredMus, CAGO Organist, Composer/Arranger, Music Engraver Independence, MO, USA  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn (source) urgently needed - ANSWERED! From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:01:18 EDT   Bud Clark sent the answer within 2 minutes of my posting the question. Who needs a search engine? Bud, you're the greatest! Dale FYI: "I Know Who Holds Tomorrow"   #96 in Hymns for the Family of God    
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ today at church From: "Charles & Maria DeVita-Krug" <cdkrug@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:44:56 -0400   On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 03:03:44PM -0400, Bill Lyon wrote: > Any suggestions as to brands? > Thanks. > Bill >   APC. Not the ones you buy at CompUSA, rather the units they sell to the server market, will perform adequately on console electronics. Look for a "fully off-line sine wave" unit.   Other manufacturers make comperable units.   Any MOV-based device WILL work, assuming it can handle the load, BUT you have to remember that MOVs (Metal Oxide Varisters) are consumable. The better ones have an indicator that shows when the MOVs are blown.   Make sure you talk to an electrical engineer NOT in the pay of your organ equipent dealer. There's TONS of snake oil peddled as "power protection" these days. Organ-biz is hardly the only nor worst offender.    
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:48:43 -0400   Well, I hate to say it, but it looks like you "dint" edit this posting = either, or, if this is current NewSpeak for the Internet, to be = perfectly consistent, it ought to be . . . "Sorry, all . . . i dint = edit that posting."   The new Esperanto is developing nicely. = www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto =20   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler www.mander-organs.com =20   ----- Original Message -----=20 From: N. Russotto=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385     OOPS! Sorry, all. . . I dint edit that posting. . .   Mea Culpa     NFR     --=20 Nicholas F. Russotto Somers, Connecticut Organist, Holy Cross PNCC Enfield, Connecticut Moderator/Owner: Monarch of Music=20 http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/monarch_of_music/
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 15:52:28 -0700   There has to be an MSRP ... what the customer pays is something entirely different, of course. I guess the rep isn't going to offer a "double the difference" guarantee if you can find it advertised for less within 90 days either.   I'm thinking Ned wasn't looking for an exact dollar figure. Just a ball park. (Hopefully somewhere between Fenway Park and Pac Bell Park.)   Just my "dollar three eighty-seven's" worth.   On 5/22/05, Keys4bach@aol.com <Keys4bach@aol.com> wrote: >=20 > In a message dated 5/22/2005 1:21:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > nijhuis.jan@gmail.com writes: > Call the local rep and ask the price, but tell him/her you're pricing > instruments and are not planning to buy .. > good luck getting an accurate price. > =20 > dale in florida -one who always tells tire kickers wrong prices never kno= w > what they may be kicking for <EG>     --=20 Jan Nijhuis nijhuis.jan@gmail.com  
(back) Subject: Re: hymn (source) urgently needed From: "Lee Clark" <lnj1981@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:47:03 -0700 (PDT)   Dale:   I met you this spring in Independence and heard you play a recital at the Community of Christ Temple there--at least if my memory is correct (and it almost never is) any way, in the LDS Hymnal there is a very, very similar hymn: No. 229 Today, While the Sun Shines, Hymn Tune Name: Constant; Composer: Evan Stephens. If you think this might be it, let me know a fax number and I'll send you a copy immediately.   Lee Clark     --- ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote: > > Apologies for intruding hastily with an "SOS" > combined with an "ASAP" for a > funeral tomorrow. Can anyone steer me to an old > hymn with the words (not > necessarily the "first line" - these may be the > chorus)? > > "I don't worry about tomorrow" > 1) actual first line title > 2) tune name > 3) source for text and/or tune > > Please reply directly, if you can help me. > > Please accept my sincere "organistic" thank you! > > Dale G. Rider > > , MSacredMus, CAGO > Organist, Composer/Arranger, Music Engraver > Independence, MO, USA >       __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: totally off topic, but please remember my mom From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:17:28 -0400   On 5/1/05 5:23 AM, "SWF12262@aol.com" <SWF12262@aol.com> wrote:   > My mother Jacqueline Fern Folkers (nee Weyand) passed away yesterday. I = would > request that you please remember her in your prayers.   Steve. I=B9m WAY behind on my mail. Being Lutheran, remembering your mother in our prayers is just fine with us. Consider it done, at Saint Luke=B9s Lutheran Church, Manhattan, during the coming several weeks.   Alan      
(back) Subject: Durufle Requiem - a question From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:42:55 -0500   For those who've done it. Did you do it with orchestra, or did the organ carry the entire accompaniment? I know it's written for the former.   If with orchestra, how big an ensemble is necessary for a group of singers of about 24?   Thanks. It had been a while since I came up with a stupid question. Wanted to keep you all on your toes.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: A Blast from the past From: <Justinhartz@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 23:12:30 EDT   If the Allen Diapason sounded very quinty, I'd be willing to bet it = was one of those one tone generator models. All of the stops were made up from = one flute generator. If this was the case, the Diapason would be composed of = 8' and 2 2/3 Flutes at the same volume. You could compare this with a Hammond, which utilizes the tone = generator to produce a sine wave flute. At least with Hammond, you can control the volume of the overtones :) I'm not Allen bashing or Hammond bashing - just speaking from = experience.   Cheers,   Justin  
(back) Subject: Atlantic City Organs (long) From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:00:01 -0400   Dear List,   I have nothing but respect for the various people who are working together to bring the two Atlantic City Organs back to life. The pair of instruments have seen more hard times than just about any other organ on earth, from the depression, to the bankruptcy of Midmer-Losh (When did Kimball go under?), hurricanes, roof leaks, floods, steam pipes, and baking in the dry heat of day, cement dust and squishing of pipes during the recent hall rennovation, to say nothing of what people think about the organs.   I am also pretty excited that the organs now have over $1 million to their name, and that the ball is finally rolling on their eventual restoration.   Mind you, I am as far out of the loop concerning these instruments as can be, and have nothing but admiration for the people involved. That being said, I can't understand why the money is being split between the two organs to fund restoration efforts, and not used to provide a full time staff of curators. Here are some of my reasons:   Not a lot of dough...   If the 1.17 million (or whatever it is) is split evenly between the two organs, we'd be talking just shy of $600,000 each. In my mind, $600K would not go a long way in either instrument, especially considering the fact that the Kimball relay has to be essentially completely rewired (thanks to the cable being chopped up), and there is much damage to the right stage chamber pipework on the big organ (the one that was working prior to the hall renovation), which is huge as it is!   Less bang for the buck...   Factor into the equation that profit and transportation expenses would have to be paid if an outside firm were hired.   Why not fund the curatorships with the interest from this money?   Instant Gratification...   The crew could immediately start work on the organs.   The gift that keeps on giving...   With proper budgeting and investment of the principal, the expenditures would be calculated, and never outpaced by the work performed on the instruments. The principal balance could be maintained in order to provide for the service of the instruments indefinitely. Even if the fund were to be depleted in order to fund the curatorships, it would probably last a great many years.   Great on-the-job training...   It seems to me that getting dirty in the organ and restoring it would be a great way to learn the instrument and how to make it happy, and only serve to make a better curator.   Knowledge chain of custody...   Again, it would be a great thing to have the knowledge of the instrument remain with the caretakers, and to provide a continuous exchange of that knowledge down the line to future curators.         Well, there you have it.   - Nate    
(back) Subject: Re: Durufle Requiem - a question From: "Scott A Montgomery" <montre1978@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 22:17:29 -0700 (PDT)   I had a friend do this work, and it was all on the organ. It was quite = successful, but it was a huge organ with lots of color stops. Hope it helps some.     Glenda <gksjd85@direcway.com> wrote: For those who've done it. Did you do it with orchestra, or did the organ carry the entire accompaniment? I know it's written for the former.   If with orchestra, how big an ensemble is necessary for a group of singers of about 24?   Thanks. It had been a while since I came up with a stupid question. Wanted to keep you all on your toes.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com           ****************************************************************** "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org List-Subscribe: List-Digest: List-Unsubscribe:         Scott Montgomery 619 W Church St Champaign, IL 61820 217-390-0158 www.ScottMontgomeryMusic.net  
(back) Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385 - real prices From: "Harry Grove" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 07:42:20 +0100   I've looked-up the UK price from their brochure and this model (Q385 - 80 speaking stops over 3 manuals and pedal) is 'listed' as [Pounds Stirling] = =A3 49,950 - as from July 2004, but catalogue only recently received.   Putting this figure into a currency converter produces the figure [US Dollars] $ 91,301.96   And the prices quoted are ex-VAT (i.e. without sales tax .. Value Added = Tax) Such taxes are often recoverable by charities and churches as expenses in their 'good works'.   Are these the sorts of figures which you are talking about ?   Harry Grove [a.k.a. a musicman who was considering a purchase of this sort] __________________________________________-   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Nijhuis" <nijhuis.jan@gmail.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: Re: Cost of Allen Quantum Q385     There has to be an MSRP ...   what the customer pays is something entirely different, of course.   [snip]    
(back) Subject: Re: An enigma wrapped in a mystery - OESA From: "Jorge Gomez" <qvixotes@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 10:40:20 +0200 (CEST)   There are photos of the Walcker organ in Montjuich (Barcelona-Spain) in an organist handbook from "Hugo Riemann" edited in the beginning of XX century, showing the console of this organ with 5 manuals.   OESA is the acronym for "Organer=EDa Espa=F1ola", a basque company that worked in Spain in the past century. This company built or reformed a lot of organs in Spain. Some of the former employees of this company founded their own workshop and are working nowadays.   Best regards   Jorge Gomez       ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m=E1s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es