PipeChat Digest #5374 - Saturday, May 28, 2005
 
Re: 5th manuals-Keates-Geissler
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Glenda's fatal gallery
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
This week's MP3 - Schroeder Prelude and Fugue on Christ lag in Todesbande
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
RE: Glenda's fatal gallery - questions
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Tempo and the Bach B Minor P/F
  by "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com>
Re: Tempo and the Bach B Minor P/F
  by "Beau Surratt" <surrattorg@gmail.com>
Some more Network Changes
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Dead organ after church   part 2
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Dead organ after church   part 2
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: Dead organ after church   part 2
  by "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com>
Re: Tempo and the music of Bach
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Dead organ after church   part 2
  by <rredman@imagin.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: 5th manuals-Keates-Geissler From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 07:10:40 EDT   In a message dated 5/27/2005 1:02:31 PM Central Standard Time, ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes:   I take it he was their "pull the wool over their eyes" swindler = salesman.       You've got it! How many ways can you spell j-a-i-l? Actually, I'm not sure if he really was their salesman, but he did "front" = for them. The m.o. was that he would offer to make a sizeable donation to = a local church with the proviso that Keates-Geissler was selected as the = builder. Also, he offered the pipes of a big casavant from some hotel or something-or-other in Canada, too. Big I know this was discussed before = and available if you want to dig through the PIPORG-L archives. Darryl  
(back) Subject: Glenda's fatal gallery From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:13:49 EDT   Peachtree Christian Church has both a front and a rear gallery so that = would double the possibilities. The front gallery houses the Austin console = that controls the Pilcher organ and the rear gallery is home to the Ruffatti = organ that was rebuilt 8 or 9 years ago by Guzowski and Steppe including a new = console to control both instruments. Formerly they were to separate organs. In = the last year or so, Walker Technical as added a lot of digital to the = Ruffatti, but I've not heard it since then.   The gothic styled church has some of the most beautiful windows in the Southeast. Do a Google search for their website, because you can see a = lot of these features on the website. It's worth a trip back there--I think it might = be the location you want for your book.     Monty  
(back) Subject: This week's MP3 - Schroeder Prelude and Fugue on Christ lag in Todesbandedn From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 06:28:18 -0700   *Greetings!   I'm continuing my reposts of files from past years since many of you have written to say you didn't get them the first time(!)   This time it's Hermann Schroeder's *Prelude and Fugue on =93Christ lag in Todesbanden=94 which owes a bit of a debt to the spirit of Max Reger, with =   some chromatic harmony and thick chord structure. It is a fine piece, but does not have quite the same sound and feel as his later works. The Prelude starts out with a pedal solo and a dense harmonization of the first line of the Chorale tune, giving way to a more transparent texture of running 16th notes in the manuals, which accompanies periodic entrances of the chorale theme in the pedals. As might be expected, the fugue subject turns out to be counterpoint to the Chorale melody, which appears in octaves towards the end of the fugue at the stretto. * http://tinyurl.com/82hhc   Enjoy! *   -- Jonathan Orwig Evensong Music, Media and Graphics New Organ and Choral Music http://www.evensongmusic.net    
(back) Subject: RE: Glenda's fatal gallery - questions From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:25:08 -0500   Thanks, Monty. Actually, Peachtree Christian Church is on the list for the next trip - my friend thought it would work, after I assured him I was not necessarily looking for Gothic or spooky. I've seen a not-so-great px of the rear gallery (on the church's web site), and it has promise. The gallery window may be too big and let too much light in.   It's funny - I have tried to locate the source for my mental picture of this gallery. The way to get to it is somewhat like the circuitous route we took to get up to the St. Ignatius NYC gallery. The organ is not as beautiful as the Mander, and probably about 10-15 ranks or more less in size. The console sits about the middle of the gallery (like St. James in Fairhope), and the gallery is not deep, but there is floor space between the console and the balustrade. This reminds me of the Cathedral of St. Andrew in Little Rock, if I recall correctly. The student is playing the Franck A-minor Chorale, which would probably be easier to register on a number of organs. A marksman could actually shoot the organist from the floor level, so the organist has to be seen, at least the upper third of his torso. The walls are not white - it is dark, particularly when the lights are off. And there is a huge chandelier over the gallery - we know what happens to it - crash, bang, fizzle.   Thank God for fiction, although it would be nice to use real sites and organs. When I find the right one, I will modify my scene to fit it. It is the same with the people - I have mental pictures of them, but none is anyone I know. That works to my advantage.   Two questions: are there any candidates in the Atlanta outlying environs for exploding drawknobs that I should visit? And what style of service do the Disciples of Christ at Peachtree Christian enjoy? A description would help, if anyone knows.   Thanks. Gotta do my chores and get ready to drive to P'cola for my first of three RC gigs this weekend.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RMB10@aol.com   Peachtree Christian Church has both a front and a rear gallery so that would double the possibilities. The front gallery houses the Austin console that controls the Pilcher organ and the rear gallery is home to the Ruffatti organ that was rebuilt 8 or 9 years ago by Guzowski and Steppe including a new console to control both instruments. Formerly they were to separate organs. In the last year or so, Walker Technical as added a lot of digital to the Ruffatti, but I've not heard it since then.          
(back) Subject: Re: Tempo and the Bach B Minor P/F From: "Desiree'" <nicemusica@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:04:54 -0700 (PDT)   Thank you all for your comments. All are very good. The reason I asked about tempo and the B Minor was to see simply: How fast = (or slow) do you like to hear the work? I do not expect to have the tempo = mastered in a weeks time. I like hearing this pieces at about the same = tempi that Karl Moyer mentioned. Of course, In learning the piece, I'm going to sit down at an 8' flute = using slow practice,drilling over the spots that are difficult, and even = going to the most dificult section of the work first. When it comes = tolearning pieces, I learned from a masterclass once that one does not = always have to start at the begining. That was one of the most helpful = comments ever. I do like Tim Grenz's idea of a page at a time. I get more = covered learning one page at a time.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
(back) Subject: Re: Tempo and the Bach B Minor P/F From: "Beau Surratt" <surrattorg@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:05:40 -0500   Hi! Thanks, Desiree, for clarifying why you asked the question about the Bach B Minor. I assumed as much- that you simply thought it might be interesting to discuss tempo as it relates to the piece. Of course, hopefully all of us know that we have to consider the room and such when we choose a tempo for a piece, but I think most of us have a general tempo at which we "prefer" to hear pieces played. This is not to say that we might hear a piece in a particularly big and reverberant room and like the tempo because it is appropriate, but I just think we each have sort of instictive tempos at which pieces seem to sound best to us.   Though I don't yet play this piece, I will mention that I enjoy very much Joan Lippincott's recording of this piece on her preludes and fugues album recorded on the Fritts at Pacific Lutheran University. (Gothic Records) Her tempo seems to me to work well for the piece in general as well as with the room and her articulations and use of rhythm make the piece very exciting (as if it weren't enough already!)   As for Monty's comment about waiting to work on literature with your professor, I would certainly sugguest that you should go ahead and work on learning the notes. And why not discuss tempo and other performance with some of the more seasoned colleagues and mentors on the list? In my college experience, my teachers have been pleased when I already had some background knowledge and thoughts about a piece- it shows that you are interested in pursuing the most well-rounded performance you can, having considered as many of the performance questions as you can. It also gives your future professor something to work with. I had much rather have a student that has discussed Bach performance practice before coming to me than not- in this way I would be less likely to explain a concept and get that "deer in the headlights" look when someone has no idea of what you're speaking of.   When I first start to learn a piece, while I do work slowly and meticulously like everyone has mentioned, I also try to "immerse" myself in the piece- I like to listen to recordings and discuss tempos and other performance issues even before I've started to learn the notes. It gives one something to work towards and, I think, leaves you in the end having had more exposure to the piece and knowing it more intimately.   So, to close.   At this early stage in learning a piece, performance tempo is of significance. Learn as much as you can about the piece as early as you can. Just don't let that get in the way of careful, slow practice.   Beau  
(back) Subject: Some more Network Changes From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:22:13 -0500   The final part of the network changes here at PipeChat,Org will be taking place tomorrow morning while I move the mail and list servers from the old network to the new one. During this period most mail and list server services will be down for a short period. All of this will start somewhere between 6 and 7 AM CENTRAL time - depending on when I get up and have had enough coffee to be alert enough to do the changes to the servers involved. At this point I am going to guess that it will take an hour or two. And I will send out a message when it is all finished as a test to make sure everything is working OK.   If for some reason you do send a posting to one of the lists during this time frame it may be delayed a bit by the changes but will eventually find its way to the list and get distributed.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Dead organ after church part 2 From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 14:44:06 -0500   HI list, I found that the fuse in the Astron rectifer had blown. I put a new one in of the same size (5amp) and it blew again. Now what? I wonder if we need a new rectifer? Thanks, Gary    
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ after church part 2 From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:38:18 -0400   Hi Gary, Not until the wiring down stream of the rectifier has been checked out. The blown fuse indicates it is experiencing a serious if not "dead" short circuit, but that short can be anywhere within the organ's internal wiring as well. Since the rectifier is the source for the organ action's power, that is the proper location for the fuse. This can be checked easily and safely by disconnecting the the load from the rectifier and trying it again with a new fuse. If the fuse does not blow then, it is the organ wiring at fault. If it still blows, then the problem is within the rectifier. Hope this helps Mike Gettelman   GB wrote:   >HI list, I found that the fuse in the Astron rectifer had blown. I put = a >new one in of the same size (5amp) and it blew again. Now what? I = wonder >if we need a new rectifer? Thanks, Gary > > > > > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ after church part 2 From: "GB" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:48:07 -0500   Oh great. the organ is a 1946 Wicks. all of that wiring in there. = Thanks guys Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Dead organ after church part 2     > Hi Gary, > Not until the wiring down stream of the rectifier has been checked > out. The blown fuse indicates it is experiencing a serious if not "dead" > short circuit, but that short can be anywhere within the organ's > internal wiring as well. Since the rectifier is the source for the organ > action's power, that is the proper location for the fuse. > This can be checked easily and safely by disconnecting the the load > from the rectifier and trying it again with a new fuse. If the fuse does > not blow then, it is the organ wiring at fault. If it still blows, then > the problem is within the rectifier. > Hope this helps > Mike Gettelman > > GB wrote: > > >HI list, I found that the fuse in the Astron rectifer had blown. I = put a > >new one in of the same size (5amp) and it blew again. Now what? I wonder > >if we need a new rectifer? Thanks, Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> >    
(back) Subject: Re: Tempo and the music of Bach From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:07:25 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I have a general theory about Bach's organ music. It should be played as slowly as a building will allow; but obviously within reason.   My reason for saying this is the relatively different rates at which people speak and hear...in this case, play and hear.   I'm only stating the obvious, but Mr.Bach's music is quite complicated, and for the counterpoint to make the slightest sense, it needs to be heard, comprehended and enjoyed for what it is. When performing music, we have the benefit of prior knowledge, long term involvement with the dots and, as a consequence, we have a certain familiarity with what is actually going on. We also, in most cases, have the visual cues in front of our eyes. Thus, our enjoyment of complex counterpoint (even that of Reger) can be personally comprehended and enjoyed at quite a reckless pace.....as performers.....a bit like "speed reading" for academics.   Now take away the dots, and place us in a room as a listener. Suddenly, we are denied the usually visual cues, and have to rely on what we hear. If what we hear is faster than the speed at which we can comprehend, then the music dies a death.   This is the equivalent to an academic going to see a play rather than speed-reading the script.......the cues are different, and the speed of delivery becomes critical to comprehension and enjoyment.   However, it is not just speed which is the over-riding factor in Bach (or Reger), but voice-leading and the use of rubato playing, where there can be considerable "give and take" in the phrasing, but within a strict overall regularity.   If there are two types of Brandenburg Concertii I hate more than anything else, it those which thump along like a diesel engine, with a conductor who follows the pompous "Lully" conducting method, with a big metronome stick and a gigantic emphasis on every first beat of every bar!!!!   The other is the "balls out" rush to get to the finish before the bar closes....just an incomprehensible riot of sound.   Returning to the subject of tempii, we should be aware of the fact that J S Bach did NOT write his music for the great, cavernous acoustic of the great gothic cathedrals, but for the more intimate acoustic of churches like St.Thomas, Leipzig, which is nicely resonant rather than hugely so. In fact, when taken at quite a canter, it is possible to hear every word of a complex Bach Cantata when sung by the wonderful choir at Leipzig.   However, if we ARE faced with a huge acoustic, then we must slow things down to the point whereby the music becomes first of all comprehensible, but which secondly, retains a sense of drive and purpose.   If we face a "dead" acoustic, then things may be speeded up, but never beyond the pace at which a listener can comprehend the music.   My best advice would be to record one's own playing, and then listen to it. If it sounds wrong, or too fast, or too slow......go back and try again.   Above all, Bach should flow.....or is that "Streaming Bach?"   Regards,   Colin MItchell UK                     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Dead organ after church part 2 From: <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 13:51:19 -0500 (CDT)   >Call your organ technician! Roy Redman   HI list, I found that the fuse in the Astron rectifer had blown. I put = a > new one in of the same size (5amp) and it blew again. Now what? I = wonder > if we need a new rectifer? Thanks, Gary > > > ****************************************************************** > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > List-Subscribe: <mailto:pipechat-on@pipechat.org> > List-Digest: <mailto:pipechat-digest@pipechat.org> > List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:pipechat-off@pipechat.org> > >